Talk:Mercy for Animals/Archive 1

Other articles on Mercy for Animals
Herald-Journal Ikip (talk) 00:51, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 123 news articles on Mercy for Animals,
 * Google books 129 hits,
 * Google scholar.
 * Undercover videos show poultry mistreatment May 6, 2008 Los Angeles Times
 * Hen house tapes point to cruelty March 02, 2003 Toledo Blade
 * Grocers urged to reject eggs from Turner farm The Associated Press April 3, 2009
 * Mercy For Animals Releases Footage of Norco Egg Ranch in California L.A. Times, October 14, 2008.
 * Turkey Abusers Convicted of Cruelty in Landmark Case “The scenes show stomach-turning brutality.” - The New York Times
 * Beleaguered Megafarm Says Its Chicken Feed Follows Rules Associated Press, Casey Laughman, 05/31/03, history of organization.
 * Vegan Activists Have Egg On Their Face September 2, 2009 Center for Consumer Freedom, against MFA.
 * Allegations lead Denny's to suspend use of supplier May 23, 2007 THOMAS J. WOLFE
 * Footage of mistreated hens released in support of Proposition 2 Howard Blume, Los Angeles Times October 14, 2008


 * We need to demonstrate the group itself is notable, and write about them in their article. As it stands, it is simply a coat rack for "instantaneous euthanasia".  Rockpock  e  t  01:04, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Rockpocket, since you know a lot about notability, can you help me find sources to make this article notable. I look forward enthusiastically for your help. Ikip (talk) 03:06, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Needs sources covering the organisation. Presently this article fall foul of WP:NOTNEWS as it discusses a single news story and not the subject of the article. Tim Vickers (talk) 01:37, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you Mr. Vickers. I am adding sources now. Ikip (talk) 01:46, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That's Dr Vickers to you, young man. :) Tim Vickers (talk) 02:28, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Nominated 1 hour 1 minute after creation no WP:PRESERVE or WP:BEFORE effort by nominator. etc if necessaryIkip (talk) 02:21, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

About section

 * Using info from organization, per: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PETA#cite_note-about-1 Which has been on the page since 2005. Ikip (talk) 02:41, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Find more sources

 * Find Department of Agriculture statement. Ikip (talk) 03:48, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Funny as hell
The animal rights groups alarm the United Egg Producers, the industry trade group.

"I have seen these videotapes that are taken, and they're endangering the birds," said Ken Klippen, vice president of United Egg Producers. "The bird is in a resting stage. The lights are off, and when they flash those camera lights, it startles the birds, and they may harm themselves."

Ikip (talk) 03:49, 3 September 2009 (UTC)


 * What's even funnier is we let the activists get away with calling this infiltrations "investigations". We should send someone to dump a few mangled puppy corpses in Runkle's mansion and "investigate" his animal abuse tendencies.... — TheHerbalGerbil (TALK, 00:24, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

USA focus ?
This artivle speak about Mercy for Animals usa, but I know this org has now internatiinal branches, hence a more global focus should be used in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.81.227.247 (talk) 22:57, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Can you point to sources for those non-US branches? Thanks. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:27, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 14 March 2015

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The result of the move request was: not moved. No consensus. I was tempted to instead vote oppose on policy grounds as set out below, but I think it's a valid no-consensus close as is, so let's move on. Andrewa (talk) 16:03, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Mercy for Animals → Mercy For Animals – The title is not properly capitalized. The "F" in "for" should be caplitalized, ie. Mercy For Animals (abbreviated MFA). See the About page from organization official website to see it written in example: http://www.mercyforanimals.org/about-mfa.aspx 2602:306:CF8F:D180:1D9E:9321:16C6:6633 (talk) 14:51, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Support this seems non-controversial.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:57, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose per MOS:CT (prepositions containing four letters or fewer are not capitalized) and MOS:TM ("Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules, regardless of the preference of trademark owners"). –Chase (talk / contribs) 22:40, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The sources in the article favor the lowercase version. -- Calidum  05:47, 22 March 2015 (UTC)


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Requested move 27 March 2015

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Taken with the above discussion there is a clear consensus against the move at this time. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 10:31, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Mercy for Animals → Mercy For Animals – The official legal name of the organization has a capital "F", ie. Mercy For Animals, abbreviated M.F.A. This is the official, legal, registered name of this organization, regardless of common English capitalization rules or non-official articles and news reports. The official website is www.mercyforanimals.org, no other website can dictate the proper official spelling of the name. Thank you for your time. 76.89.216.228 (talk) 23:54, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * While MOS:CT indicates that conjunctions should not be capitalised I don't think that this would be a reason to oppose change. A bigger issue may be regular usage as shown in search (Raeford OR Runkle OR "CA 90046") AND "mercy for animals" AND mfa in books.  The charity presents itself as "MERCY FOR ANIMALS" which wouldn't be used.  While I strongly sympathise with the move request I hope, if it is opposed, a moratorium on moves can be put in place.  GregKaye 07:31, 28 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Support There is no compelling reason not to use the official name, IMO.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:15, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Official or not, WP:NCCAPS discourages capitalizing a short-worded preposition, like for. --George Ho (talk) 21:56, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Messrs. Kaye and Ho. Favonian (talk) 17:38, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose. This is exactly the sort of misguided nomination which the essay WP:official names specifically addresses. See the essay for clarification, and WP:article titles for the policy which all editors are urged, in many places including the box at the top of this RM and the instructions at WP:RM, to read before nominating or voting for a move, and on which the essay is of course based. No case to answer. Andrewa (talk) 10:12, 4 April 2015 (UTC)


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Capitalizing "For" to match organization title
I think we should revisit the earlier discussions about moving the page. The discussions seemed confused and misdirected. For proper nouns, Wikipedia consistently matches their casing, even if it is unconventional. Some people brought up WP:OFFICIALNAMES and WP:TITLE, but those say nothing directly pertaining to an organization named with upper case letters where title case would use lower case letters. Instead, it is my sense that these guidelines urge editors to focus on the criterion, "Article titles should be recognizable to readers, unambiguous, and consistent with usage in reliable English-language sources." To me, this indicates "Mercy For Animals" as the proper page title. What do you think? Jmill1806 (talk) 01:47, 9 September 2021 (UTC)