Talk:Merlin (2008 TV series)/Archive 1

Merlin comes to Saturday nights on BBC one
I looks very likely that Merlin makes its premier on BBC one on Saturday 20th September. Possibly around the 7pm slot as Strickly Come Dancing also starts on that evening on BBC one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Onshore (talk • contribs) 21:23, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I was wondering if it's gonna be double parter for each story, like Sarah Jane Adventures and not Doctor Who. I'm watching right now ( yes it's the 20th ) and I don't want it to end before we find out who the scary witch is!!!!!!!!!!!! She's taken the form of a lady who's played by Eve Myles. Eve Myles AND Anthony Head AND Julie Gardner. Any of this sound familiar? Also are there are only four episodes? OH NO!!!!!!!!!! BBBOOOOOOO HHHHHHHHHOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.153.215.20 (talk) 19:16, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


 * What do you mean "only four episodes"? There are 13 episodes to be aired. magnius (talk) 19:59, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

WOOHOOO!!!!!!!!! But there were only four episodes on the episode page here. I guess you guys are just waiting for information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.155.125.159 (talk) 19:26, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

i was just wondering, are there only thirteen episodes in Merlin? Are there more coming up? oh, I sure hope so.
 * They've already started filming for series 2. So, yes, there will be more episodes. Rainchildai (talk) 17:38, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

started filming? so that means its still a long time before the series airs. Do you know when it'll come out? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.94.167.233 (talk) 12:50, 19 March 2009 (UTC)


 * It's not been announced yet. Official BBC site info. -- Ged UK  13:03, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Disputed sentence
has repeatedly added the following sentence

"The number of generations from one's grandparents down to one's children is four however."

My feeling is that, while the observation is true, picking at a minor error in a statement (made by BBC One Controller Peter Fincham) intended to get across that Merlin is a family show is not really the business of the article. We're here to write about the series, not digress into whether Peter Fincham can add up or not. However, rather than simply reverting Thekoyaanisqatsi's edit again, I thought I'd ask for other opinions on this matter. Cheers. H.G. 11:07, 21 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I fully agree with you, this is an article about a TV show called Merlin, it is not about picking apart the accuracy of a quote. magnius (talk) 11:27, 21 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't know where this is going, but is this to do with the inaccuracy of the show? If so, nothing has to be exact! Its just like Dragonball, people are complaining the film will suck: ITS JUST AN ADAPTION! Transformers was an adaption of the series and it rocked!! Its Arithian legend, meaning nobody knows what REALLY happened Goku1st (talk) 21:01, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No, it's to do with something a BBC executive said, not the show itself. H.G. 21:12, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Now come on, that clearly was a "listing and", not a "logical and". So people can watch it with their grandparents, and OTHER people can watch it with their children. Then you'll get the usual 3 generations "grandparents", "parents" and "children". 85.216.118.31 (talk) 14:51, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Season Vs Series
This is one section that keeps being altered, but (as was correctly pointed out to me yesterday) this is a British TV show so the appropriate word to describe a run of this show is the term "series". "Season" is used to describe runs of American shows. magnius (talk) 13:41, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Really? Doctor Who is British, and uses seasons. Xavius, the Satyr Lord (talk) 07:32, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, classic Who uses seasons, but the new version uses series. It's a fairly standard convention that British shows use series rather than season, but that probably is becoming more inter-changeable. I know i've read something 'official' about this, but i can't find it. --Ged UK (talk) 09:25, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Plot
This section contains a number of inaccuracies. The union of England did not occur in 1066 (that was the Norman Conquest) but first in the 920s - Athelstan was the first monarch to be known as the King of All Britain - and then permanently in 954. Uther's kingdom could be in Wales which a set of principalities until the 1200s and that would be more consistent with the traditional origins of Merlin and his first "historical" mentionings. The series as a whole also screws with the traditional Merlin story - for example, Merlin helped Uther bed his enemy's wife, Igraine, to father Arthur. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Logopandecteision (talk • contribs) 04:09, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * In almost every other media regarding Merlin, he is also a lot older than Arthur, and is a lot of the time his mentor, not his servant.

