Talk:Mercury in fiction

What is the Distinction Between Old and New Mercury?
I'm not understanding what the distinction is between "Old Mercury" and "New Mercury". It seems there is a split in the 1960s, but I don't know what event transpired that creates this distinction. -Thunderforge (talk) 06:11, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
 * In the introduction to the page, it explains that the "Old Mercury" was considered tidally locked to the sun, and had one face permanently exposed and one face permanently in night. PaulWay (talk) 23:13, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 29 November 2017

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) Mahveotm (talk) 12:14, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Mercury in fiction → Mercury (planet) in fiction – Disambiguation and consistency with Category:Mercury (planet) in fiction and Mercury (planet) 165.91.13.72 (talk) 23:22, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
 * This is a contested technical request (permalink). --  Alex TW 23:35, 29 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Support per nomination. Mercury is a disambiguation page with numerous entries. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 02:05, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Reverse vote to Oppose per examples submitted by Randy Kryn, below: Venus in fiction, Jupiter in fiction, etc. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 15:21, 30 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Oppose – I don't see why disambiguation is needed in this case. Are there other mercuries relevant to fiction? If disambiguation is desired, why not something more natural, such as Planet Mercury in fiction?  Dicklyon (talk) 02:48, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Support move to Planet Mercury in fiction to remove ambiguity. The element mercury does sometimes show up as a significant element in fiction, so clarity is needed, and natural disambiguation is to be preferred over parenthetical disambiguation. 64.105.98.115 (talk) 05:05, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Dicklyon and per in-site consistency. There are pages for Venus in fiction, Jupiter in fiction, Mars in fiction, Neptune in fiction, Pluto in fiction etc. even though these are names of major gods and goddesses as well as relating to other topics. There is even a relevant template Astronomical locations in fiction. This present name seems fine and meets the WP criteria for titles, and none of these names are confusing to readers and thus not in need of a descriptor. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:23, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose Until such time as a Mercury (element) in fiction or Mercury (mythology) in fiction page is created and a disambiguation would be required.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 13:07, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
 * If moving then better to Planet Mercury in fiction In ictu oculi (talk) 00:03, 1 December 2017 (UTC)


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Pass-by comments by CactiStaccingCrane (talk)
Hello! I have some feedback on the article as well, which I would share below: That's it for now. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 12:48, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I see no depiction of mining Mercury for constructing Dyson spheres. I think there might be more information about that
 * Having an image in early depictions section is nice, since these graphics has been in public domain
 * A brief introduction to the planet would be awesome
 * There may be more information about turning Mercury into a Dyson sphere, but none of the sources I've found discuss that in a fiction context (though a quick Google search turns up quite a few webpages about it as a thought experiment), and it would probably be undue to add more than a brief sentence about it if such a source were to be found, since we're supposed to cover the different aspects of the topic in WP:PROPORTION to their coverage in published reliable sources on the topic. I've tried to find appropriate images to add, but without success so far I'm afraid. I've added that Mercury is the planet closest to the Sun, and there is of course a link to the article on the planet itself: Mercury (planet). TompaDompa (talk) 23:19, 14 December 2021 (UTC) transcluded by reviewer:: --Whiteguru (talk) 05:19, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @CactiStaccingCrane We need to consider whether the topic has been discussed in RS. For example, while I was working on Earth in fiction, I noticed a number of aspects that I think should be discussed but were not (in RS covering this topic). Sadly, I could not add them to the article b/c they'd represent my OR views on this topic. Incidentally, Earth could also be dismantled... and has been, in some works of fiction - but no source I used touched upon this (unless we count Hitchhiker's Guide, I guess... :P ). I concur with images. Not sure if we need to summarize what Mercury really is in depth, although working in a sentence or three early on for context makes sense. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 11:17, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * My opinion is that the resources should be focus on Solar System in fiction first, since this has way more sources than individual planets. After the article get, splitting them to individual articles would be much better. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 12:07, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Huh? Solar System in fiction has no sources whatsoever. Moreover, the main sources I've consulted treat the planets separately (mostly, at least). Anyway, do either of you have any particular suggestions about what images to add? TompaDompa (talk) 01:34, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Some missing material
https://www.universetoday.com/130109/how-do-we-colonize-mercury/ lists several more recent works, most notably a whole series by Kim Stanley Robinson including The Memory of Whiteness, which includes the same concept "cities that move to stay in the sunrise area" that is here instead credited to later work by Stross. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:17, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The source seems to be saying that the moving city concept didn't appear until the 2012 novel 2312, no? Mercury also serves as a location in many of Kim Stanley Robinson's novels and short stories. These include The Memory of Whiteness (1985), Blue Mars (1996), and 2312 (2012), in which Mercury is the home to a vast city called Terminator. To avoid the harmful radiation and heat, the city rolls around the planet's equator on tracks, keeping pace with the planet's rotation so that it stays ahead of the Sun. [...] Charles Stross' 2008 novel Saturn’s Children involves a similar concept to Robinson's 2312, where a city called Terminator traverses the surface on rails, keeping pace with the planet's rotation. I don't get the impression from the source that those stories by Robinson are a series, and our articles don't seem to imply that either. Anyway, I'll expand the article somewhat. TompaDompa (talk) 07:19, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The moving city concept is in The Memory of Whiteness, which was published in 1985. The other KSR works use the same setting. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:33, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I see. I don't think the aim should necessarily be to include the earliest examples, but rather the most important ones (as evidenced by their presence in WP:Reliable sources on the topic), but I have at any rate added a mention of The Memory of Whiteness to the article. TompaDompa (talk) 21:56, 27 March 2022 (UTC)