Talk:Members of the 1st Dáil

UK Parliament and 1st Dáil constituencies
All the constituencies in Ireland, used for the 1918 general election, have the dual character of being UK Parliament constituencies and Dáil constituencies. I have set up stub articles for all the UK Parliament constituencies in Ireland 1801-1922 and I am gradually filling up the contents. I have done most of the Dublin seats so far.

I presume we really need seperate articles for each kind of constituency. The information is likely to be similar, at least for those seats which were newly created in 1918, but not absolutely identical. Trying to combine both kinds of seat in one constituency article is going to cause confusion.

It is no doubt a little artificial to have say Dublin Clontarf (UK Parliament constituency), when its Sinn Féin MP never went to Westminster and Antrim East (Dáil Éireann constituency) when the Unionist TD would have wanted nothing to do with the Dáil. However I do not see a way around it. Each person elected had the choice of which body he or she joined, so every area was a potential constituency for both bodies.

I will attempt to convert my Dublin Parliament articles to Dáil ones. I see the Oireachtas web-site list of 1st Dáil members puts compass points after county names, instead of before (which was the official way the UK referred to county divisions). I will therefore follow this Irish source for the Dáil constituency articles. I am less keen on putting the name of borough divisions in brackets after the borough name, so I will not do that. I will follow the Oireachtas in which seats should have City or County after the name. There were fewer opportunities for confusion in 1918 than in earlier distributions of seats, so that should not be too controversial. --Gary J 23:36, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

By-elections
There were a number of by-elections for seats in Ireland during the 1918-22 UK Parliament. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Kingdom_by-elections_(1918%E2%80%931931)#31st_Parliament_.281919.E2.80.931922.29

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 * colspan=9|
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31st Parliament (1919–1922)
!By-election !! Date !! Incumbent !! colspan=2 | Party !! Winner !! colspan=2 | Party !! Cause
 * North Down
 * 21 July 1922
 * Henry Hughes Wilson
 * John Morrow Simms
 * Death
 * North Londonderry
 * 4 June 1922
 * Hugh Thom Barrie
 * Malcolm Macnaghten
 * Death
 * North Down
 * 21 February 1922
 * Thomas Watters Brown
 * Henry Hughes Wilson
 * Appointed to the High Court of Northern Ireland
 * - bgcolor=pink
 * West Down
 * 17 February 1922
 * Thomas Browne Wallace
 * Hugh Hayes
 * Appointed Chief Clerk to the High Court of Northern Ireland
 * South Londonderry
 * 18 January 1922
 * Robert Chichester
 * Sir William Hacket Pain
 * Death
 * South Londonderry
 * 29 August 1921
 * Denis Henry
 * Robert Chichester
 * Appointed Lord Chief Justice of Northern Ireland
 * Mid Down
 * 2 July 1921
 * James Craig
 * Robert Sharman-Crawford
 * Elected Prime Minister of Northern Ireland
 * Mid Armagh
 * 23 June 1921
 * James Rolston Lonsdale
 * Henry Bruce Armstrong
 * Death
 * Belfast Duncairn
 * 23 June 1921
 * Edward Carson
 * Thomas Edward McConnell
 * Appointed Lord of Appeal in Ordinary
 * North Down
 * 23 June 1921
 * Thomas Watters Brown
 * Thomas Watters Brown
 * Appointed Solicitor-General for Ireland
 * West Down
 * 23 June 1921
 * Daniel Martin Wilson
 * Thomas Browne Wallace
 * Appointed Recorder of Belfast
 * Dublin University
 * 28 July 1919
 * Arthur Warren Samuels
 * William Morgan Jellett
 * Appointed to the Irish High Court
 * - bgcolor="#c0c0c0"
 * East Antrim
 * 27 May 1919
 * Robert Chaine Alexander McCalmont
 * George Boyle Hanna
 * Unionist
 * Appointed Commander of the Irish Guards
 * North Londonderry
 * 4 March 1919
 * Hugh Alfred Anderson
 * Hugh Thom Barrie
 * Resignation
 * }
 * North Down
 * 23 June 1921
 * Thomas Watters Brown
 * Thomas Watters Brown
 * Appointed Solicitor-General for Ireland
 * West Down
 * 23 June 1921
 * Daniel Martin Wilson
 * Thomas Browne Wallace
 * Appointed Recorder of Belfast
 * Dublin University
 * 28 July 1919
 * Arthur Warren Samuels
 * William Morgan Jellett
 * Appointed to the Irish High Court
 * - bgcolor="#c0c0c0"
 * East Antrim
 * 27 May 1919
 * Robert Chaine Alexander McCalmont
 * George Boyle Hanna
 * Unionist
 * Appointed Commander of the Irish Guards
 * North Londonderry
 * 4 March 1919
 * Hugh Alfred Anderson
 * Hugh Thom Barrie
 * Resignation
 * }
 * George Boyle Hanna
 * Unionist
 * Appointed Commander of the Irish Guards
 * North Londonderry
 * 4 March 1919
 * Hugh Alfred Anderson
 * Hugh Thom Barrie
 * Resignation
 * }
 * Hugh Thom Barrie
 * Resignation
 * }
 * }
 * }

In Republican theory, were those elected at by-elections prior to the dissolution of the First Dail in May 1921 considered members/potential members of the Dail, in the same way as those elected to the same constituencies at the 1918 election had been? Presumably, when Patrick McGilligan of Sinn Fein fought the North Londonderry by=election on 4th March 1919 (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Londonderry_(UK_Parliament_constituency)#Elections), he would have elected to sit in the Dail if he had been successful?

If so, would it make sense to add those who won by-elections prior to that dissolution as potential members of the Dail? Alekksandr (talk) 15:09, 6 May 2012 (UTC)