Creatures
At the end of episode three, there was a preview for The Poison Chalice. It had a scene of Arthur fighting what looked like a Dimetrodon with two sails. Probably a dragon, except it didn't look like any i've ever heard of. Maybe we should include a creatures list, with the Great Dragon, the Ajanc, the Snake-Shield and the afore mentioned creature (when the episode airs). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.93.212 (talk) 18:40, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

You'll never guess WHAT! I just saw Episode 4 and it turns out that that pelycosaur-monster was a Cockatrice!!!!!!!! A blimmin' Cockatrice!!!!!!! Rowling's portrayal of this creature may have been way off the mark, but at least it resembled some sort of serpent. This so called "Cockatrice" is to much to bare!!!!!!!! Why doesn't anyone take at least the TINIEST bit of NOTICE at the original FOLKLORE????!!!!!!!!!!! That feller Ben Vanstone needs to get what he wanted right. He could always say it was some sort of small dragon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.209.4 (talk) 19:32, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Calling it a cockatrice is weird, sure, but remember that most basilisks in modern culture (D&D, Warcraft) appear as giant lizards not entirely unlike the one in that episode (although they usually have three pairs of legs). Still, where is the petrifying gaze? Xavius, the Satyr Lord (talk) 07:28, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I've started a list of things The Show Got Right. So far: Aurthur Pendragon is the son of Uther Pendragon, they lived in the castle at Camalot, and Merlin was a wizard.  And (so far) all the characters have the right gender.  Beyond that it looks like they drew names, rolls, and back story out of a hat (Morgana is royal, Lancelot isn't, Gwen is a chambermaid, Merlin is young, etc).--72.78.216.147 (talk) 18:02, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Tagline
The article cuurently states that the tagline is "Shh. Keep the magic a secret!". I was under the impression that it was "Shh. Keep the magic secret!". Is there a difinitive source for the tagline? 84.65.58.167 (talk) 10:22, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Really needed?
"The era in which the series is set is ambiguous; traditionally the Arthurian legends are set in the dark ages, and the idea of King Uther reigning over a small kingdom (which is present in both traditional legend and the television series) sets it before the union of England in 1066. Despite this, the castle interiors are 15th century, making the series' setting entirely inconsistent with English history, and therefore should be treated purely as fantasy fiction. Britain is never mentioned; Uther's domain is referred to by the name Albion, the oldest known name for Great Britain."

So because the castles are 15th century but the lack of union is pre-1066, this should be treated as fantasy? Not because it's got Merlin and magic and a dragon in it? This feels like someone taking the opportunity to show off their knowledge, rather than anything particularly encyclopedic: it's basically original research to try and identifythe historical setting followed by an admission that doing so isimpossible. Deletion objections, anyone?JonStrines (talk) 11:57, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * As mentioned above it's also incorrect as the union of England predates the Norman conquest. Like you say, it's obviously a fantasy not historical setting. -- Joey Roe  08:59, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm all in favour of keeping something to this effect in the article, as the contrast between the political situation described and its likely position in time and the interior and costumes really threw me, too. There is no need to specifically add that this is Fantasy, though. 92.226.92.240 (talk) 10:17, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Categorizing episode articles
If I may suggest, please don't categorize individual episodes in Category:Arthurian film and television. If the show is successful the episode articles will quickly overload it. Category:Merlin episodes is the appropriate choice. Otto4711 (talk) 17:11, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Merlin vs traditional Arthurian legend
I think at least a small section which shows how this story has deviated from traditional Arthurian legend could be included here:


 * Arthur and Merlin were not similar ages, in fact, Merlin was already an old man when Arthur was born.
 * Some tales see Arthur raised by Merlin, others in the countryside.
 * Merlin allows Uther to bed his enemy's wife - Ygraine, who gives birth to Arthur.
 * Certainly from a historical context, Arthur would never invite sons of Wessex or Northumbria to join his knights! These, being Anglo-Saxon kingdoms would have been the enemy.
 * Guinevere was certainly not a handmaiden
 * Morgana is generally accepted as the foe of Merlin and certainly in 'Merlin' the mini-series, she is Arthur's half sister. Not to mention a fairy (Morgan le Fay anyone?), a sorceress of much renown, and bordering on "demi-goddess" depending on which legend you're looking at and which interpretation thereof.
 * Nimueh is often cited as the Lady of the Lake and enchanter of Merlin. White43 (talk) 12:51, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Also - Mordred was the son of Arthur and Morgan Le Fey, not a druid. 87.127.178.28 (talk) 10:42, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Nobody knows this for certain. Its just an arthritian legend, so nobody knows EXACTLY what happened. Its still a good show to watch, no matter how innacurate it is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goku1st (talk • contribs) 09:49, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Difficult, considering there isn't really a definitive tradition. Are you going to argue from Welsh tradition? Malory? Geoffrey of Monmouth? Stygian-sulfur (talk) 13:59, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * In spite of the different tradition, isn't there some sort of overlap as to whose son Mordred is? I seem to remember there was, but I haven't read the different versions in a while and my head's muddled by all the modern ones (thanks, Prince Valiant cartoon).92.226.92.240 (talk) 10:20, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

