Talk:Mercedes-Benz W124

wagons
why so many station wagons??? this does not properly represent the w124. most w124s were sedans, and wagons were rare. somebody please take these wagons down to maybe 1 picture max, and put up some sedans to properly represent what the w124 really was. im thinking somebody, perhaps biased against mercedes, put up all these wagons..........


 * HI in addition to the above post I was reading this page as I own a 300CE and i was upset. it is obvious that this page has been biasedly attacked because I have only seen maybe one 124 wagon in my life and I've been driving a 124 since 1989. i see MANY 124s a day here in honolulu but never a wagon. whoever wrote this page must know a lot of rich old moms back in the day i guess —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.235.55.96 (talk) 01:29, 10 December 2009 (UTC)


 * In fairness, the W124 wagon with diesel (turbo and NA) engines were THE car for the traveling salesman in Europe. Them, and the Volvos. Which is the reason why you see relatively few of them, there, now: most passed 200k km by the time their lease expired... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.41.58.132 (talk) 14:09, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Question
is the OM603 based TD's year correct? It says 87, but chassis codes &c seem to point to it being more likely as being a 19*97*

Comment: In the first paragraph of History, the phrase "the last in a long line of "money-no-object" Mercedes saloons" is argumentive, because I do not think that everyone would agree with it. Consequently, I do not think it meets the requirement for a neutral point of view. I recognize that there is a lot of opinion among Mercedes Benz fans that the marque "is not what it used to be." But that conclusion is arguable, and even those who agree with it might disagree on when the "good cars" were last produced. I have heard some folks say that the last of the really good cars was in the early 1970s, for example. Davidb0229 21:21, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Some W124 have same color tone from Interior layout to Exterior paint jobs while some aren't. Why? For Example, my W124 is green, and the interior is green as well.

It would be helpful to also define the difference between SD and SDL line of the same model car. This is not clear in the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.210.1.190 (talk) 01:07, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

European models
Comment: This article does not cover the European market 4-cylinder E200, E220 and E230 models. http://www.w124.co.uk/modelrange.html gives a good summary of the models available in the UK


 * Good point. The article also doesn't include the E280 (2.8L I6).  I would add this information to the article but I don't know the engine codes.  Could someone do this?Davez621 10:28, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The 2.8 L and 3.2 L I6 engines used in W124 are basically M103 engines with DOHC cylinder heads and four valves per cylinder. The DOHC versions go under codes M104.xxx. The first M104 engine was the "300E-24" (M104.980) which is equipped with the Bosch KE-Jetronic fuel injection system and a traditional distributor for the ignition. The later 2.8 L and 3.2 L engines have Siemens-VDO (or alternatively, if my memory serves correctly, the Bosch Motronic) electronic fuel injection and direct ignition which fires cylinders 1 and 6, 2 and 5, and 3 and 4, simultaniously. The 16-valve M111 (1.8-2.3 L) I4 engine was derived from the M104. Quite a lot of engine codes and power ratings can be dug out of the Mann-Filter Catalogue. -- 82.181.205.83 23:47, 9 February 2007 (UTC) [mailto:archyx@pp.htv.fi Archyx]

AMG E60
Why no information about this model? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 139.168.40.126 (talk) 17:06, 11 December 2006 (UTC).

The nickname "Hammer" is incorrectly attributed to the E500/500E Model. The actual "Hammer" was the 1987 Mercedes 300E AMG that came with a 5.5 or optional 6.0 liter 32-valve V8. More information can be acquired here:

http://www.fantasycars.com/sedans/HTML/mercedes_300e_amg_hammer_w124.html or here

http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=30163

I want to know the exact model of mercedes-bebz
I want to know the exact model of mercedes-benz 230E its chassis code is wdb1240231a231268 Thank you for your help, you can send the answer also at my email : naguitawfik@hotmail.com —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.213.63.89 (talk) 09:27, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

I would like to see a section on the standard problems of this series. I have a 1993 300TE (3.2L) and have had most of the standard issues. The slow oil leak with the M104 engine (although all the data I can gather recommends NOT repairing it) as well as the far too expensive engine wiring harness replacement, which is a MB defect and should be recalled (wire insulation degrades when exposed to heat). Overall this is a fine auto and I find myself opting to keep it everytime I look at a W210 or W211. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.111.234.144 (talk) 13:48, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Production after 1995?
There seem to be a few W124s in Ireland imported from somewhere which seem to be much newer than the suggested end of production. Here's an example: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055966639 (ad: http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1426113) Judging by the registration the car was either imported into the country unregistered in 2001 or if it was a used import it must have been first registered in its country of origin in 2001. The suggestions that it's from India don't seem to be correct as they were only sold there from 1995-1997. Anyone know where these are coming from? As people have noted there, the rear axle position on that example looks weird, and the suspension is quite high suggesting it was intended for some developing country. --Zilog Jones (talk) 12:24, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Regarding 1996 Made in India W124
Hello,

