Talk:Meta Knight/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: ComputerJA (talk · contribs) 20:44, 7 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I'll review this article and be posting my concerns in the next 1-5 days. Thanks in advance for your work on it! ComputerJA ( ☎  •  ✎  ) 20:44, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Review
This is a well-written article. Thank you for your work on it and for placing it on the Good Article nominations. Below are some of my concerns that need to be addressed before the article passes. They aren't major problems, but I thought I'll post them here and see how we can work things through. This is the first part of the review. I'll be reviewing sources individually for accuracy shortly. Thanks. ComputerJA ( ☎  •  ✎  ) 22:50, 7 August 2013 (UTC)


 * this is exemplified when he gives Kirby a sword with which to fight – Does it say in which videogame? Readers unfamiliar with MK might get the impression that he gives a sword to Kirby every time they fight. Is that true?


 * where he fights Kirby to keep him from taking a piece of the Star Rod and keep it out of Nightmare's hands – Though grammatically correct, the word keep is used twice; may I suggest writing stop him?


 * In Kirby & the Amazing Mirror (2004) – Please link the game. It has an article.


 * Meta Knight also appears in Kirby's Return to Dream Land (2011) – Ditto.


 * as one of the main protagonists (with Kirby, King Dedede, and Waddle Dee) – Please link King Dedede.


 * The latter is the first time his name is revealed – Rewrite: In the latter, his name was revealed for the first time.


 * In Kirby: Right Back at Ya! he is a main character – Year needed.


 * They are warriors who rebelled against Nightmare – Please link Nightmare from the List of Kirby characters.


 * He also appears in two Super Smash Bros. series games – Please link Super Smash Bros. (series).


 * IGN described him as "one of the most enigmatic characters in the Kirby series" – Replace him with Meta Knight because him is used later.


 * He is the 18th-best Nintendo character of all time, according to GameDaily – Link GameDaily.


 * that placed him third on a list of Nintendo characters – Rewrite to: on their list of Nintendo characters.


 * he was listed in the top-five five characters – Remove the repeated five.


 * UGO Networks called Meta Knight is … - Remove the is.


 * Thank you for your excelent review! According to ScrewAttack "He's also an extremely honorable swordsman, only fighting those who can fight back (as seen in the Kirby games where he always gives Kirby a sword so they can duel)", so I assume it's true (even I can't remember if it's). Is any further clarification needed? I've done all your suggestions except for the links you recommended (actually I linked GameDaily). WP:OVERLINK states that "a link should appear only once in an article, but if helpful for readers, links may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, image captions, footnotes, and at the first occurrence after the lead." Kirby & the Amazing Mirror, Kirby's Return to Dream Land, King Dedede, Nightmare, and Super Smash Bros. (series) are all linked before the parts you've cited. It's a personal preference on my part but if you think it's helpful for readers I'll not oppose it. I'll start to work in the second part now. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 00:20, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, sounds good to me. I thought (for some odd reason) that they could be linked twice (once at the lead, if permissible, and on their first occurrence in the paragraphs). Thanks for clarifying. ComputerJA ( ☎  •  ✎  ) 01:00, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Part 2

 * I would like for you to expand the introduction. If you will, please make sure to include his first video game appearance, how he was "nameless" and later got his name, how he fights honorably, plays the role of the rival, and occasionally fights alongside Kirby. Most importantly, however, make sure to include his role in SSBB. I think most people know MK because of that game—oh, and don't forget to include that he's OP (overpowered)!


 * this is exemplified when he gives Kirby a sword with which to fight – According to source 2, MK only fights those who can fight. Consider adding that too b/c that exemplifies his honorable swordsman legacy.


 * He is always seen in a silver mask; beneath it he looks similar to Kirby – This is not found in source 4. Please add a new source that contains this information.


 * (although in Kirby's Return to Dream Land, the wings grow directly from his body) – Not in source 4 and 5.


 * known as the Galaxia Sword – Source does not mention the name of the sword. The closest was Galaxia Darkness, but that is his final smash.


 * (although he has a "Master Sword" (マスターソード Masutā Sōdo?) in Kirby & the Amazing Mirror) – Not in the sources 4 and 5.


 * he has benign intentions – Sources states his aims. Please do so, too. I am sure readers would be curious to read about his good acts.


 * This attitude has led to debate about his allegiances – None of the three sources talk about the supposed debate on MK’s allegiances. The first one only says: Is he a bad guy? Is he a good guy? He's Meta Knight. I would not call that a debate. Consider removing this or finding sources that back this up. I would prefer for you to look for some sources b/c I am sure is some disagreement among video game experts on MK's mysterious role.


 * Dark Meta Knight (an evil-mirror-world version of Meta Knight) – That name is not mentioned in the source. Source says MK was the one that shattered Kirby into pieces.


 * Refs from 24 to 30 are in Japanese, so this needs to be indicated in the source. Please put | language = Japanese to it.


 * They are warriors who rebelled against Nightmare; Meta Knight works for King Dedede to help Kirby and watch over the activities of Nightmare Enterprises. – I translated source 30 (which is in Japanese), and as far as I know, it talks only about the SSBM trophies, not about Nightmare or the stuff mentioned above.

Finishing the review. ComputerJA ( ☎  •  ✎  ) 23:50, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I added what was missing in the lead. In this case someone who can fight back is someone who has a sword, and if his adversary has not a sword he gives one to him fight with it. The "He is always seen in a silver mask; beneath it he looks similar to Kirby" is in the source; to check it you need to click in "Biography" which is below "About This Character". The information is in the third paragraph: "Though most of him is hidden under his stylish cape [...] albeit done up in slightly less friendly colors. Aren't "aim" and "intentions" synonymous? I put "|language=Japanese" in the sources you've mentioned. About his allegiance it's stated in the "Biography" section of IGN profile: "Meta Knight is Kirby’s rival, is how Nintendo usually puts it. He’s not necessarily a bad guy, although he often shows up in the company of King Dedede and the other less savory inhabitants of Dream Land" and "His loyalties seem just as confusing in his Super Smash Bros. appearance as they are in the Kirby adventures"; ScrewAttack says "All the time playing, I couldn’t tell if he was a friend or a foe"; beyond what you have already cited but if necessary I can search for other sources. I replaced the source for "Dark Meta Knight", and it calls him "One shattered mirror and a dark version of Meta Knight". The other sentences you pointed are WP:FILMPLOT so they are "acceptable without reference to an outside source." Gabriel Yuji (talk) 01:30, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Article passes. Congratulations. I'm glad to see an important video game character make it through in GA! Cheers, ComputerJA ( ☎  •  ✎  ) 04:23, 8 August 2013 (UTC)