Talk:Merit pay

Reverted a series of edits due to WP:NPOV and probable WP:OR. From the material removed in the revert is an accusation against an Arizona state senator: "And, it seems, an awful lot of time editing these entries on Wikipedia." -- Dachannien TalkContrib 16:21, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Reversion by User:Greenfields
The edit I made to remove the large chunk of text was legitimate. It was not only poorly written for an encyclopedic context, but is also (as I have stated above) in violation of two of Wikipedia's most basic concepts, namely conforming to a neutral point of view and not putting forth original research. If you have reason to believe that the material I have removed should stay, please discuss it here rather than simply accusing me of vandalism. I have de-reverted my previous edit, because I truly believe not having that text here improves the article. -- Dachannien TalkContrib 01:29, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * User:Greenfields has also been actively editing (some would say damaging) the wikipedia page for John Huppenthal. Complaints by editors of that page also include POV editing. Copysan 03:55, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * He did it again --BenBurch 18:12, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

UK
This system is already implemented in the UK, although I believe it to be a "correctional" measure for teachers who have failed in some way to attain good results or improvement. If anyone knows where to find information on it, it would be a valuable addition to the article, both in its own right and to compare to the pros and cons of implementation in the USA. I will try to find some sources, although don't really know where to look. Similarly if it exists in other countries... Leushenko 23:21, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * This article might be useful it includes some references to historical use of merit pay (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/mar/27/schools-teaching) --194.247.82.76 (talk) 17:49, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Well in the absence of anyone's objections, I have added the Globalise tag to this article and a provisional mention that the system already exists in other countries. I will find sources and expand the article accordingly. I'd also suggest merging this with performance-related pay, as they are the same thing by different names (the latter is more common in Europe). Leushenko (talk) 02:20, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Proposal to add a section that discusses policy regarding merit pay utilizing proven economic techniques.
I would like to add a section that would promote policy regarding merit pay utilizing economic techniques such as loss aversion. Loss aversion has been tested by notable scholars and more recently by Dr. Roland Fryer and has shown positive behavior change of educators. This method of applying merit pay has worked better than other methods studied by Dr. Paul Peterson of Harvard University. I have been studying within the field of education and administration for the last 10 years and I hold a doctorate in Educational leadership and Administration from an accredited university in the U.S. I do not plan to add any independent research within this topic and will present my additions in a neutral and verifiable manner. Please let me know if there are any comments, suggestions, or objections to my intended addition. Fmerenda 15:22, 18 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Firstly, welcome to Wikipedia. Do have a look at the note I've just added to your User Talk page, and check out the links there. Probably the most pertinent guidelines in realtion to your question above are those you will find at WP:Reliable source. It's essential that material be sourced to quality material written by somebody else. HiLo48 (talk) 21:52, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the guidance! Fmerenda 02:49, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

In the absence of any objections I will begin to add a section regarding the above research utilizing loss aversion from behavioral economics to illustrate a policy that relies upon a specifically framed merit pay intervention. Fmerenda 04:00, 7 November 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fmerenda (talk • contribs)

Sorry - HiLo48 - thought the last name was Sander not Sanders.

Reasons for creation
In Spring 2014, I developed an entirely new sub-section on "Federal Government Merit Pay." The term "Merit Pay" is MUCH broader in application than simply "Teacher Pay." It has extensive meaning and application in both the private sector and public sector. Though I did not make that point directly, it was made implicitly by creating the new sub-section on "Federal Government Merit Pay."

This section was of extremely timely importance because -- at the time it was written -- the top domestic news story for over a month was the Veterans Health Administration scandal of 2014, at multiple medical facilities of the U.S. Dept. of Veterans Affairs, over employees falsifying patient waiting-time records to protect their eligibility for merit pay bonuses. The problem (still unfolding as of this writing) has already resulted in dozens of deaths, multiple investigations, the resignation of the Secretary of Veterans Affairs, and hasty Congressional legislation.

Overwhelmingly, the most-cited motivation for the misconduct is the VA's merit pay bonus system. At this time, then, it is important for that aspect of Merit Pay to be covered substantially by Wikipedia.

Accordingly, the sub-section was added; the section it is under (Political History...) was relabeled and re-organized; and the opening paragraph of the entire page was expanded to include this new sub-topic.

Zxtxtxz (talk) 12:37, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Possible Overlap with Other Wikipedia Entry: Pay-for-Performance (Federal Government)
The addition of "Federal Government Merit Pay" sub-section, as noted above, somewhat overlaps related subject material covered in another Wikipedia article, "Pay-for-Performance (Federal Government)," which I discovered AFTER having completed the aforemetioned addition to this "Merit Pay" wikipedia entry. There is room for debate about nomenclature, here, I suspect, and it might well be argued that "Pay-for-Performance" is a sub-topic of "Merit Pay," though the terms seem to be used somewhat interchangeably in the referenced professional, academic and government literature. At this point, it would be a large and awkward undertaking to try and merge the two entires -- partly becuase they seem to have reached fundamentally different interpretations of the subject, based on the very different sources cited, and perhaps because of bias (concious or otherwise) of one or both of the two different wiki contributors responsible.

The statements made in the two different topic presentations conflict on statements such as


 * "how it got started" ("Merit Pay" contributor cites Clinton/Gore 'Reinventing Government' initiative -- "Pay-for-Performance..." contributor cites Pres. Jimmy Carter.)


 * "whether it is in use in the federal gov't" ("Pay-for-Performance..." contributor says there is no nationwide federal system for such pay; "Merit Pay" contributor cites extensive government documentation and current news articles indicating widespread use of such pay.)

A contributor or editor with more time, and personal neutrality (spelled "i-n-d-i-f-f-e-r-e-n-c-e") on the issue, if available and willing to help, might be the best person to blend these two articles, and settle out their differences.

Zxtxtxz (talk) 13:17, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

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How a government defines "merit"
Kindly mention the fact that the there are 2 version of merits.

Similarly in a clerical job; the required qualities are listening to the common people visiting the clerk's office, bringing and sending necessary files, data entry, informing the vistors/clients about necessary information.
 * 1. Ideally: Merit is the ability to perform the specific job. Such as in a job for parcel packing, sense of geometry, good collaboration,  systematic arranging of things and good labeling is required.


 * 2. Practically : Merit means ability to score high in job selection process. Which may include: 1. Ability to memorise and recall millions of facts, curency names of countries, present and past presidents of countries, atheletic or spots champion names, important historical dates and events etc. 2. Ability to perform large calculations in mind and without calculators, 3. Writing some essays like role of a past political leader in certain revolution, and particularly for private jobs 4. Recalling some answers or protocols ditto as in notebook, 4. Ability to look clever and being able to use body language in the "HR round" or other interview.

Unfortunately there are no connection between the 2; and it comes within scope of failure of merit system and why it should be improved.

2405:204:4313:D858:C0BB:4B9D:95C6:A247 (talk) 18:32, 24 August 2019 (UTC)