No, not really. The whole illegitimacy thing is an optional. Sometimes he's a foster son, sometimes he marries Guinevere, sometimes he's Lot's son... which is why I think constant carping on with the whole 'it doesn't fit the King Arthur storyline' stuff is pretty silly. The only firm tradition I can see in Arthurian legend is the constant alteration of the story to fit the needs of the author/poet/historian/tv channel. Stygian-sulfur (talk) 10:47, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Ther authors of this show chose to plaguarise an existing story because it lent instant familarity and probable financial success. They could have made up any story about wizards they wanted, but copying the existing, well-known myth about Merlin significantly increased the chance that this show would be popular. I think it is therefore absolutely legitimate to point out that almost none of this confection is remotely like the original. Just because Geoffrey of Monmouth can't claim copyright doesn't make it valid. Many people use Wikipedia as their reference of choice. Wikipedia therefore has a duty to point out where artistic licence (and I'm being charitable here) has been taken. People can make their own mind up which version of Merlin they prefer, but that fact that this in no way follows the accepted version of the myth is a valid point that the article should make.

Regarding number of viewers (online)
It is a shame that the number of online viewers is not taken into account. As many Canadians and Americans do not have access to viewing the BBC, they typically access it online via torrents or direct-downloads. I do not know if there is any site that monitors the online popularity of a show. 6 000 000 or so viewers is rather low when you consider the amount of attention the show gets relative to other shows on sites featuring articles on internet releases of various entertainment.

So, my question is: Does anyone know where to find data on viewership on the Internet for any given show? Thanks. XJeanLuc (talk) 19:55, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * In an effort to avoid a frivolous edit war due to another editor(s) conflict of interests I removed the link to the page featuring the article about the internet release of Merlin. It is not due to a conflict with wikipedia policy that I do this edit, but out of convenience and preference to avoid wasting time with Wikipedia vandals. I think anyone who may have a possible answer to my question regarding viewership would be familiar with the kind of "buzz" and popularity/distribution the show generates among those using non-TV methods of watching the programme.

I hope that the vandal finds this as an adequate compromise and not force this to be resolved through mediation. XJeanLuc (talk) 07:02, 20 November 2008 (November 2008 (UTC)


 * The reason these downloads are not included in viewing figures is straightforward: they're illegal. Removing tips on how to find these downloads is hardly the work of a vandal, rather it's promoting these sorts of sites that's frowned upon. So please stop inserting the name of your website which assists people in these illegal activities. 205.189.152.125 (talk) 10:00, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Removing the contributions of other wikipedia editors that are not in violation/contradiction to Wikipedia policy is a form of vandalism. The website in question is not my website and I do not contribute to it, nor do I upload content of questionable legal status. I was not providing any "tips" on how to obtain the episodes (there are plenty of forums for that). The legality of downloaders' actions is something that you cannot label as illegal across the board as legal status varies in different countries. I was not promoting any website. However, you clearly do have a conflict of interest with regards to your contributing to Wikipedia. I suggest that you keep that in check. You have accused me of multiple actions that are against wiki policy and I am insulted by it. Your perception of the events pertaining to this editing problem hardly resembles the physical reality. This is quite plain to see and if you have difficulty in understanding this or believing it, please find another editor to explain this to you or, as previously suggested, read wikipedia policy and editing help articles. XJeanLuc (talk) 10:28, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Also, if you want to discuss the legality of the content I suggest you do that at a more appropriate place - perhaps a forum? Maybe you could also try reading a little bit about the legal status of the material in different countries and not make the assumption that everyone lives in the USA and Canada. XJeanLuc (talk) 10:38, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Comment It is not vandalism to remove links to torrent sites; in fact, it is common practice when torrent sites are linked in television articles and on talk pages. With regards to this post, while the link is not directly to a copy of the episode, it is also not an "article". The linked page - and the site as a whole - exists solely to facilitate torrents and similar downloads that are considered illegal in many jurisdictions. The "restrictions on linking" section of the external links guideline and the "Linking to copyrighted works" section of the copyright policy are worth reading through as well. Please feel free to ask if you have questions about this. Cheers. --Ckatz chat spy  11:01, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


