Talk:Meta Sudans

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 * "NO, it appears on Titus' 80-81 Colosseum re-dedication sestertius; Meta S. depicted as whole, but even if not fully completed by 81, certainly before 89-96!"

Comment introduced in dubious tag by User:Arminden in September 2020, and moved here by ColinFine (talk) 23:03, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

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 * "NO, it is mentioned by Seneca in Ep. 56.4, so it must have stood before AD 65"

Comment introduced in a second dubious tag by IP 138.88.136.4 in July 2022, and moved here by ColinFine (talk) 23:03, 8 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Seneca the Younger died in 65 CE.
 * Here is the text the note refers to:
 * Moral letters to Lucilius: Letter 56. From: A Loeb Classical Library edition, published in 3 volumes between 1917-1925. Translation: Richard M. Gummere. Via Wikisource, see here.
 * Words seem to distract me more than noises; for words demand attention, but noises merely fill the ears and beat upon them. Among the sounds that din round me without distracting, I include passing carriages, a machinist in the same block, a saw-sharpener near by, or some fellow who is demonstrating with little pipes and flutes at the Trickling Fountain,[footnote] shouting rather than singing.
 * Footnote: A cone-shaped fountain, resembling a turning-post (meta) in the circus, from which the water spouted through many jets; hence the "sweating" (sudans). Its remains may still be seen now not far from the Colosseum on the Velia.
 * In Latin see here:
 * In his quae me sine avocatione circumstrepunt essedas transcurrentes pono et fabrum inquilinum et serrarium vicinum, aut hunc qui ad Metam Sudantem tubulas experitur et tibias, nec cantat sed exclamat:...
 * Google translation:
 * "Among those things which surround me without advocation, I place the passing beings, and the inmate carpenter and the neighboring sawyer, or this one who tries out the pipes and pipes for the Sweating Goal [Meta Sudans], and does not sing but exclaims:..."
 * Arminden (talk) 11:55, 14 November 2023 (UTC)