Talk:Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater

CQC
The link for this seems to have little to nothing to do with the CQC fighting style used in the game. Opinions? Spartan198 (talk) 21:45, 14 July 2008 (UTC) Spartan198

Okay, since no one seems to have any thoughts on it, I'm removing the link, as it has nothing to do with Naked Snake's fighting style. Spartan198 (talk) 21:44, 7 October 2008 (UTC) Spartan198

Crab battle
I think that the Newgrounds flash Crab Battle should be mentioned in this articial along with any other videos simular to it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GamerSam (talk • contribs) 15:21, 9 March 2007 (UTC). Not gunna happen, could probably stick it in the Trivia bit though. Its a popular movie.SuperBorisOnAPlane 21:14, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, the newgrounds "Crab battle" flash cartoon is hilarious to pretty much anyone who has ever played MGS3. But where would you list the cartoon? Popular culture references I guess. --Richco07 16:03, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I doubt that an online flash animation would count as a "popular reference". I could be wrong, but I'd advise that it isn't added to the article. -- Razor ICE  16:21, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Agree. – Steel 16:22, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, the reason why I would say so is because it is one of the top flashes of Newgrounds.com. Newgrounds is the premier flash website. Having sold god knows how many copies of "Alien Hominid" and given an interview on G4 TV.--Richco07 15:58, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm in favour of leaving Crab Battle out, on the grounds it's about as funny as suffering a rectal prolapse. Optimus Sledge 23:42, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know, I would laugh pretty hard if you had a prolapse. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.80.233.19 (talk) 18:40, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree. A prolapse would be hilarious. Richco07 (talk) 17:30, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * If I had to do it all over again, I'd do it over you.Optimus Sledge (talk) 23:00, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Please....
Add interwiki >ca:Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater.

Bye!

Setting
So where exactly in the USSR is MGS3 set? I can't think offhand of any areas of Russia proper that would be jungle like in the game, is it possibly set in a satellite nation, is my knowledge of Russian geography off, or did the developers just take a bit of artistic license here?albrozdude 05:10, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Ironically tropical wetland (I believe is the encompassing term for Jungle/rain forest etc) is the only type of climate zone that is not in Russia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.230.146.135 (talk) 01:23, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

It is set in a fictional area of the USSR. Cant remember where, but I remember reading it.--Richco07 16:16, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The game is set in Tselinoyarsk (a fictional location in the center of the USSR).Ffgamera (talk) 12:09, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Actually, if you pay close attention to the map at the beginning, Tselinoyarsk is not far north of the Russia-Kazakhstan border. Regardless, it is still a fictional location. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.141.212.84 (talk) 04:17, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Citation
Here is a website for the citation. [] INFORM  A  TION CENT  E  R  ( T  •  C ) 04:22, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Metal Gear Online,Europe
The servers aren't closing on OCtober 30th,i would fix this but im a bit busy, can someone put is the server online as of (whatever the date you edited on?). cause someone put are closing. when the Japanese and North American Servers are offline and european one is the only one online. so i dont see why there is a are. NEVER MINDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Checked the site,the servers are ending... sorry xD

According to VGChartz it has sold 3.96 million.
http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=1328--IHaveADollar 09:15, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * VG Chartz isn't reliable since they pull their numbers out of their ass, and then when REAL numbers get released they change them (although most of the numbers are not relialbe.  TJ   Spyke   03:42, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Cover art
Cover art picture in the infobox is messed up. It's in ridiculous resolution and the source is incorrect. --Mika1h (talk) 11:12, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * A user had reverted to the Japanese version. I've reverted back to original North American boxart. Strongsauce (talk) 11:26, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually it's PAL region cover art, but whatever, good it's fixed. --Mika1h (talk) 12:10, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Whoops you are right. But still no reason to have changed it in the first place (although personally I like that cover better)Strongsauce (talk) 14:32, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I've protected the image to stop people fiddling with it. – Steel 14:44, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The PAL image is Naked Snake pointing a gun in the same detail as the MGS2 cover art (NA, PAL) Ffgamera (talk) 10:06, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Redirection
Right now I notice that if you search Metal Gear 3 it takes you to the original Metal Gear Solid, I think some one should fix it so that it takes you to this page. I don't know how. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.230.146.135 (talk) 01:25, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

PC
Is it significant enough to note that this is the first game in the series to not have a PC port? 162.40.26.77 (talk) 21:38, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope. --Golbez (talk) 22:15, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

EVA's name- Why capitalized?
Why is EVA capitalized? Is it an acronym? Thanks. JovBlackheart (talk) 21:04, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

It is in the game. Snake4324 (talk) 17:19, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Prison Cell Mini-game
on the off chance that this is worth mentioning in the article: i was playing the game, and got to the bit where Snake is locked in a prison cell, and passes out as a result of injuries/falls asleep (can't remember, this was years ago). i saved the game, shut down and went away for a few days. when i got back i started up the game, but when it loaded, it was a different game, where all you did was control a player as he battles innumerable monsterish creatures armed only with a katana. after doing this for a while, the creatures surround the player and kill him. then it is revealed that the mini-game was actually Snake having a nightmare and he awakens to the prison cell.

