Talk:Messier 87/GA1


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GA Review
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Reviewer: Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:37, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I'll make straightforward copyedits as I go and post queries below. Please revert if I change meaning inadvertently. Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:37, 14 September 2010 (UTC)


 * "' This is the largest and brightest galaxy within the northern Virgo Cluster, located about 55 million light years away from Earth'' - the way it reads, it isn't clear whether M87 or the Virgo Cluster (or both) is what is 55 million light years from earth. " ✅


 * " Messier 87 galaxy has no distinctive dust lanes.. .'' - do we need the "galaxy" here? Not written as such elsewhere. ✅


 * This identification was confirmed by 1953 - odd wording. You mean "The soruce was confirmed as coming from M87" (?) ✅, reworded.


 * The only known visual observation of the jet was by Russian-American astronomer Otto Struve using the 254 cm (100 in) Hooker telescope - how/why?


 * and may indicate that the black hole has been accelerated by the jet - I don't follow - you mean "moved" or "displeced" or ..what?


 * The Virgo Cluster section could be expanded a little - M87's role in it, closest neighbours etc.

Okay - typing "Messier 87" into the Web of Science search engine yields the following:

1. Title: STRUCTURAL PARAMETERS OF THE MESSIER 87 GLOBULAR CLUSTERS Author(s): Madrid JP, Harris WE, Blakeslee JP, et al. Source: ASTROPHYSICAL JOURNAL  Volume: 705   Issue: 1   Pages: 237-244   Published: NOV 1 2009 Times Cited: 4 2. Title: Radio Imaging of the Very-High-Energy gamma-Ray Emission Region in the Central Engine of a Radio Galaxy Author(s): Acciari VA, Aliu E, Arlen T, et al. Source: SCIENCE  Volume: 325   Issue: 5939   Pages: 444-448   Published: JUL 24 2009 Times Cited: 19 3. Title: A method for deriving accurate gas-phase abundances for the multiphase interstellar galactic halo Author(s): Howk JC, Sembach KR, Savage BD Source: ASTROPHYSICAL JOURNAL  Volume: 637   Issue: 1   Pages: 333-341   Part: Part 1   Published: JAN 20 2006 Times Cited: 11 4. Title: THE MORPHOLOGY OF ELLIPTIC GALAXIES INDIFFERENT ENVIRONMENTS Author(s): DAVOUST E Conference Information: World of Galaxies II Meeting, SEP 05-07, 1994 LYON, FRANCE Source: ASTROPHYSICAL LETTERS & COMMUNICATIONS  Volume: 31   Issue: 1-6   Pages: 183-186   Published: 1995 Times Cited: 0 5. Title: HIGH-RESOLUTION OBSERVATION OF THE OPTICAL JET OF THE GALAXY MESSIER 87 Author(s): LELIEVRE G, NIETO JL, WLERICK G, et al. Source: COMPTES RENDUS DE L ACADEMIE DES SCIENCES SERIE II  Volume: 296   Issue: 23   Pages: 1779-1786   Published: 1983 Times Cited: 12 6. Title: THE HALO GLOBULAR-CLUSTERS OF THE GIANT ELLIPTICAL GALAXY MESSIER 87 Author(s): STROM SE, FORTE JC, HARRIS WE, et al. Source: ASTROPHYSICAL JOURNAL  Volume: 245   Issue: 2   Pages: 416-&   Published: 1981 Times Cited: 123 7. Title: PHOTOMETRIC ANALYSIS OF THE JET IN MESSIER-87 Author(s): DEVAUCOULEURS G, NIETO JL Source: ASTROPHYSICAL JOURNAL  Volume: 231   Issue: 2   Pages: 364-371   Published: 1979 Times Cited: 48 8. Title: LUMINOSITY DISTRIBUTION IN THE CENTRAL REGIONS OF MESSIER-87 - ISOTHERMAL CORE, POINT SOURCE, OR BLACK-HOLE Author(s): DEVAUCOULEURS G, NIETO JL Source: ASTROPHYSICAL JOURNAL  Volume: 230   Issue: 3   Pages: 697-712   Published: 1979 Times Cited: 54 9. Title: ENERGY-DISTRIBUTION OF JET IN MESSIER 87 Author(s): KANEKO N, NISHIMUR.M, TOYAMA K Source: PUBLICATIONS OF THE ASTRONOMICAL SOCIETY OF JAPAN  Volume: 25   Issue: 2   Pages: 175-180   Published: 1973 Times Cited: 5 10. Title: PHOTOMETRY OF OUTER CORONA OF MESSIER 87 Author(s): DEVAUCOU.G Source: ASTROPHYSICAL LETTERS  Volume: 4   Issue: 1   Pages: 17-&   Published: 1969 Times Cited: 22 11. Title: MESSIER-87 - GALAXY OF GREATEST KNOWN MASS Author(s): BRANDT JC, ROOSEN RG Source: ASTROPHYSICAL JOURNAL  Volume: 156   Issue: 2P2   Pages: L59-&   Published: 1969 Times Cited: 18 12. Title: ON SYNCHROTROIN RADIATION FROM MESSIER-87 Author(s): BURBIDGE GR Source: ASTROPHYSICAL JOURNAL  Volume: 124   Issue: 2   Pages: 416-429   Published: 1956 Times Cited: 143 13. Title: POLARIZATION IN THE JET OF MESSIER-87 Author(s): BAADE W Source: ASTROPHYSICAL JOURNAL  Volume: 123   Issue: 3   Pages: 550-&   Published: 1956 Times Cited: 79


 * Why on Earth would you run such a search? For a start, the astronomy databases (ADS, SIMBAD, NED) are far more sensible places to look than WoS. Secondly, there are thousands of papers on M87. Here is a straightforward ADS object search, which found 4238 papers. Even restricting the search to only papers with 'M87' or 'Messier 87' in the title (let alone the abstract) leaves 913 papers . Good luck digesting all of those! Modest Genius talk 16:03, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * (belatedly) I have used WoS for biology articles, my usual area of editing on wikipedia. I am a bit of a neophyte on astronomy articles. But in any case, all of these show some other material worth looking at. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:55, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

1. Well written?:
 * Prose quality: - it's okayish but could do with some tightening
 * Manual of Style compliance:

2. Factually accurate and verifiable?:
 * References to sources:
 * Citations to reliable sources, where required:
 * No original research:

3. Broad in coverage?:
 * Major aspects: - I am sure there is a bunch of material for this article which could be added, particularly on components section.
 * Focused:

4. Reflects a neutral point of view?:
 * Fair representation without bias:

5. Reasonably stable?
 * No edit wars, etc. (Vandalism does not count against GA):

6. Illustrated by images, when possible and appropriate?:
 * Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
 * Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

Overall:
 * Pass or Fail: -I think the best thing is to let this nomination slide for the time being as there is no movement. I am actually interested in doing it myself but can't see that happening for a monht or two, so maybe I will wokr on it and nominate it myself sometime. Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:23, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review Casliber. I'm unclear why it was nominated if there was no interest in correcting the issues.&mdash;RJH (talk) 18:28, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

PS: As a postscript, I think the concerns I raised are fixed now. As I haven't done any active editing. I'm happy to take a closer look and review when put up again. I'll try and give it a shove toward FAC if I can and look to think what else might be of help. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:21, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you again Casliber.&mdash;RJH (talk) 18:34, 10 December 2010 (UTC)


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