Talk:Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots/Archive 3

Naomi Hunter
Is Naomi Hunter even mentioned in Metal Gear Solid 2? If not it should probably be fixed in the article's Gameplay section. Blank2416:19, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Boss in the mg mkII hud
There's a newly added referance in the main article to the voice actress of Boss being listed in the HUD of the Metal Gear Mark II robot thingy in one of the trailers. He says the infamous grave is suspected to hers.

This data is likely to be removed in a matter of minutes by the delete-hungry people that obay the letter of the rules not the spirit.

Obviously it should be deleted because it's uncited and the grave thing is pure speculation. But I for one would like to see a screenshot of this data. If it's really there then I think it's well worth mentioning.

Even if it's not refered to as a hint that Boss may be a relevant character.. (Which would have it removed by all those flying the flag of Wiki:Not Crystal Ball) ....it can still be mentioned as trivia or a fanservice nod to the previous games much like Johnny Sasaki or Raikov. There's trivia on the XMen 2 page saying how it mentions Remmy LaBaux (AKA Gambit) on a computer list in one scene, so names that only a fan would recognise have been used as trivia before. (Before the NoFancruft people come in and delete this from the talk page)

So yeah, is there a screenshot of this? Simondrake 23:20, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I remember a shot of Snake saluting the grave being used as his picture on the Solid Snake page. If you drude through the history of that page you may come across it

†he Bread 02:26, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I've seen that picture, it's quite a prominant scene in the trailer. I was after the shot of the HUD showing the boss's VO's name. I seem to remember the page on Spiderman 3 had a picture of the poster which zoomed in on the reflection in Spiderman's eye to highlight the supposed reflection of the Green Goblin. (Which, by the way I couldn't see it looked like a cloud to me) So cropped pictures have been mooted as evidence in the past, even if it was dismissed as being wrong.Simondrake 03:03, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

360 Version Speculated
Saw it on Digg, confirmed ?

Digg?

Kojima said there probably won't be one

†he Bread 00:49, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Based on this; I'm going to remove the reference. Hempeater 01:35, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Based on this, I think it should be put back in as a rumour since it does seem to have some validity.
 * Err, that's no more conclusive than the original version, it just has more speculation attached to it. I'd say Konami's flat-out denial underlines the veracity of the rumour at this stage. Sockatume 20:15, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I was just browsing and saw the 360 rumor, and tried to edit it saying that it has been debunked, but it wasn't working for me; as Sockatume said, Konami and Hideo Kojima have publicly dismissed the idea that it is happening. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.227.55.211 (talk) 05:42, 25 December 2006 (UTC).

why don't you have the 360 version put down as a rumor o the game development?--GamerSam 13:58, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Because it's a rumor and a pretty unfounded one at that, people just started speculating


 * †he Bread 3000 05:54, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots on the Xbox 360 has pretty much been debunked. Kojima stated in an interview that the Xbox 360 simply doesn't have the capabilities to run MGS4. http://kotaku.com/gaming/go307/feature-talkin-metal-gear-with-hideo-kojima-248695.php. (Myscrnnm 22:48, 12 May 2007 (UTC))


 * I dont think thats the real reason. Xbox 360 can handle more than the ps3 when you get into the really deep hardware. Sonys buying them out.


 * Trust me, it's the real reason. The PlayStation is technologically superior to the Xbox 360 in almost every aspect. It has a CPU that's twice as powerful, a GPU that's 50% more powerful, dedicated VRAM, larger HDD, higher-capacity storage mediumd, et cetera. Sony isn't buying them out, Konami is owning Kojima Productions for the foreseeable future.(Myscrnnm 10:42, 21 May 2007 (UTC))


 * Praytell, why are games that appear on both systems deemed inferior in regards to the PlayStation 3's version almost 100% of the time? This is Wikipedia, please try not to be so biased.Vegetable4 17:30, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Because, as many multi-platform developers have said on several occasions, developing games for the 360 and porting them to the PS3 is more difficult than the other way around. And since the 360 has a more accessible SDK (easier to program for), most developerss end up choosing that route. It has nothing to do with the superiority or inferiority of either console. Though, from a technical standpoint, the PS3 does have more advanced hardware.