58.161.68.203 (talk) 15:43, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Seems like the only people contributing and editing this page are wikigeeks who haven't actually played the game, glad to know at least one of you did. Beat it in a week. Bought it for $60, tried to sell it back a week later, brand new otherwise, $10, they finally gave me $20 when I threw in my save card and helped them write a cheat. Bastards. I remember being so disappointed because I'd also bought the ps2 modem adapter, expecting some kind of MMP version, only to find out after spending two hours just trying to get an account and get the damn modem to work that all they give you is a Santa outfit. Yes, EVA is an acronym, they explain it in the game, she is behind it all, is in effect Big Boss. Metal Gear itself was real, a cold war era program, involving the military industrial complex, Lockheed, operation paperclip and the Nazis, in which a third party to the Soviets and US, think Bond's nemesis in Spectre, was trying to sell both mobile-tank based nuclear launchers. This was part of a plan to have soldiers on LSD who could be cohersed through mass panic during an attack, and the pentagon was planning on winning a nuclear war on US soil, Big Bertha, the nuclear missile train, is the last remnant. TACOM was also working with RCA to build computer driven tanks, think drones. They still have a plan on the books from then to convert 1/3 of all DoD vehicles to unmanned, including tanks. This was the inspiration for Darpa's race across the desert, which Google won, and out of which their self-driving car program was based. So, is Metal Gear 5: The Phantom Pain finally coming out? How many times do you have to kill that dude? I've killed him in three versions and he just keeps coming back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.65.199 (talk) 12:19, 1 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Snake`s nightmare is a player-activated event that only take place after certain conversations and actions and has zero relevance to the plot, it doesn`t belong in the article. Zidane tribal (talk) 05:49, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

but its still worth mentioning it should be put as an easter egg or something like the snakes in the last boss battle —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.56.197.57 (talk) 07:31, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Reference material
While digging through the online print archive, I located the following print preview material for this game: One or more print reviews for this game may also be found in the archive. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 16:30, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Electronic Gaming Monthly Partial Interview
 * Xbox Nation Interview
 * Electronic Gaming Monthly Interview
 * GameNOW Preview
 * GMR Preview
 * GMR Preview 2
 * Game Informer Preview
 * Game Informer Preview 2

Separate article for Metal Gear Solid: Snake Eater 3D
I believe that a separate article should be created for the Nintendo 3DS version of this game. Several other 3DS remakes have their own pages (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D, Star Fox 64 3D, and Super Street Fighter 4: 3D Edition all have their own separate pages. Also Snake Eater 3D has its own differences from the PS2 version (such as use of the touch screen and the new camouflage creation with the 3DS camera) that warrants a separate page. Richiekim (talk) 06:20, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for bringing the discussion to the talk page. In my experience, the proper progression of events is to first expand the section in this article until it gets long enough to split into its own article. As far as I could see, the info you included in the split could have been summarized in a few sentences and left here, rather than fork the info elsewhere. As for the other 3DS remakes, see WP:OSE. Each article should be considered on its own merits. In fact, I don't believe Star Fox 3D can justify its own article either and I'll be seeing to it getting merged back in. Axem Titanium (talk) 14:38, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

1960s Soviet jungle
Yay! We have jungle! Now tell me where it is, quickly. Or did it mutate since the 60s? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.195.228.89 (talk) 02:18, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

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Section on Analyses of MGS3
At the risk of sounding pedantic, would it be possible to talk and organize a well written (and monitored) section (under the Reception header, possibly) of the critical analyses Snake Eater has had over the years, both of its narrative and game design? I say this not only to encourage the diaspora of game design, but also highlight and exemplify the supposed strong qualities this game has, evident by its strong review scores, and cultural legacy in and outside of the Metal Gear fan community. For being recognized culturally as one of the best games of all time (as said by the page itself!), I think talking of the game's complexities and artistic influences is important in establishing the significance of the title.

