Talk:Messenger (novel)

Year?
Where has it been said that the book takes place in 2073? If one goes by what the Giver said, the book takes place centuries from now, as he mentions overpopulation starving people out. Ayjazz (talk) 10:25, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Symbolism section
needs work, it has a list of unimportant facts from the book. Also, It says for sure the Ruler or w/e they called him was Jonas. It was implied but never said, it was open ended.--206.176.110.227 (talk) 21:03, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

It was, yes, fairly open ended, but I believe Ms. Lowry left it that way for children to use evidence and elaborations to conduct their own image of who Leader was. More times than not, it was probably Jonas, whom they pictured as Leader, in their minds.

Evidence: He rode into the village on a red sled upon arrival. If you read The Giver, you would've known that Jonas fled his community on a red sled with his "brother" Gabriel. What happened to Gabriel, I'm not quite sure.

It was snowing when Jonas arrived at the village. Wintertime; particularly Christmas, I believe. The Giver stated that at the very end. I would quote, but The Giver is currently not in my possession.

In The Giver, when Jonas was training with The Giver, he made the discovery that his eyes were a stark blue, as he began to see color and emotion. His eye color was noted, in fact, in all three of the trilogy; The Giver, Gathering Blue, and Messenger. Gathering Blue: Matty was talking to Kira about how Leader could become a potential husband for her. "His eyes be a very amazing blue." Messenger: Matty was first informed that Leader had a gift. "He had noticed the quality of Leader's pale blue eyes, how they seemed to have a kind of vision most people didn't have."

Lastly, in The Giver, Lowry wrote that Jonas had a gift of seeing beyond. In Messenger, Leader has the gift of seeing beyond. See the resemblance? In addition, when Matty was talking to Leader about his gift, they started sharing what their gift was first used on. Leader explained that his gift first was used on an apple. This occurrence was "documented" I'll say, in The Giver.

On that note, I just had a couple questions for the author of this text. I was just wondering about what you meant when you wrote, "Another main symbol of 'live' is the concept of the Market and trading." What is "live?" Either you simply misspelled "life" or if I seriously missed out on something in the novel. I also wanted to share (though I have done entirely enough of that) that I thought that Market and Trading were more part of a theme, which you briefly stated, but you wrote under symbolism, and seem to consider as symbolism. I just wanted to give feedback; I am still confused, however, on the symbolism of Market and Trading. I also desire to put a little of my thoughts out there as well. I was wondering if anyone caught the irony in which the two villages' auras; Kira's and Matty's, have switched with each other. Kira's used to be hostile and unwelcoming, now Matty's has metamorphosized into that itself.

Anyways, I thought that the book review of Messenger was written very well, extremely eloquent, I must say. Compliments to the author. Brookeworm8 (talk) 19:16, 15 July 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brookeworm8 (talk • contribs) 19:05, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism
I am really not sure, but I think the thing about jonas isnt true. But it is a really nice story — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.99.233.95 (talk) 17:45, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

its an implied thing, considering that giver, gathering blue and messenger, are in the same series. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.118.144.236 (talk) 20:15, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Great Series!
In my class we have read The Giver and Gathering Blue and Lowry has done a fantastic job at concluding both novels and tieing up the loose ends that bothered readers of The Giver such as not knowing what happned to Jonas. And to those who havent read this book yet i strongly suggest you do! The only part that bothered me was that Matty dies, I cried :( . 66.82.9.84 19:49, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Looks Good!
Many of the books that I have been required to read have been bad. This book actually looks good. Very unexpected! (great series guy she says to imagine another ending) 20:41, 25 March 2008

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BetacommandBot (talk) 19:48, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Review
Here's a New York Times review article on Messenger. I don't have time to add it myself, but it could make this page a lot better. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990DE0D71F3DF935A25756C0A9629C8B63

Notability
Does anyone agree with the Notability notice on this page? I noticed that the user who put it on here was only ever active for one day and just went around putting Notability notices on a bunch of books, and that's all. Not sure whether to consider this vandalism or legitimate. 98.243.65.191 (talk) 19:00, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Many edits by 66.206.115.182
Sorry for all the edits. It was like you see something, you fix it, and you see another thing on the same page. 66.206.115.182 (talk) 15:43, 10 September 2012 (UTC)