Talk:Mercurius of Transylvania

Roman/Latin name
Any ideas behind the reasons for this Roman/Latin name name? Any connection to any Magyar name? --Codrin.B (talk) 07:48, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Contemporary sources (diplomas, charters) refer to him as "Mercurius". His Hungarian name is Merkúr. --Norden1990 (talk) 13:24, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The reason is the fact that medieval Latin was the language of administration. Fakirbakir (talk) 13:34, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Right, but what was his Magyar name, if he was a Magyar? Merkúr comes from Mercurius, not the other way around. --Codrin.B (talk) 11:21, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I have found an interesting source, unfortunately it is in Hungarian. According to this source there was a Benedict priest named Mercurius who took the Holy Right of St Stephen to Transylvania in 1061. However he was still alive in 1083 when he had to explain his action to others. Fakirbakir (talk) 12:26, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * That's an interetsing obesrvation. If he was a priest (it was quite common that high-ranked priest had large estates), that could explain the Latin name, as well. At least this shows that "Mercurius" was not an unprecedented name in that time. K &oelig;rte F  a   { ταλκ }  16:57, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, but this Mercurius served as voivode between 1111 and 1113, so he had to be very old for that time. Codrinb, Merkúr probably was also an old Hungarian name, like Leusták, Legforus or Écs (neither used nowadays). --Norden1990 (talk) 12:57, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Merkúr probably was also an old Hungarian name, like Leusták, Legforus or Écs - articles should not be based on personal thoughts Newnou (talk) 13:52, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I do not see the relevance whether "Mercurius"/"Merkúr" is an original Hungarian name. Even if it was, it would not prove for sure that he was ethnic Hungarian. And even if it was not, still an ethnic Hungarian could have this name. Or it could also be a Latinized variant of a name that did not have a clear Latin equivalent (and then "Merkúr" would be a wrong translation). But the name could also suggest, for example, that he had Italian ancestry. We simply do not know (as far as I know). Therefore, the safest is to link the Nobility in the Kingdom of Hungary article. Cheers, K &oelig;rte F  a   { ταλκ }  16:57, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * PS: An interesting fact that the first newspaper of Hungary was called "Mercurius Hungaricus", thought it was published centuries later, hence, not that relevant here. K &oelig;rte F  a   { ταλκ }  16:57, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

There is no "Mercurio comes Bellegratae",
The article states: "A source from 1097[which?] also mentions a "Mercurio comes Bellegratae". There is no such mention: Gaufredus Malaterra in his "De rebus gestis Rogerii Calabriae et Siciliae" mentions "Vincurius, comes Bellegratae". László Makkai speculated that this Vincurius can be the same person with "Mercurius princeps Ultrasilvanus", and from this speculation the "Mercurio comes Bellegratae" monstruosity aroused... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sattila (talk • contribs) 20:45, 4 January 2017 (UTC)