 * You are mistaken. The article was about the internet release of an episode of Merlin. The article's purpose it to announce the release, discuss its quality, and discuss the episode itself. You are mistaken in interpreting it as a links database. Again, the link was not to a site hosting illegal content, but to one featuring an article regarding an episode. In the comments for the article, links to content of questionable legal status were posted. So, at best there are two degrees of separation between what I wrote in the talk page for Merlin and the content in question. My intent was not to advertise. I honestly wanted to illustrate what I meant by online excitement for the show. The editor that has attempted to dispute this does not understand my intentions despite multiple attempts to explain it to him or her. If you are in fact that same editor, then I thank you for finally signing in. Again after reviewing the policy page you provided me with, I can say again that what I have done is not a violation. It is not a torrent site as you like to say. Regardless, I think we have finally come to a compromise on the situation. I would like the posts to remain unchanged as my inquiry into online viewership is a legitimate one and one that if answered could improve the quality of the article. 6 million viewers does not do this show justice. XJeanLuc (talk) 12:52, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but it's no mistake; the site is - per its own "About Us" description - clearly focussed on providing access to torrents. (I didn't say it was a database, just that it is a site designed and intended to promote P2P distribution of illegally copied material.) By the way, I'm not the IP - I just forgot to sign my last post - nor am I suggesting you are trying to advertise for the site. I've no reason to suspect your intentions are anything other than good. However, as an administrator, I do have to let you know that Wikipedia avoids publicizing or linking to these sort of sites because of the copyright issues involved. As for the Internet numbers, any text about that would have to be supported by reliable sources, and the torrent sites themselves are not considered as such. You'd need to find something like a news report or a comment from someone connected to the series. --Ckatz chat spy  18:42, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Of course. XJeanLuc (talk) 21:16, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I've removed the name of your website once again. Please stop trying to sneak it back in. 209.183.28.64 (talk) 07:18, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Good for you! Give yourself a pat on the back and proclaim "yay me! I'm so smart! I can do it!" I'm glad to see such constructive work on your behalf. Always nice to see editors developing a sense of self-fulfillment from their work. This sentence will be inappropriately placed, but I feel that it is necessary; you need to learn to read carefully before editing and you should try to control your tendency towards behaviours that most would label as idiotic. No offense. Just trying to offer constructive advice for your benefit and for the sake of other editors that will have to deal with you. XJeanLuc (talk) 14:04, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd like to apologize for polluting this talk page with pointless malicious comments directed at an individual "editor". XJeanLuc (talk) 12:47, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Colour-blind casting
I'm putting a reference needed on the description of the show as colour blind casting. Unless there is a direct quote from the producers or casting directors that this is the case, I would rather believe that the non-white characters were deliberately non-white. The fact that African-born people were rare in medieval Britain is no reason to suppose that Gwen and her father are impossible in the fantasy setting of the series. Secondsilk (talk) 22:46, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I have no issue with the fact tag, but I suspect that it is colour-blind casting. The BBC has gone in for it of late, (Nancy in Oliver Twist, Tattycorum in Little Dorritt, even adding Jack into Robin Hood). Whether it is medieval Britain is a whole other question! I'll keep hunting for a quote. --Ged UK (talk) 08:58, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I know this discussion is from awhile ago, but in the 101st Geek Syndicate podcast (http://geeksyndicate.wordpress.com/2008/12/05/geek-syndicate-episode-101/), they interview creator Julian Jones who specifically says colour-blind casting was used (at 27:30) and says "We looked at all the best young actors, [Angel Coulby] was the best. Why not?" Rainchildai (talk) 00:02, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Reception
Can someone add a "reception" section to the article so we can document the press and public's response the show. Most shows of this kind have one. - 92.22.95.191 (talk) 05:55, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Overseas Airing
Should be mentioned that it will air in June 2009 on NBC.--Cooly123 (talk) 15:56, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * This information used to be included in a table with all the overseas broadcast information, but the table has been deleted. I thought it was useful, and I have seen the same table on other tv show pages.  Why was it deleted?  Shouldn't the premiere dates for other countries be listed somewhere? Rainchildai (talk) 09:37, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