 * Based on sony's inflated figures. Hate to rain on your console guy's parade but the cell processor is not 2x more powerful than the x360 cpu. That assumption can only be made by looking at floating point numbers and those are ALWAYS exaggerated. As for the gpu, my understanding was that the xbox360 had a better gpu and since the gpu completely wrecks flop numbers anyway its not fair to make these sort of unsubstantiated claims. Besides the architecture of the gpu and cpu are completely different and extremely hard to compare apples to apples, unlike say an e6600 and a 5000x2 which are both x86_64 or w/ever the naming convention is. As for ram, amount is more important than speed at this level, if you have 4 gigs then yes, speed matters, but 512mb is silly to argue about a rather small difference in bandwidth in the grand scheme of things. Lets be honest, my e6600 and 8800ultra and 2 gigs of ram makes a more powerful system than either console, but for a dedicated gaming machine, its not exactly in the lead as far as the mainstream gamer goes. The reason MGS4 will or wont be on 360 is all to do with MONEY. If konami sees money to be made elsewhere, you better believe they will go elsewhere.


 * Wow you guys are really smart..... But i wish you were smart enough to take this argument to the Cell proccessor page though. ~Corpse 12:29, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Linkspammers
I'd like to request that the MG forums some idiot keeps linkspamming into MGS articles be blacklisted- they have 65 members (count 'em), and are not a useful addition to Wikipedia. My last ten edits have been removing that linkspam!

The problem is happening all over the MG pages, MPO especially

†he Bread 21:24, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I've told the board admin (who is the one linkspamming the boards, by his own admission) to cease it, but he's having none of it. Blacklist candidate, IMO. Hyperspacey 01:56, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Go ahead, I agree totally

†he Bread 02:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I informed the admin that originally blocked him regarding his latest posts as an anon, IP address user. You could nominate the site yourself or wait for the admin to do it for you (which seems the likeliest move given his unapologetic stance). Sockatume 02:49, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Given the non-massive nature of the spamming, I'm not going to put it up for blacklisting yet. I'll give him until Sunday to grow some grey-matter. Hyperspacey 02:55, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, the forum admin flew into the lord of all hissy fits when I suggested I'd nominate the site for the blacklist, locked the topic I was using, and declared he didn't care while cursing me like a sailor. Gigglesnort. End of problem as far as I'm concerned, unless he starts up again. Hyperspacey 17:56, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


 * His original account and his IP address have both been issued with temporary bans which seem to have dissuaded him. He was similarly spamming the Final Fantasy pages with his sister forum. I've got his details handy so if he resumes I'll get him back on Requests for Admin Intervention. Sockatume 18:07, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I had a word with him via PM, and he's apologised- he hopes he won't have any future beef with us and is going to stop the updates. I'm guessing it's another goon who's doing the current spamming. Hyperspacey 16:42, 24 November 2006 (UTC)


 * He came back and immediately started spamming again on Thursday or thereabouts, so now he's perma-banned. Sockatume 02:10, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * We've got some IP users too, I've warned them and will be keeping tabs so I can make a more conclusive case for having the site blacklisted.Sockatume 02:19, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Please read this article as Kojima clearly state there is no 360 version, he even compares the ps3 to other systems kotaku.com/gaming/go307/feature-talkin-metal-gear-with-hideo-kojima-248695.php

EGM Says MGS4 will be released for Xbox 360
Don't you think it would be worth noting in this article that EGM Magazine points out that reliable sources are saying that Kojima-san is being asked by Konami management to create Metal Gear Solid 4 for the Xbox 360 because it is the sales leader this generation. I think it would be a good idea to at least include information like that from a reliable source like EGM. User:mike_mgoblue 06:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Sales leader? The PS3 has been out for two weeks, it's no surprise. If the mag doesn't give it's source, we can't use the mag as proof of the possibility of Kojima considering a 360 version. Even if it did, we'd only have proof of the possibility of a version, which is too vague to be included IMO.

Update: Now that it's June 20, 2007, we can safely say that the Xbox 360 is in fact the sales leader. Xbox 360 is over 8 million systems ahead of the Playstation 3. Even if you want to compare the two systems at similar points in their lives, the PS3 has only sold 3 million systems, while the Xbox 360 had sold over 5 million systems.


 * Yeah, I think that information is too vague to put down also. INFORMATION CENTER©  talk contribs 04:38, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * It was in the rumours mill of the magazine —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.70.59.48 (talk) 02:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC).


