Talk:Mesa, Arizona

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more populous than Miami?
Is this right? at 0.5 million population vs. Miami's 5.5 million. Mesa is only one tenth the size of Miami. It seems there is a mistake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.18.220.74 (talk) 12:34, 5 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Miami's city limits population is only 442,241, the metro population is 6.1 million. So, comparing city limits to city limits, Mesa is bigger. But I'm not sure why that matters enough to make it onto the page – just seems like weird bragging. Gepece (talk) 14:32, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Jarring economic diversity
The demographics section states: "Mesa's residents exhibit jarring economic diversity, with low-income areas constructed somewhat close to high-scale neighborhoods with extravagant custom homes." While I agree with this statement based on general observations alone, Can't the same be said for most valley cities, especially Phoenix? I'd like to find out what particular neighborhood the author of this statement is referring to, if not see a source cited, one that would differentiate Mesa from any other large city/suburb in that respect. Thanks Roadiejay 20:26, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


 * As a Mesan myself, I agree with you. I see huge economic disparities within the city. Perhaps we could find a government source for income levels? I know the areas around Mountain View High School are wealthier than the areas around, say, Westwood (with a few notable exceptions of course). We should find government statistics on the average income of families in these schools' boundaries. Pahoran513 00:13, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't believe Mesa's economic diversity is any different than that of, say... Phoenix, which also has many pockets of slum areas intermingled with nice neighborhoods. I think it's more or less characteristic of Arizona in general, and not a phenomenon exclusive to Mesa. So what I was getting at in my original post, is that I don't see why Mesa's "Economic diversity" even deserves a mention in the article. Roadiejay 10:53, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Ive read somewhere that the economy of Mesa resembels a post Soviet City. Take a look at the roads and its policies with new bussineses. 12.164.129.203 21:10, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:LogoSS-Mesa.gif
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Should these numbers add up to 100%?
"The racial make-up of the city was 69.30% White, 13.30% Black or African American, 2.2% Native American, 2.00% Asian, 0.10% Pacific Islander, 9.3% from other races, and 1.30% from two or more races. 52.70% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race."2candle 11:35, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The US Census considers Hispanic/Non-Hispanic independently of White/Black/Asian, etc. Therefore, someone can be both White and Hispanic or Black and Hispanic. As a result, the number usually add up to over 100%. However, someone vandalized the article and changed the numbers. I just changed them back to the official US Census estimates. -Nicktalk 16:28, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Also, people can be multiple races, so someone can be white, black, AND asian. --Node (talk) 10:00, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The person above you just said that...Lunamia (talk) 22:07, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

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Sister Cities
Undid edit. I can't find a source that supports Manaus, Brazil as a sister city. Ref these sites and Revisethis (talk) 06:54, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Mesa Suburb?
I reverted back to Mesa as a suburb and not a "satellite city" as was stated. Most newspapers (see below) call it correctly as a suburb and not a satellite city. Population alone does not mean a city is not a suburb. Aurora IL is the second largest City in Illinois so is it still a suburb? Long Beach is a massive City located with the LA metro area is it still a suburb? The answer to these questions are of course they are.

The City of Phoenix is by far the largest City in the Valley of the Sun (Phoenix Metro). It owns and controls the largest airport in the State of Arizona, in addition to two other reliever airports. In Mesa the Phoenix-Mesa Airport is controlled by a board of five members. One of those members is appointed by the Phoenix Mayor (at current the chair of the airport board is Thelda Williams a Phoenix Council member). This is different to other areas such as Dallas-Ft Worth and Minneapolis-St Paul who share ownership and control over the largest airports serving their metro areas. Airports are just one example of this.