In Australia, the first episode of this awesome would have been May 3rd, because the 2nd was May 10th and the 3rd will be tonight, May 17th. It is aired on Channel TEN at 6.30pm on Sundays. Solloby (talk) 07:59, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I've restored the table by going back a couple of hundred edits...no idea why it was deleted, it seems pretty useful and informative. 86.133.96.157 (talk) 16:00, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Someone keeps deleting it. Should we keep restoring it or just leave it be? Jashack (talk) 05:44, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

On a related note, I have put back in mention of the fact that this is the first British drama series to be shown on mainstream American network television for over thirty years. I did originally note that when I created this article, but it's subsequently been deleted. I know America is not the world and we shouldn't be beholden to their whims like some over-eager puppy dog, but it is the world's major media market, so I do think in this case it's interesting to note Merlin's achievement. Angmering (talk) 09:20, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Second Series
There are two sentences stating that there will be a second series, both of which are stand alone sentences in there sections. One is the last sentence in the opening paragraphs, and the other is the last sentence in the Production paragraph. Both have there own refs, should someone delete one of them? Jashack (talk) 18:51, 14 June 2009 (UTC)


 * depends on the context of where they are and what they are trying to convey, if it the same thing they yes one should be dfeleted but it it trying to convey a different thing then no. When i say convey i mean in the context of what is being said one might being saying second series is being made but another might be saying during the second series this storylien will be as follow type thing, to which both convey sometihng different so provide different information--Andy Chat c 23:55, 14 June 2009 (UTC)


 * in this case it hard one to say, because the main body needs it but the lead it summary so it hsould stay in both but i suggest moving the reference to the main body and take them otu of the lead--Andy Chat c 23:57, 14 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The WP:LEAD is a summary of the article, and thus will duplicate content. This is actually what I came to the article to find out, so I'm glad it was in the lead.  I did have one question with it though... they said the BBC commissioned another season, but I didn't see if NBC purchased the second season from the BBC for the U.S.   Just wondering if I need to look for it on I-tunes or if I can see it on NBC next year. :-)   Morphh   (talk) 3:06, 08 September 2009 (UTC)

Wikiquote
Hi there - I have been trying to edit the wikiquote page for this show in order to make it conform to the appropriate standards. However, I'm new to wikipedia and not that great with computers etc, and there doesn't seem to be anyone else editing it. If anyone here can help, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. --HermitKnut 21:19, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

International broadcasts
Do we really need a section this long, given it adds so little to the article (local time slots for Spanish repeats are a bit too unencyclopaedic)?

Besides, almost every line in it lacks a citation.

I can see two variants here: a) we summarize the table in a couple of sentences an delete it altogether; b) we make the table collapsable and collapse it by default.

The first variant seems preferable to me, but, of course, I'll wait for a consensus.

Primaler (talk) 04:39, 20 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I sqay compare it against artile slike house (tv series) that are FA status if it done that way there then i say do it that wayt here if not change it to that way, as it FA so that would be the best way forward for displayign the material. my own personal opinion would be to summarise it-- Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 11:06, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Merge discussion
I propose that Merlin Season One Episode Ratings be merged into this article rather than being prodded. Jezhotwells (talk) 00:10, 16 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Can we just delete it, now that the ratings are neatly sumed up in the main article?
 * Primaler (talk) 09:35, 21 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I had proposed it get deleted but the above user suggest merging bovth are as good as each other but deletion would have been better.-- Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 10:03, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

I redirected Merlin Season One Episode Ratings here. As a matter of convenience and convention – and of retaining author attribution – following a merge, the source article(s) are redirected to their new homes rather than deleted. Splash - tk 16:43, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

"Morgana (in some legends Mordred's mother)" ??
Under the section "Plot" there is a line saying "Mordred has appeared as a Druid boy who formed a bond with Morgana (in some legends Mordred's mother)...".

