Talk:Merlyn (DC Comics)

Arrow TV Show (Spoiler Warning)
Although Tommy may eventually become much like the comic book Merlyn, his father (also with the surname Merlyn) is, as of the Christmas episode, confirmed to be an expert archer, skilled in hand-to-hand combat and able to take down a much younger adversary that is incredibly well trained and maintained. Basically, would it be right to focus the 'Arrow' section on Malcolm, mentioning Tommy as an aside? Malcolm seems a far closer counterpart than his son. 86.159.58.82 (talk) 03:22, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah. The show clearly set Tommy up as a red herring, for viewers thinking he'd be like Lex Luthor on Smallville, but played its cards in time for the mid-series finale.Zythe (talk) 13:33, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily. Keep in mind that even in Smallville's early seasons, Lionel Luthor was closer to comic book version of Lex Luthor (at least the post-Crisis one) than Michael Rosenbaum's character was. So my impression here is that Tommy will still follow in his father's footsteps like Lex once did. But I'll wait until we get a consensus before I change it. Lunchmeets (talk) 19:13, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Too much info
I've remved some info from the 'In other media' section where it concerns the Arrow tv series. We don't wikilink Starling City to Star City (at least, not without citations we don't) and we don't go into excessive detail. As Tommy Merlyn is dead (or very, very sleepy) and Malcolm seems close to joining him, I think we may have been gaslighted on this. I think we need to keep the tv series mention of Merlyn brief and concise. We don't need plot details. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 17:21, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

"Malcolm Merlyn"
This page says that "Malcolm Merlyn" redirects here, but it redirects to the TV series. -- Beardo (talk) 04:11, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Split
The section about Malcolm Merlyn and his family should split into a separate article, since the length is starting to be too long.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 22:56, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Separate character pages
Malcolm and Tommy Merlyn are two separate characters in Arrow and to keep information separated, both characters should get their own respective character pages and this pages should have links to their respective pages instead. The idea to make a "Merlyn (Arrow)" pages wouldn't work as there would eventually be too much written between them as Tommy was a main character and Malcolm has been a recurring, then guest, and soon to be main character and it would be crammed with information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Captian Griggs (talk • contribs) 00:15, 18 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Redirected. Character does not meet general notability guidelines.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  14:04, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Merlyn edits
I've reverted - twice now - the addition of Tommy Merlyn and Vortigern to aliases to the article. Iirc, the term Dark Archer and Vortigern were used in the Smallville tv series of a few years back. As far as I know, the two series do not share part of a shared universe, so the terms from one are not portable in the other. Perhaps some RS reviewer (or the showrunners themselves) have connected the two. Outside of that, we cannot have them in the same article. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 21:48, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Alright, time to settle this. Merlyn being referred to as The Dark Archer, on Arrow, has been consistently debated. | Here are | two press releases staing Merlyn as The Dark Archer. I am positive I have heard Merlyn referred to on Arrow as said pseudonym, a few times. I believe it deserves a mention at least once in the Merlyn/Arrow section. Cheers, LLArrow (talk) 23:30, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Er, they are both from the same source, and note Dark Archer. Got another reliable source that lists it as a notable alias? - Jack Sebastian (talk) 03:43, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * And it would appear that a discussion very much on point in this discussion occurred on another page, with LLArrow being one of the more...steadfast...of contributors. The name isn't used in the series, is rarely used in the comics and is about as common a usage as Smallville's ass magic of 'Vortigern'. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 03:54, 24 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Uh, check again. They are separate press releases, released on two different occasions. I usually censor myself when it comes to hostility, but for you I'll make the exception. Would you PLEASE be more civil and proper in your interactions with other editors. I realize this place may not breed the most positive atmosphere, but come on. All most of us want to do is make Wikipedia a better place. We don't all have ill intentions. A little tact goes along way. Cheers, LLArrow (talk) 04:53, 24 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment/Opinion - Tommy is a simple one....no. Tommy is not an alias of Merlyn the Magician, and I think that this is well established on Arrow (that being the only place that Tommy exists). Matter of fact, all of Tommy's stuff should really solely exist at List of Arrow characters. With Vortigan, I don't think that's right to list it as an "alias", because he really wasn't Merlyn the Magician. He was Smallvilles take on the character, but not an actual representation. I think including him in the article is fine though. As for "The Dark Archer" alias, I'm more torn. I don't recall that name being used specifically on the show. I have a vague memory of it being mentioned in the same vein as "vigilante" is mentioned for Oliver at one point, but at the same time I'm not positive. It could simply be my brain making it appear that it was there because you read it all over the web when discussing Merlyn on Arrow. There are press releases that use it (as LLArrow brought above), but my feelings are that if it truly isn't mentioned on the show then it shouldn't be listed. If it was, then the question has to be is this an article primarily about the comic book character, or every incarnation? For example, we don't list "Superman" as an alias of Clark's on Clark Kent (Smallville), because that was an alias he picked up in Season Eleven comic book, and although they are mentioned the page is meant to represent his television portrayal primarily and listing it would make readers believe that it's something he went by on Smallville the tv series.   BIGNOLE '    (Contact me)  06:23, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

So, it's happening again. I thought this was settled? It is weird to present external information as though it constituted part of the narrative of the show.Zythe (talk) 23:36, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Separate page for Arrowverse version
I think that the arrowverse character is sufficently different and notable that he deserves his own page. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 03:40, 19 November 2023 (UTC)