 * EGM also said that MGS would be released on the dreamcast. 24.115.62.192 23:31, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It was! ;) --Dreaded Walrus 09:40, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Emulators doesn't count as an 'official release.'Eaglestorm 02:04, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

The website of Kojima productions says that the game is for PS3 so i`m going to erase XB360 and Wii until further info comes Zidane tribal 21:53, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

EGM isn't reliable.


 * No, EGM said that it was a rumour. But again, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots on the Xbox 360 has been debunked by Kojima in an interview. http://kotaku.com/gaming/go307/feature-talkin-metal-gear-with-hideo-kojima-248695.php. (Myscrnnm 22:49, 12 May 2007 (UTC))

The EGM article was false. It was just a reprint of when IGN had the article saying that Metal Gear Solid 2 would be coming to the Xbox with more content. They just replaced PS2 with PS3, Xbox with Xbox 360, Metal Gear Solid 2 with Metal Gear Solid 4 and stuff like that. Starwarsrulez 02:25, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

"In the year 2015"...
While the game most likely is set in or around 2015, we need a source- last time someone started posting an exact date, it resulted in a revert war and the date only being proven through a calculation in the Talk page, which sadly falls under Original Research (boo). Hyperspacey 13:08, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Kojima said at E3 that Snake is 43, so we could change the date to something about Snake's age and people can figure it out for themselves (provide a date for MGS2 aswell).

†he Bread 22:18, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * It's still a bit close to OR (we provide all the info and simply leave out the actually calculation), but it might work. I'm sure some whiley fansite has done the maths already though, and we could probably reference it off the back of that for added support. Hyperspacey 10:57, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Nothing can be gained from calculating ages since it doesn't all fit. Kojima had to tweak the timelines to make it fit better, people don't age at the proper rate (Even ignoring Solid and Solidus' rapid aging). So even if we managed to find a citable website that used the dates to calculate what year this game is set then it's likely someone will come along and complain that it doesn't fit with their calculation because all the ages and dates Kojima's given don't line up properly. I forget the exact problems but I think it's something to do with Big Boss looking like Sean Connery in MG1 but looking like he does in MGS3 set only ten years sooner...or something. Either way it's original research and doesn't belong here.  I think it's best to just wait for more information, he won't leave us guessing forever. Simondrake 15:03, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * MG1 was set in 1995, 29 years after Snake Eater, so Big Boss's aging is ok. The old subsitence website had all the dates up to the plant mission of MGS2, I don't know if it is still there though


 * †he Bread 23:35, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * At the end of MGS3, it tells you that Solid Snake was born in 1972. Therefore, if Kojima said he's 43, the game takes place in 2015.  No original research is required, unless you call a simple addition problem "original research." Nanten 01:42, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Technically, it would be OR, if you were being pedantic (lord help you if Sockatume shows up to discuss the matter). I do recall a complete MGS timeline being posted a while ago, no doubt it's been cribbed by a fansite. I'll source it tomorrow. Hyperspacey 03:45, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * A good comparison I can bring up is Ocelot being The Boss's son. It's not explicitly stated but evidence is shown that it's a possibility. Stating that Ocelot is indeed The Boss's son is technically Original Research. That could be applied here, too. Cite statements of both Snake's birthyear and age in the game, and it could be valid. - Zero1328 Talk? 08:53, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * What it should say on the Ocelot page is something like "It is strongly implied that Ocelot is The Boss's son" with both quotes as refs, I'm keeping off the Ocelot page until I get MPO, but if you say something like that, yes it will be ok


 * There's nothing to indicate that MGS4 takes place in 2015 under than fan-conjecture based on a statement by Kojima. The last official timeline released by Kojima Productions (which was posted in a Famitsu Wave DVD interview), only indicates that MGS4 takes place several (undisclosed) years after MGS2. Jonny2x4 19:40, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * †he Bread 01:17, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The Ocelot/Boss bit is in MGS3:SE but you're right it needs to be worded cleverly to dodge OR rules. Simondrake 10:33, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, while there's now a reference for the 2015 date, it seems (from the wording) like the plot summary it gives it might be lifted from this article! Oh dear, circular citing. My head hurts. Hyperspacey 14:32, 31 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Just a point to make out; the year 2015 may not be strictly correct. After all, based on his age, it may be 2015 or 2016... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 144.173.6.66 (talk) 22:22, 20 January 2007 (UTC).