I'm not an expert, so hence I have not made a change directly, however, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan_le_Fay Morgana was the sister of Morgause, who is the mother of Gawain and the traitor Mordred. One or other is wrong, and I suspect it is this page that is wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BrainStain (talk • contribs) 00:26, 8 October 2009 (UTC)


 * No meantion in the show about her being her mother so remoe that but this show is not neccessery on the merlin myths-- Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 00:47, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * BrainStain, Merlin as a show is not at all supposed to follow the written mythology/storylines of the real Merlin stories we have on our hands. Therefore we cannot assume one or the other was wrong by looking at this article as the source ;) JesterCountess [ talk•contribs ] 01:40, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Lancelot and Guinevere (Merlin)
FYI. Ikip (talk) 21:04, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Filming Location
This article has been added to Media in Cardiff. Is this series filmed are produced in the city? Welshleprechaun (talk) 13:07, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Produced in Cardiff, filmed in France (iirc) PoisonedPigeon (talk) 15:47, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Merlin books
Shouldn't there be a mention of the series of books based on the TV series? Just a thought. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Midsomerlover (talk • contribs) 08:49, 14 April 2010 (UTC)


 * If you think eventually the books might have their own Wiki article (it seems likely to me), then the thing to do would be to start the article! In the meanwhile, if no one is up to that (it might involve many hours of work), definitely they should have at least a mention in this article. Piano non troppo (talk) 20:12, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

US Air Dates
When does Season (series) 2 of Merlin air in the US? Is it weekly throughout the 13 episodes or is there a break in there? Mr. College (talk) 03:31, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

The NBC website has a "Next On" box that occasionally shows text that reads "June 21st 8/7c. Double Premiere. The Call of the Dragon. TV-PG LV." It isn't clear what year this is talking about or if The Call of the Dragon is a different episode from The Dragon's Call. http://www.nbc.com/merlin/ Mike Fox 13:01, 29 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Slxpluvs (talk • contribs)

The title
I think the full title is The Adventures of Merlin. 113.22.168.210 (talk) 15:53, 23 July 2010 (UTC).

Episodes
I propose we merge the individual episode articles with this article and the Merilin episode list. Its irrelivant to have 26 pages with unsources fan-cruft summaries. The episode list is for short summaries, therefore we don't have to do through with making individual pages. Can anyone comment on this? Chaos Master Chat 13:57, 16 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Also, I made many changes to this page. If anything is spelled wrong or dated wrong, exc. because of American - UK language, please feel free to correct it or request a correction to it. Chaos Master Chat 14:45, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

I would argue that, with any show that goes into a third series, at least reference to development of storyline and character development, with reference to episode titling should be allowed. Agreed, that fan-cruft would be irrelevant yet feel that an episode titling of each and perhaps a guide to each series s an over view might be encouraged? Crescent (talk) 20:13, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

The third series - still not in HD.
I've had a fairly straightforward change reverted because it removed a reference and I've been asked to discuss it for that reason, in the spirit of WP:BRD. The thing is that all I removed was some speculation that the third series would be in HD based on a press release from 2005 that says the BBC has a target to move to HD production by 2010. Now even before the series started broadcasting that seems to me to be pretty close to breaching WP:OR and WP:CRYSTAL and now that the series has started broadcasting, not in HD, the prediction in that sentence has not come to pass. Because it is so straightforward, I'm removing it again. If someone thinks it is worthy of debate then I'll leave you to it (I'm not going to start an edit war about this) - but I think there's sufficient information here to show why that sentence and its reference shouldn't remain. 81.107.26.167 (talk) 14:50, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

series 2 and 3 are filmed in hd and will be broqdcast in hd when bbc one hd laucnhes jsut bbc dnt put much on bbc hd channel,-- Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 19:27, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * If you can find a source that says that then put it in the article, but I think we can be sure that if the money was spent on HD then it would be shown on the BBC HD channel - as all other HD dramas are. If you look at this Saturday's schedule there are an hour and half's worth of repeats that could be moved for a showing of Merlin in HD, if it was available. There's also no Blu-Ray release of series two. As far as I know, the series is shot in 16mm and then scanned and the resolution reduced to SD so that the CGI effects can be added - and there won't be an HD versions until the BBC and Shine stump up the cash for HD effects. When BBC One HD launches, all SD programmes (including Merlin) will be upscaled - so it won't be true HD. 81.107.26.167 (talk) 19:54, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * the reaosn for no seaosn 2 blu-ray and no future one is because series 1 wasnt fil;me din hd, casualty is filmed in hd this season btu not on the hd channel, holby city is filmed in hd this seaosn but never satreed on teh dh channel formt eh first epsiode it jsut hwo the bbc works.
 * Neither Holby or Casualty are currently filmed in HD, according to this the plan is to move Holby to HD by the end of the year and Casualty at sometime after that. I can't find anything to suggest that either of those moves have happened. Are you seriously suggesting that the HD channel is showing repeats when they have original HD programmes that are only shown in SD? 81.107.26.167 (talk) 22:35, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