"The Chicago Cubs have held spring training in Mesa, Ariz., on and off since the 1950s, and residents of the Phoenix suburb obviously want them to stay." http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/11/03/cubs-spring-training-to-stay-in-arizona-after-voters-approve-st/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oak999 (talk • contribs) 23:00, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Churches
There are currently 8 churches listed in this section (with external links to each of their websites), but this search at the East Valley Tribune website has over 2000 entries for churches. There is no way to reasonably include all of the churches in Mesa in a list in this article, nor is there a fair way to include some but not others, even if this excludes some large &/or well established local congregations. Because of this, this section should be removed & not added back. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 18:45, 29 November 2010 (UTC)


 * It is not reasonable to follow your proposed suggestion for removing the church section for the Mesa Arizona listing. By following your logic then any and all references about the Church of Later Day Saints should also be removed from the Mesa listing. "even if this excludes some large &/or well established local congregations." It is up to the each local church body to decide if they want to take the time to be list or not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tntcustom (talk • contribs) 04:15, 1 December 2010


 * If there were external links to web pages for individual congregations of the Mormon Church on this page, I would wholeheartedly support removing them; however that is not the case, so that is a red herring. A desire by a particular congregation of any faith to be included in this article doesn't matter if listing it doesn't meet Wikipedia guidelines. A review of wp:EL, wp:LINKSPAM, wp:SPA, wp:COI, wp:FAQ/Organizations & wp:GRIEF may be in order. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 01:00, 2 December 2010 (UTC)


 * The Mesa Arizona Temple meets Wikipedia's notibility criteria (note the interal wikilink instead of external links), so there is not need to excise it from this article. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 22:23, 13 December 2010 (UTC)


 * That previous statement doesn't mean that the image of the Mesa Arizona Temple needs to stay in the Cultural attractions section, even though it does belong in the list. If there are better quality image of structures on that list, it'd be fine to use them instead. We have a couple of images on the Mesa Arts Center article, but they are of lesser quality; same goes for HoHoKam Park. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 22:40, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Mesa's history was strongly influenced by the LDS Church; that's just a fact, regardless if this is seen as positive or negative. If you want to fix a perceived bias towards coverage of Mormonism on this article, deletion is not the correct solution. Instead find Mesa related religious topics that meet Wikipedia (WP) guidelines (including wp:V, wp:N, wp:NOT, & wp:EL) and write about them either here in this article or (preferably) on their own article & wp:wikilink to that material. WP is about building an encyclopedia, not about creating lists of external links that can be used as a directory; if you want information about a particular topic included, help build the encyclopedia by following WP guidelines. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 23:25, 15 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Hopefully by removing the external links, but leaving the (mostly) red wikilinks & including template:cleanup-laundry & template:Cleanup-list will help those that were adamant about including this list to better understand what the issues with it are. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 22:30, 25 January 2011 (UTC)


 * The community of Lehi, Arizona later annexed by Mesa, this large suburban city has an estimated Mormon percentage at 20-25 percent thus making Mesa the largest city of the so-called Mormon Corridor in the western USA, and Mesa is more populous than Salt Lake City itself, the LDS church's headquarters in Utah. 71.102.21.238 (talk) 12:57, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

County Seat
This article states that Mesa is the largest city that is not a county seat. What about Long Beach, CA?

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As of the 2020 census Mesa is larger than Long Beach, CA. The two cities that are larger and not county seats are Washington, DC and Baltimore, MD neither of which are in any county. Washington, DC's partial counties were abolished in 1871 and the city was reorganized into a single Federal District. Baltimore has been an Independent City since 1851. Gepece (talk) 14:39, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Largest suburb?
Long Beach, California has a higher population than Mesa. After all, isn't Long Beach a suburb of Los Angeles? ANDROS1337 TALK 23:49, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Parks and Recreation
There is nothing in this article about Mesa's Parks and Recreation amenities. I would like to include The Trust for Public Land's 2013 ParkScore ranking of the city. Mesa was ranked as having the 46th best park system out of the 50 most populous US Cities. 2013 Park Score Ranking - Mesa

There should at least be a line about Mesa's well-known parks, such as Pioneer Park (the oldest park established in 1947) and Red Mountain Park (Mesa's largest park at 1,144 acres). Also, it should be noted that the park system is run by the "City of Mesa Parks and Recreation" agency. http://www.mesaaz.gov/parksrec/