As for a source we could reference: Despite Youtube content being generally shunned upon by Wikipedia (with some exceptions), I think it is important to discuss exceptions or alternatives to providing efficient, academic, or well researched or valid sources through videos that are publicly watchable on massively reaching sites. As mainstream gaming journalism is less focused on editorial and analyses but rather news, I think George Wiedman's video essay (under the Youtube alias of Super Bunnyhop) of Metal Gear Solid 3 is worth discussing for potential citing given its researched, realized, and inter-textual nature that highlights the game's overall strengths as well as the possible influences creator Hideo Kojima had when developing the game. In other words, just because it's a Youtube video I absolutely do not believe it should be counted out as a valid source, potentially.

I'd like to hear genuine thoughts on the matter, especially constructive ones! All-Spice (talk) 22:46, 29 August 2017 (UTC)All-Spice

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Featured article in need of review
Putting another part of my childhood on review, after Super Mario 64, but this is another old promotion that for some reason, no one has put in review. HumanxAnthro (talk) 00:50, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
 * The lead is too short, as it doesn't bring up the game's development, awards, sequels, and re-releases.
 * "Considered one of the greatest video games of all time"? I've only seen one best-of-all-time game list cited in the body, and other rankings are for games specifically released for the PS2.
 * The citations and their formatting are a fucking freak show! There are so many sources missing author, date, and other information credited in those sources, and many citations are formatted incorrectly, such as not italicizing name of works and having the name of the works, for no reason, being in the title field. Additionally, IMDb is cited constantly in the Music section, and one citation near the article's end HumanxAnthro (talk) 00:50, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Ref 145 is a WP:COPYLINK violation. It's a trailer uploaded by a Youtube channel that doesn't own it.
 * I haven't looked at the prose in depth, but the development section indicate no one has checked the entire article in a while. For example:
 * "The love scene between Naked Snake and EVA was inspired by the first Pink Panther." First Pink Panther what?
 * "Kojima asked Yoji Shinkawa to make Naked Snake similar to Solid Snake. However, unlike Solid Snake, Naked Snake was a rookie and thus acted more naive. Shinkawa stated he had no difficulties in designing Naked Snake as essentially a revised version of Solid Snake. As a result, Naked Snake is virtually identical to Solid Snake from the previous Metal Gear Solid games in terms of appearance." So many questions in my head, such little time.
 * "Initially, the game was supposed to be developed for the PlayStation 3, but due to the long wait for the PlayStation 3, the game was developed for the PlayStation 2 instead." Redundant and stuffed
 * "Kojima designed the boss battles of Snake Eater to be totally different from those in previous Metal Gear games, or any other games." (1) Why are we using "totally"? Are we in the 90s? (2) Specify, how are they different?
 * "distinctly Bond-like vocal track" What the hell does this mean?
 * The reception section is so flawed
 * The ratings in the side template don't have citations.
 * It fails to present the fuck-ton of contemporaneous reviews of this game, yet only five have their opinions presented in full.
 * There are parts that are basically repetitive lists of ratings and awards. "[Insert source here] scored it [insert in rating her]," "The game won [insert award here] at [insert award ceremony here]," "In [insert year], [Insert source name here] ranked it one of the [insert ranking] best games." They're unengaging to read and could be presented more concisely.
 * Actually, listing awards and review ratings in prose violates the Manual of Style as is unnecessary as we already have a template to present them.
 * Speaking of incompleteness, I think there's a lot more of the commentary in the development section to cite than those three citations.
 * I think the re-releases and remasters, given that they garnered many reviews upon their release and are difficult to navigate as single sections, would work far better as separate articles.

Merge Setting with Story under the Plot section
'Setting' (under 'Plot' heading) is extremely short, only two sentences:

"Snake Eater takes place in an alternate history of events, set within the Cold War during the 1960s. The game's story acts as a prequel to the Metal Gear series, exploring the origins of several events covered by previous games, as well as being the first chronological chapter in an overarching story of Big Boss."

I believe these few details should be added to the 'Story' section in an effort to make it more concise and the article look cleaner.

Something like, "In an alternate version of the 1960s, during the Cold War--" then continue. The bit about it acting as a prequel to the series is already explained near the top of the page: "and serves as a prequel to the entire Metal Gear series". What do you think? Caidren (talk) 16:35, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

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Split?
Should we split the newly announced MGS Δ into a new article, and the MGS master collection? or does it fall under WP:TOOSOON? CadNav (talk) 20:54, 27 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Nevermind, someone made a draft and it got denied because it was WP:TOOSOON CadNav (talk) 00:11, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

"Joe Vento"
I went to the plot section of the article and for some reason it has the word "joe vento" at the top, what is the meaning of that exactly? Yeial (talk) 14:28, 3 November 2023 (UTC)