the informaiton i have comes direct from director of programs at the bbc i emailed them becaue i wanted to knwo why it wasnt in hd and that how i ound out but once bbc one hd launches it will be-- Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 22:04, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * for my own piece of mind, I'm going to email the BBC and see what response I get. However, without a reliable source to say that Merlin is made in for broadcast in HD, we can't say in the article that it is. 81.107.26.167 (talk) 22:35, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

I can tell you why immediately as to the reason behind the fact that Merlin isn't in HD. Shine Limited don't have the budget to produce CGI of the quality required of Hi-Definition simple as that.Twobells (talk) 13:16, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Total UK Viewers / US Viewers
What does this mean? Should it be "Average UK Viewers"? Rolypole (talk) 04:13, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

International Broadcast Section
Hello everybody Can somebody please add Australia to the International Broadcast section because I've only just started editing and I can't understand all the language. It started on May 3, 2009, and it's gone through to the present. The channel it's aired on is Network Ten, and here's the website: http://ten.com.au/merlin.htm If anybody needs any more information just ask. Thank you! Where&#39;s woof (talk) 09:22, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Question
Please read here. The pages have different information about Agravaine. --Elitre (talk) 18:23, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Editing help?
Under the Main Cast area there is a line that reads "dougnuts are good" but I can't seem to find this line in the edit section. Saeton (talk) 06:27, 13 March 2013 (UTC)


 * ✅, Some sort of glitch but simply undone the edit :) Davey 2010   Talk  08:26, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Article title change
I suggest the article's title be changed from "Merlin (TV series)" to "The Adventures of Merlin" since that is the title displayed on the title card/intertitle shown in the article's infobox, even though the phrase "The Adventures of" is almost invisible. --Fandelasketchup (talk) 21:23, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Not really, the "the adventures of" is just shown on the international release and doesn't exist in the BBC's original airing, therefore, the title of the article shouldn't be changed; although it would be good to have some redirecting. 177.206.60.14 (talk) 01:41, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Bradley James
Hello, Wikipedians! I am working on editing Bradley James' personal Wikipedia page for a class project. I'm mainly interested in adding information about the actor, because it is very bare. Do you have any suggestions of where to look for (primary) sources? I know Bradley has been interviewed before, so I was thinking I'd look for videos of him at ComicCon-type events. Any input would be GREAT!Sdowd14 (talk) 01:46, 29 October 2015 (UTC)sdowd14

Matt Smith and Karen Gillan
Radio Times is reporting comments by Matt Smith at a convention appearance in which he's revealed that he and his Doctor Who co-star Karen Gillan had auditioned for the show and were in the "final two" to play Merlin and Guinevere. As Radio Times is considered a reliable media source I'll put the link here if anyone wants to add it in. I assume this could go into the Production History section. There is notability beyond Merlin on this as the show was produced by the same people as Doctor Who and with a year both actors had been cast in Doctor Who in major roles. 68.146.233.86 (talk) 14:15, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

on the broadcasting section
This article is great and gives a wealth of information. I found a link to a page on the BBC Three page about Merlin Secrets and Magic that could be helpful to add in:http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00mjrwk/broadcasts/2009/12 https://dashboard.wikiedu.org/courses/University_of_Oklahoma/History_of_Science_Since_the_17th_Century_(Fall_2016) Hrm0815 (talk) 01:33, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Recent edits not saved
How come none of my recent edits of a Merlin the 2008 TV series articles of Merlin and Arthur got saved? They were all crucial information to both Arthur and Merlin as historic figures? Perhaps I made a mistake by joining Wikipedia? That mistake can easily be corrected.

I think I made a mistake by joining this community. No recent edits saved, re-written the very next second! Why do I ever bother? Goodbye! Wikster X (talk) 16:57, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Being "crucial information to both Arthur and Merlin as historic figures", such information is more appropriate for the Merlin and King Arthur articles rather that an article about a television programme. DonQuixote (talk) 17:20, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Television Ratings Template
If someone knows how, can they they create a ratings graph for Merlin? XtremeNerdz12 (talk) 14:14, 24 October 2017 (UTC)