The only mentioning of date that I saw was at the beginning of the trailer say it was 10 years after the Big Shell incident Meaning MGS4 would have to be around 2017 or 2019


 * That was the variable "x", not the numeral. Jonny2x4 05:43, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

360 Fanboy Just Messed Up The Page
Someone higher should not allow this page to be edited by non-registered users. User:Nobody 12:00, 21 December 2006


 * Only an admin can do that, I'll get in contact with one and see what we can do


 * †he Bread 22:20, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

why don't you just block his ip he's done it serveral times before. I removed the "on the playstation 2" remark the point of the quote was with regards to things senced with other sences besides sight.

English Voice Actors
Do we have any info on the english voice cast? I'd really like to see David Hayter and the rest of the original cast reprise their roles. PowderedToastMan 06:49, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

No

†he Bread 3000 07:03, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I believe only Hayter confirmed he was reprising his role (at a comic con last year), but we'll get a full cast-list soon enough I dare say. Hyperspacey 03:24, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Release Date?
Should we amend the release date? Konami recently released a line-up of their 2007 releases and i didn't see MGS4 on there.

A possible suggestion that MGS isn't going to be released this year? Alpha Five 10:50, 21 February 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alpha Five (talk • contribs) 10:50, 21 February 2007 (UTC).

Wanna link to said line-up? I'd like to see if it's geniune, and if it's a Fiscal Year End release schedule (which would rule out any title not due to release after March). Hyperspacey 02:36, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Could just leave the release as TBA?

I cant really see it coming out before 2008 anyway. SuperBorisOnAPlane 11:28, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Here is just one source for the 2007 line-up. Doesn't mention anything about which financial year it's due in.Alpha Five 18:21, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, interest if not conclusive- they list the formats for the software in the list and PS3 doesn't even get a mention- but we should keep an eye out for an official announcement. Officially, it's still on for '07. Hyperspacey 19:04, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Release Date: September 30, 2007 Sources: Best Buy PreOrder http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10075759&catid=24366 FutureShop PreOrder http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0665000FS10075759&catid=24299&logon=&langid=EN# User:gelato 04:00, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Retailers are not reliable sources. Their goal is to get pre-orders, obviously, so they can list any release date they please to sucker more sales. Metal Gear Solid 3, announced as a 2004 title from the start, wasn't released in September 2003, as many retailers like EB Games listed, to use one example. - DoubleCross 18:33, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Big Boss
I was going to add the Speculation section under MGS4. here's what i was going to add:

In each game conference release, The Metal Gear Solid 4 trailers have a small revelation withing them, in the Tokyo Game Conference 2006 the epilogue of the movie featured a character similar (if not the same) to that of Metal Gear Solid 3's Big Boss Protagonist As the events in Metal Gear Solid 4 take place after those of the Outer Heaven incident Big Boss is rumored to be an Antagonist.

Go forward?The Itchy One 17:47, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


 * To quote Wikipedia policy, SPECULATION = DO NOT WANT. Facts only. Hyperspacey 04:10, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I`m not sure how you figure this out but Big Boss (Jack) is nearly sixty he is dead and frozen, how can he be the antagonist, and how can he be younger?, if you know anything that i don`t please explain. Zidane tribal 23:53, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Big Boss is nearly 70 and dead and his evil ass isn't comming back. Stop speculating and adding it to the page.

†he Bread 3000 05:46, 18 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Big Boss is dead and more importantly Hideo Kojima has confimed that the main character is Solid Snake. And since it's been confirmed it's accurate until more information is revealed and thats what the article will say- Solid Snake.  However, there is a lot of speculation out there (And not just on this talk page) about who the main character might be.  While that speculation is obviously not referencable and not encyclopedic and should never ever be in this article as has been discussed a thousand times... but a reference to the fact there has been speculation is possible.  Something along the lines of "There has been some speculation amongst fans as to who the main character is but Hideo Kojima has confirmed that the person in the trailers is Solid Snake."  On the DragonballZ Budokai Tenkaichi 2 page they had a piece of code like a comment that said something like "Don't edit this section" to stop fanboys pissing about with it. I wonder if that could work here... Trouble is it might encourage people to add more about the speculation which is bad, there should be no speculation on the page but there can be a reference to the fact people have been speculating.Simondrake 13:52, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Those usually work, I'll add one


 * †he Bread 3000 08:33, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

....uhhhh................ Big Boss has only one eye ;D Zerocannon 13:14, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, if there is a way to, unfroze him, revive him, and make him young, the eye thing should be easy Zidane tribal 20:09, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, It's already true that it's extremely unlikely that it's Big Boss. First off, Big Boss is more of a cigar man. He only has his left eye. Since the game takes place in... 2015(?),and he was like 30 in MGS3 (1964), he would be like in his 80s at that point in time. MGS1 revealed that his body is frozen (probably still at the age of around 65, when he died). Oh, and to whoever said Big Boss was evil... replay the MGS games. There is no good or evil in MGS, just a difference of opinions and circumstances.