I have trying to get some info related to a Merc made in India in the year 1996. According to its registration papers it has 4 cylinders with 2499 cc and a wheelbase of 2464 and unladen weight of 1510. The Chassis is WDB 1241266C28XXXX and the Engine no is 60591120 039XXX. It right now has Michelin 195/65/R15 on them. Its a W124 250D, but according to Wikipedia there is absolutely no information available related to this engine type and chassis type and the other details are also different like the cc, wheelbase etc.,

Could some one help me out with regards to the reviews and maintenance and running costs of this car. Would also appreciate the best places for buying OE spares and some good information related to mechanics here. You could write to me at sispahani@gmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.169.145.44 (talk) 11:24, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

W124... the most perfect Mercedes ever built?
I consider the W124 the most perfect Mercedes that they ever built. It was the last car they designed without any cost considerations (insanely-expensive-to-manufacture but fabulous jumping windshield wiper comes to mind). Take off a door card in the W124 to replace a window winder motor - a situation that you will never have to do, ever - and you will find that the door panel is finished as beautifully on the inside as on the outside. I don't think Merc makes cars like that any more. And the design, by Bruno Sacco, is just so handsome.

W124 Timeline
The timeline is very important regarding the W124 and needs to be sorted out, as the car was revealed in November 1984 and media reveal occurred on November 26, 1984 in Sevilla, Spain. However, there is a major difference between media being shown pre-production models and some press information, against an actual car being available at a dealership or purchasable by a customer. Like the W201 190 until early 1983, no one in this world ever owned a W124 until January 1985 at the very least. Thus, this car was NOT released in 1984. The first production units were not available January 1985 for Western Europe, North America until November 1985 for the 1986 model year. I believe this is important, as it has been a rather tall tale out of forgetful ignorance, that the W124 was of availability in 1984, merely because MB unveiled it at the end of that calendar year. Similar goes for the W201 and W126 S in some aspects. This equally applies to the happenstance, where people mix-up and/or misinterpret model years (which is believe it-or-not a globally utilised form of marketing, just less-so or more-so depending on market) and keep erroneously claiming, the W124 was withheld from the USA until the 1986 calendar year, never mind the reality, USA export specification production began in July 1985 for Nov 1985 launch, following global November 1984 SOP. Similar for the W210 on November 8, 1995, following SOP in July 1995. A norm or rule-of-thumb should be established in consensus, that typically model production is staggered 1.5 to 4 months before from market launch date. Ordering a car or placing a deposit, is NOT the same as taking delivery of a factory assembled unit (based on KDM Hyundai/Kia/Genesis articles, plus domestic EU MB and BMW). Thus, even if customer orders were being taken in November and December 1984, it doesn't equate to ownership and taking delivery. Also, model years are typically dated the year after a car goes on sale. It gets tiring to be fixing such minor errors between the lines, when it is an obviously recurring industry template (2019 models going on sale in 2018). Only rare is the case of Lexus releasing their 2018 LS500 in February 2018. Even in other non-US markets, model years are followed in the case of post-September releases (even if the most ardent opponents of this feel otherwise). Just because the 300E was branded a 1986 model in North America, doesn't mean it was not available until 1986. It should be obvious it was released in 1985 (early Nov to be exact), just as other W124s were available months earlier in 1985. Personally, I am making it my mission to ensure every car article on Wikipedia has a strongly defined and well summarized timeline, to add to informativeness. I want to open discussion on whether the timeline for the W124 should be based on either, start of production (November 1, 1984), media reveal date (November 26, 1984), or market launch date in January 1985. The model life cycle start is split between 1984 and 1985, based on the above.--Carmaker1 (talk) 05:05, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Gallery
added an additional gallery, which broke up the page and created tons of whitespace. I guess this gallery is meant to show three bodystyles, but these are already amply illustrated in the several other galleries across this page. The additional gallery appears mostly redundant to me. Thank you,  Mr.choppers &#124;   ✎  13:39, 1 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Not sure when the formatting broke. If you look at my 2022‎-2-1 version, the placement of the gallery doesn't create the weird dead space that appears later. Showing images of the various models in the "models" section is worthwhile, but I agree most of the later galleries are unnecessary since they don't provide any new insight. Bretbmorgan (talk) 04:51, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Changed mid-size to executive
The European market, especially the British market does not typically use the term "mid-size" to refer to cars between C-segment and F-segment, with "D" and "E" in-between. Generally it's either a "large family car" or a "executive car". And what's worse is that the "mid-size" in the W124's page category does not even include the word "luxury". In fact, the W124 was a more expensive car than the E34 which is considered by Wikipedia (and accepted by the moderation team) to be an executive car. The W124's predecessor W123 and successor W210 are also executive cars. It makes much more sense to call the W124 an executive car. I provided a reference on the page. A standard mid-size car is something like a Ford Sierra or an Opel Vectra. 2600:6C50:4000:27D0:64A4:662A:75FB:9413 (talk) 19:23, 17 February 2024 (UTC)