Structure
Hi. I'm going through all the US Cities (as per List of United States cities by population) in an effort to provide some uniformity in structure. Anyone have an issue with me restructuring this article as per WikiProject Cities/US Guideline. I won't be changing any content, merely the order. Occasionally, I will also move a picture just to clean up spacing issues. I've already gone through the top 20 or so on the above list, if you'd like to see how they turned out. Thoughts? Onel5969 (talk) 16:08, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Timeline of Mesa, Arizona
What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 10:39, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Notable people - Ambassador Jonathan Dean
Anyone else think that Jonathan Dean deserves a place:

http://blog.ucsusa.org/david-wright/ambassador-jonathan-dean-390?

https://books.google.de/books?id=Ys4lBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA3&lpg=PA3&dq=%22jonathan+dean%22+interview&source=bl&ots=qRicaXwjT7&sig=mdRzB4dpiHcWMjyQP4t_SclHrSc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjKo76tmorPAhXCchQKHc0uBqYQ6AEIIzAB#v=onepage&q=%22jonathan%20dean%22%20interview&f=false

and so on...

The notable people secion it quite sports-heavy at present. Dean was a real global heavyweight in security and peace policy and arms control.

I added his name, but it was reverted. I can't imagine why. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YusufAlBinVeryNaughty (talk • contribs) 16:04, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

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East vs. West Mesa
The dividing lines given in the article between East vs. West Mesa don't seem to be what most people use. It seems like the most common divider is actually Gilbert Road based on my experience. Should I add this to the article? ANDROS1337 TALK 18:08, 3 May 2018 (UTC)


 * There is a three-pronged argument for where "East Mesa" begins.
 * The "political" dividing line is Center Street, where addresses are formally differentiated - as is pointed out in the article.
 * There is Power Road, which is more of the "social" dividing line, as a majority of lands east of it are technically not in the boundaries or jurisdiction of the city. This is due to most of the housing developments choosing not to rely on city services but instead on things like Metro Rural for fire and rescue, and MCSO for police/sheriff services.
 * There is also the geographical division, which would be Greenfield Road - halfway between Price Road and Meridian Road.
 * To be honest (and as a Mesa resident), I would lean more towards Power Road, mostly because it's at that point where the city becomes less of a city and more of a collection of housing developments. Jwhouk 16:42, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

2010 Census racial composition info
How can

"According to the 2010 Census, the racial composition of Mesa was as follows:[21] White: 77.1% (Non-Hispanic Whites: 64.3%) Hispanic or Latino (of any race): 26.5% Black or African American: 3.5% Two or more races: 3.4% Native American: 2.4% Asian: 1.9% (0.5% Filipino, 0.3% Chinese, 0.3% Vietnamese, 0.3% Indian, 0.1% Korean, 0.1% Japanese) Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander: 0.4% Some other race: 5.8%"

and

"As of the census of 2010... The racial make-up of the city was 81.6% White, 2.4% Black or African American, 2.2% Native American, 2.00% Asian, 0.10% Pacific Islander, 9.3% from other races, and 1.30% from two or more races. 24.0% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race."

both be true?  S a u d a d e 7  06:59, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Proposed Update
Hello- I would like to update the "Demographics" section of this article. The article includes information from the 2010 census, while I found demographic information from 2017 on the U.S. Census Bureau website that is updated and more accurate. Would this be an acceptable edit? I've never done it before and I am trying to edit Wikipedia for my ASU class. --Edavidson1220 (talk) 15:11, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Possible edits
Hello everyone, I am very new to the editing feature on wikipedia but I just wanted to share some ideas to include and add in this article about Mesa, AZ. In the Parks and recreation section of the article, where it says golf they mentioned the "numerous championship golf courses. I would suggest perhaps including things to do here as well like for golfing talk about Golfland Mini Golf Course or things in that nature. That was anyone who may be visiting can also use this as a reference to find things to do. Under education, I think it would be important to include the Red for Ed protests that happened here as well. I know that this happened everywhere but this affected different areas in many ways and this article can help share same of the facts about the protests. ChristopherRockers1 (talk) 18:06, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Mesa is one of the best cities to retire in because of many of the same reasons it draws snowbirds to the area—the amazing weather and active lifestyle you can have golfing, hiking, or horseback riding! Its close proximity to Phoenix also allows retirees to enjoy the big city but live more comfortably in the suburbs.