Big Boss could be in MGS4. Liquid could've revived him, or may even appear as a ghost (assuming Solid Snake can see ghosts, like his father) to share a moment with his son.

But as for the main character? Nah, that's Solid Snake.


 * As you said, differences in opinion, IMO he's an evil asshole who was too weak to fight for a good cause. I take it you're a Big Boss fanboy who can't hack that he's no hero.


 * †he Bread 3000 07:49, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, if you've ever played Metal Gear or Metal Gear 2 (I mean the original MSX or NES versions, NOT Metal Gear Solid), it makes it pretty obvious that he's evil. 68.184.150.249 02:39, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

While this is all exciting speculation and opinion, can it go somwhere else? Unless we're adding "The Evil Big Boss' Son Solid Snake" into the article or something. Hyperspacey 16:55, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Could we add a section in the article that discusses the trailers? therefore you can say the main character is solid snake but there is also an unknown character that looks like a young big boss? (Bigandyc 02:53, 25 April 2007 (UTC))

USER UNREGISTERED: EKISOM It could be quite logical for the main character in MGS4 to be BigBoss himself, a lot of the content within the trailers suggests consistencies between Old Snake, BigBoss(naked snake). From what i have read and understood i shall enumerate as much consistencies and inconsistencies as i have seen them. After which it would become speculative to assume that Old Snake in MGS4 is Solid Snake. To add the fact that Kojima Productions has a history of misleading their audience with trailers like what they did with MGS2: Sons of Liberty, only to find themselves playing a raiden character after purchasing the actual MGS2 game.

Consistencies: 1.) BigBoss would be quite closer to the age of Revolver Ocelot (MGS4 Liquid Ocelot) who is quite old comparable to old snake in MGS4 trailer. 2.) if Solid Snake is indeed Old Snake, Meryl Silverburg would look like an old hag instead of a young beauty of a FOXHOUND unit. 3.)Raiden should also age and look somewhat at least as old as Old Snake, same goes with Otacon. 4.) E3 trailer showed a much younger Snake getting crapped by birdies who looks closer to the ages of meryl, otacon, raiden. 5.)TGS 2006 TRAILER SHOWS OLD SNAKE SALUTING A PATRIOT'S GRAVE IDENTICAL TO THE ENDING SCENE IN MGS3:SNAKE EATER (The Boss' grave) 6.) Roy Campbell, i could not get enough history/background on him but i assume he's also the same age as BigBoss as evidenced in MPO.

Inconsistencies: 1.) BigBoss is dead, i dont recall seeing his body in any of the other series. 2.) His right eye was damaged (couldv been repaired in modern times). 3.)The trailer referred to him as solid snake. 4.) Hideo-chan confirmed it but he's a liar. no punn intended hehehe also, MGS4 seems to be going towards a multiple playable main character direction. 5.) what else? i'm out of inconsistencies. 6.) i'm biased and i want it to be BigBoss, so does Hideo-san, he's too precious to him. [5:00PM MAY 18, 2007]


 * Okay, listen, and listen good. If you pay attention to the series, you know that the cloning technology in the 1970's was very flawed.  Solid Snake's genetic structure started breaking down, which caused him to age significantly faster than he should.  That being said, that's why he's older than the rest of the characters that were around his age in the previous games.  It's also very possible that the game takes place during different time periods.  This is speculation, but it's possible that the young snake that was shown was from a portion of the game very close to the time period of MGS2.  Possibly finishing off the plot point revolving around Olga Gurlukovich's baby.


