Talk:Merv Griffin's Crosswords

Citation on rules
The rules are found at their web site and I watched the game and people should know the rules as they play along. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.247.93.56 (talk • contribs) 2007-09-11T16:38:43

I also think the host does the rules OVER and OVER and OVER again.... how many times has the show gone on? I think we know what the rules are... Treadway needs to knock it off! 216.68.41.230 20:59, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Crossword Getaway
While most shows have two Crossword Getaways, there have been a handful with only one, so I noted as "at least one of the first two rounds", instead of "each". --Lightning2 04:06, 29 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I noticed this the other day, but I think in that first round there were three words in a row that weren't answered, usually about the time the getaway would have popped up. Maybe that's why it wasn't awarded. Just a thought. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 08:03, 29 September 2007 (UTC)


 * That makes more sense. The Crossword Extra apparently is awarded no matter what, but not the Crossword Getaway. I just saw a show with no Crossword Getaways awarded. --Lightning2 03:09, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Renewed for 2008-09?
The article has stated that according to an article in B&C magazine, Crosswords has been renewed for next season. However, I was informed by a contestant coordinator from the show the same day that that issue came out that they were still hoping on being picked up for another season, so I don't think that that statement is necessarily accurate (even though I'd love it to be true!) However, I know that's original research on my part, but I think it should be omitted until the news has been released elsewhere (I haven't seen this anywhere else, and I have looked.) nlyons162 (talk) 21:50, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Bonus round
Okay. There aren't any reliable sources out there that have all these specific rules for the bonus round. Until we can get reliable sources to verify that those facts are true, I think that the only thing we can do is go off the official website, which has very few details. RJaguar3 | u  |  t  01:25, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Bonus Round?
Is there a difference between a "trip" and a "tropical vacation" other than a specifically tropical destination? The bonus round mentions a change from a "trip" prize to a "tropical vacation" prize. TheHYPO (talk) 12:18, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * "...tropical trip to where, Edd?" has also been used. I don't think there's any difference. Robert K S (talk) 02:01, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Videos/notable contestants
First up, as I explained in my edit comment, the fact that the contestant in question uploaded the video doesn't make it OK. The company behind MG Crosswords owns the copyright. There's just no way to link to them at all, a they violate the rules explained at Copyrights.

Secondly, videos are typically a no go even if copyright isn't an issue.

Third, the whole section was odd, because notable contestants means ones that are notable by real world standards, not because they've been on other game shows. The person who put them there pointed me to Whammy for justification (by this I assume Whammy! The All-New Press Your Luck was meant), but just because something exists on another page it doesn't mean it's right. The page for the Whammy show looks like it started out with some contestants who are at least arguable notable -- voice actors, authors, etc. People aren't typically notable just because they were on other game shows before, which is what this article was trying to assert. The argument was made on my talk page that these were the most notable ones, which the could very well be, but the most notable out of a group of peole who aren't notable doesn't mean they are notable.

Incidentally, I thought a bunch of National Puzzler's League and Cruciverb-list members were on this show at various times... They are typically involved in making crosswords or other pursuits. Do any of the ones in question have Wikipedia articles about their other accomplishments? I know some do, but I don't know if those were the ones on this show or not. DreamGuy (talk) 17:13, 22 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Understandable, however I feel that if the show wasn't notable in very many ways, then why not talk about certain contestants? Hostetler appeared on Wheel of Fortune in 1978 and participated in the Star Bonus; additionally, he was one of only three contestants to be on both the CBS and GSN versions of Press Your Luck, AND became infamous in the opening montages for "Hong Kong, all right!"

John Beck was the last five-time champion on Jeopardy! prior to the abolishing of the championship limits, while the Premiere's big winner Neville participated in a kids' week on the same show. And Van Ginkel and Wargo are game veterans.

Anyway, my point is that if a show hosted by a guy who was more wooden than a tree and seemingly prided itself on being cheaper than GSN had notable contestants, we should duly note them.

And "notable contestants" DO include people who have been on other games...or at least, it should. Daniel Benfield (talk) 22:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Who are the critics?
There are a number of references to "critics" in this article. Do we have any hard and fast reference as to who these critics are? Davemackey (talk) 21:00, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Loads of weasel/POV needing to be trimmed. Let's let the facts speak for themselves in this article. Robert K S (talk) 07:22, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

First-run episodes
The article currently states that the show "aired first-run episodes until May 16, 2008". This may have been true in some markets, such as two-a-day markets, but in my one-a-day market, first-run episodes were aired well into November (and perhaps even December) of that year. The statement could use clarification or otherwise should be removed. Robert K S (talk) 14:56, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


 * No, apparently it was true with one-a-day markets. "First-run" is in regard to personal viewing perspectives – with Crosswords, many episodes felt exactly the same and aired very far out of order, and only by documenting each episode as you watched it could one really determine if an episode is actually first-run or not. In addition, some markets continued airing Crosswords as a "best-of" package (yeah, I don't understand it, either) that did nothing to distinguish itself from the actual run.


 * It should also be noted that 225 episodes would run a once-daily airing from September 10, 2007 to July 18, 2008 (45 weeks), however some markets (especially double-run ones) began skipping around the production order (not like it's easy to tell that anyway).


 * According to the episode reviews at Game Show News Net, first-run episodes ceased on May 16, 2008. I also put forth NBC's old slogan/excuse to air repeats, "If you haven't seen it, it's new to you". Daniel Benfield (talk) 19:51, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


 * "No, apparently it was true with one-a-day markets. ... many episodes felt exactly the same ... only by documenting each episode as you watched it could one really determine if an episode is actually first-run or not." I documented each episode. Previously unaired episodes were airing in October and November, 2008. Furthermore, the total number of new episodes aired in my market was 220, not 225. Robert K S (talk) 21:48, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


 * 220? Huh. Anyway, assuming that your market began the series on September 10, 2007, it's possible that your affiliate also carried the "Best Of Crosswords" package, which I recall included "never-before-seen episodes". I'm pretty certain my affiliate – WFLX for the series, WPEC for the "Best-Of" – didn't air all of the episodes recorded, either.


 * Could you perhaps post your documentation, Robert? It would help many collectors (including myself) date their episodes, plus I can compare them to the GSNN archives to see what – if anything – matches up (apparently the affiliate that aired the episodes reviewed also aired it once-daily), and the result may or may not be worth uploading to Wikipedia (as an article; a Sandbox entry, definitely). Just a thought. Daniel Benfield (talk) 22:08, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


 * For many of the earlier-produced episodes, the full names of the spoilers were not given on the show: spoilers were introduced by their first names only. In order to make them better identifiable (and without going to the trouble of getting pictures for each one as we do with the J! Archive), in my notes I resorted to describing their physical characteristics.  For some of the spoilers, the descriptions may be considered unflattering (e.g., "balding").  As such I don't feel it would be tasteful to publish these notes.  However, I would be happy to answer any questions you might have.  I might also be willing to share them privately to trusted persons, with the promise that they not be shared, published or redistributed. Robert K S (talk) 22:20, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

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