 * Big Boss' body was the entire plotline of the first MGS. Foxhound, under command of Liquid Snake, was trying to get hold of his body.  He's confirmed dead, and also, why would he be hunting down Ocelot?  They were on the same side.  In MGS 3, Ocelot was an American agent who was doing undercover work posing as a Russian GRU soldier.  He was actually the ADAM that Big Boss was supposed to meet up with during the game.  Ocelot is also trying to reform Outer Heaven, which is the nation that Big Boss started, which quite obviously shows that they were on the same side.  So the whole, Big Boss being the main character thing makes absolutely no sense.  I mean, why would he be talking to Otacon?  Otacon is Snake's best friend and partner, why would he help out Big Boss? DeadByDagger 04:01, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Possible a 360 Version? (HAVE SOURCES!!!)
One of the podcasts that I subscribe to (I think it's Hideo Kojima's blog but it's not done by him, it's done by someone named Ryan who I think works for him) was talking with one of the developers and said that a 360 version of MGS4 would be possible because they wanted to boost the sales of the 360 in Japan.

I don't know the exact link of this blog because I'm not on my home computer but I'll link when I get back to my computer. It has a link to the .mp3 file of the show.


 * Why the heck would konami care about the sales of the 360 in japan? And sure, it's possible to make the game on the counsel, but that doesn't mean their going to do it. Dboyz-x.etown 06:14, 24 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I think it might be because Hironobou Sakaguchi and Square-Enix are strongly considering making Final Fantasy XIII for both Xbox 360 and Playstation 3. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 155.212.96.26 (talk) 13:51, 26 March 2007 (UTC).

Firstly, i don`t see how Square-Enix actions should affect Konami`s way of action, and secondly, it pains me to say it, but Sakaguchi-sama doesn`t have nothing to do with the production of Final Fantasy XIII (if i`m mistaken about this please tell me) Zidane tribal 21:10, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

To summarise, on the podcast a friendly Kotaku staffer chats with Ryan about whether people's expectations of a wholey theoretical X360 version might affect sales of the PS3 release, which they agree it would. But Ryan also says quite clearly that the game is being developed as a PS3 showpiece. Sources denied- there's nothing even approaching a hint in the podcast. Hyperspacey 01:30, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


 * This is a large rumour. People said that Konami was forcing Kojima to make Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots for the Xbox 360 to boost sales. However, Kojima has stated that the Xbox 360 simply doesn't have the capabilities to run Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots. http://kotaku.com/gaming/go307/feature-talkin-metal-gear-with-hideo-kojima-248695.php. (Myscrnnm 22:53, 12 May 2007 (UTC))

Exclusive has a meaning when it is Official
When the word "Exclusive" is "Officially" used, it means something. For example, games like Lost Planet and Dead Rising are "Exclusive" Xbox 360 games that have symbols on the boxes that say, "Only for Xbox 360." Games like Saints Row and Enchanted Arms were never "Officially" listed as "Exclusive" games for the Xbox 360. People simply thought that games like Saints Row and Enchanted Arms were exclusive to the Xbox 360 because the Playstation 3 versions of the games were released so much later. It's quite common for games to be released first on Xbox 360, and then over six months later for the Playstation 3. Ironically, even though the PS3 versions are released later, the Xbox 360 versions of the games offer much greater performance. An example of this is the way F.E.A.R. won lots of awards when it was released on the PC and Xbox 360 in late 2006. But the PS3 version of F.E.A.R. has one of the worst framerates ever in a game--often going below 20 frames per second and causing slowdown on the screen. That's why the PS3 has now developed a poor reputation for having bad framerates. Hopefully Metal Gear Solid 4 will not have that problem on the PS3.Mike mgoblue 09:03, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Again, this is the article discussion page, if you want to engage in gaming discussion go to GameFAQs or IGN. It says "MGS4 is in development exclusively for PS3" in the article because Konami announced it as such and has not suggested any change to that plan as far as anyone is aware. I'm going to archive this and the previous topic in a couple of days since they're not article-relevant. Hyperspacey 16:57, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Evidence of exclusivity?
http://kotaku.com/gaming/go307/feature-talkin-metal-gear-with-hideo-kojima-248695.php

While the article may or may not count as a valid reference, there was a little tidbit in the interview which hints on Kojima's intentions with the game:

"But like I said, MGS4 is aimed for the movie theatre, it's aimed for the PS3, so the game's scenario and graphics need this theatre-type hardware. It's when a producer has a game that can work on the 'DVD level' that a game will go multiplatform", he says. Sorry kids. Your "OMGMGS4360" banners will have to come out another day. Since we've opened up this can of worms, I may as well get his thoughts on it. Why, I ask, do you think this rumour simply refuses to go away? "Because 360 owners want it on 360, obviously", he quips.

I'm not attempting to take a side on the issue - but the quote does add a little perspective to the debate. --Sqrfrk 06:20, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Not especially useful- the fact that Konami's official announcements have declared the game as exclusive for PS3 and have never said otherwise should be more than enough. Hyperspacey 16:49, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Just to make things clear - I wasn't attempting to nominate the interview for its inclusion in the article. But since this "Talk Page" has numerous debates on exclusivity despite Konami's official statement on the issue, I hoped that it may add a little perspective to the debate. My apologies if it came off as something else. --Sqrfrk 04:10, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


 * No, that's fine, just bear in mind that Talk pages are catagorically not for debating about the article subject, but for discussing the article itself. 86.0.206.52 14:13, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I am trying to point out that games announced as "Exclusive" for Playstation 3, are often "Not Exclusive," and I think that needs to be acknowledged.
I am not a fanboy. I am simply trying to point out the truth. Mike mgoblue 15:46, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

As I've previously said, this is not the place for this in any way, shape or form- this is a page for dicussing the article, not for posting lengthy and article-irrelevant essays on the possiblity of the title becoming non-exclusive, no matter how well-researched they may be. MGS4's rumored exclusivity remains intact, and until Konami announces otherwise the article will continue to indicate that MGS4 is a PS3 exclusive- doubly so when a certain ex-Konami-VP, head-of-Konami's-prestige-studio megageek says, catagorically, that the title isn't going multiplatform. Hyperspacey


 * Oh, and I'll just mention that one Konami "source" cited in one of your supposedly reliable articles claims Konami will "announce" PC and 360 MGS4 at E3 in July 2007 (E3 is held in May, but it doesn't matter since there isn't any E3 this year and the entire industry has known that for over a year). Hyperspacey 17:58, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * And as far as we know it's not going to X-Box, Snake Eater didn't, this won't either. Get the-fuck over it 121.72.136.24 00:26, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Wrong, there IS a scaled-down version of E3 in 2007
I have been trying to tell Playstation 3 owners all along that there will in fact be an Electronic Entertainment Expo in 2007; although, it will be in a scalled down manner. Sony was humiliated at the 2006 E3, where 83% of the attendees said the Xbox 360 had the best performance, 12% voted for Nintendo, but only 5% voted for Sony. The reason Sony scored so low was because of the disappointing performance of the Playstation 3; that's why USA Today referred to the PS3 as "The Biggest Disappointment of the Year" after the 2006 E3. As a result, Sony decided not to attend a large scale show like that. Consequently, EA said they would also not attend a large show like that, because EA had more support for the PS2 than anything else at the time. Since then EA has changed their minds, which caused Sony to change their minds. Now there is a scaled down version of the E3 show which will happen in July of 2007. Mike mgoblue 23:59, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for that help. This is Wikipedia encyclopedia. Kojima said he's open to developing a 360 version. Therefore as far as we know there may be a 360 version.121.72.133.106 07:22, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I won't say anything else about it, because nothing else really needs to be said. When July 2007 arrives, we will see that Metal Gear Solid is announced for Xbox 360, like all the rumors from reliable sources have indicated for such a long time. Mike mgoblue 15:54, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Please, please learn how to add additional comments onto existing discussions, rather than filling the Talk page with ever-expanding reams of unverified fantalk, trolling and conspiracy theory. If, as you claim, you have verifiable information from accurate sources ready to post, add it to this talk page and we'll see if it's usable, perhaps do a bit of tidying up on it. If there is an announcement it'll same time. Hyperspacey 23:46, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * God, this is wiki, Kojima said its exclusive, but so did Capcom with Devil May Cry 4. Keep filling up this talk page with craploads of cool info that is helping everyone. Everyone knows Xbox 360 will end up with MGS4, but we just need to wait until it's officially announced.| 15:54, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Blacklisted hyperlink
Does anyone know what the blacklisted hyperlink is in this article? ♦TH 1 RT 3 EN talk ♦ contribs 07:43, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Found it. It was:
 * -removed-
 * ♦TH 1 RT 3 EN talk ♦ contribs 22:22, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Online Multiplayer
Does anyone have a link stating when the online mutiplayer was announced? I dont remember this ever happening. If not, then it needs to be removed. Cheers. Xenoslayer 16:38, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll track it down. Gimme 'till the 7th to do a good check, it may well be unconfirmed-but-planned. Hyperspacey 22:37, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Xbox 360 version confirmed
http://www.destructoid.com/mgs4-is-coming-to-the-xbox-360--31775.phtml

I'll leave it to the people who know what they're doing to add that as a source and stuff, I don't know the format and don't really care either. PickledJesus 19:50, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


 * If you cant tell its a spoof please tell your mother to have an abortion next time, thanks ~Corpse 19:52, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The "news article" cite sources and is most likely proof. As for ~Corpse, that sort of response is not tolerated. I'll leave that to someone higher ranked than me to remove, but I doubt they will, because they didn't do anything when the statements of the very intelligent mike_mgoblue were alterred by immature PS3 fanboys. - AVX 19:56, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Youll understand my frustration when the slew of vandals and incited edits roll in ~Corpse 21:00, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not vandalism if people are responding to a news article. Destructoid is a pretty reputable site and I don't see why they would post an "April fools" type article in late May and it's worth noting that the article has been edited to appear to comply with a cease and desist order.  They don't cite a source, so you're correct, it shouldn't be taken as fact as yet.  I just thought I would point out that Destructoid don't often deal in gags, tricks and attention grabbing. MrHate 00:18, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * There's more being added to the article and I'm not quite sure what the deal is. Frankly, I don't really care that much.  All other MGS titles have gone multi-platform, so it seems obvious that this one will too.  I'm just going to save face right now by saying we should wait for a PR comment. MrHate 00:34, 29 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It's been confirmed to Digital Spy. http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/a58390/metal-gear-solid-4-confirmed-for-xbox-360.html -Gamerzworld 01:03, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * "according to online reports" doesn't seem like a reputable source. In fact the only time a Konami employee is mentioned in that article is to talk on the PS3 edition. If that spokesperson would have mentioned that the game were being released on another platform then there would be a reasonable source of information. As it stands it is still speculation. - AVX 14:10, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The employee only talks about the ps3 and never mentions anything of another platform release, sorry but no dice ~Corpse 14:19, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Wow, quite a discussion going on around here, but atleast this could be stated in this article, like "Recently, some websites have commented on the possibility of an Xbox 360 version of the game, but it hasn't been confirmed, as a matter of fact, denied, by Konami" or so, can't we? LOL, I made the right choice when I came in here to discuss the matter. rohith 19:04, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

XBox 360 section in the article
There is an XBox 360 section in the article that states the 360 version of this game has been confirmed. There are no references to this section in the article. Do any references exist or is it just forum talk again?

--Simondrake 15:10, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I usually delete those types of things without checking up on it if they dont link a source, but this time i checked on it and it seems people are either stealth vandalizing or just still going off that fake destructoid article. i got rid of it i think. ~Corpse 15:29, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Can somebody please remove the current installment of this rumour? I tried telling him on his talk page that "online reports" doesn't qualify as a valid source of information, but... Bladestorm 01:13, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

These sorts of discussions have been going on for ages on different game boards, most of them contain people insisting vehemently that it's inevitable that the game will move to be multiplatform. Strange how these people mysteriously vanished from the Final Fantasy XIII boards when that was revealed to be definatly PS3-only....18:26, 14 June 2007 (UTC)~

Updated E3 trailer
http://www.gamesradar.com/us/ps3/game/news/article.jsp?sectionId=1006&articleId=20070607135820943056&releaseId=20051216153655522074

Can we remove this from the article as it's not definate it is a remastered trailer? I personally think it isn't... merely a better quality video than the one we've all seen on youtube. I would assume tha, being able to post in the discussion page, you could manage to remove it yourself... ;) Hyperspacey

Delayed?
What's the source for it being delayed, the source says coming 2007? Starwarsrulez 22:58, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Kojimas trying to fill up that 25 gigs he has. He said he's trying to fill in all the blanks to all the questions left behind of MGS2,like where did Ocelot go and why are there the patriots if they died a 100 years ago. It was supposed to be release Spring but they weren't done... jan 2008. over 70 hours of sweet gameplay ^^--Hitamaru 00:21, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't get it the site still says coming 2007? Starwarsrulez 03:46, 4 July 2007 (UTC) It was confirmed for early 2008 in the E3 2007 Trailer. Citizen erased 01:21, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Exclusive to the ps3
I remember Kojima said that the game is exclusive to the ps3 on his japanese radio station he does. if anyone doesn't beleive look through the archive. Also the cutscene graphics are in real-time >.<.360 can't handle real-time. plus it's like 20 gigs on that Blu-ray disc. Also the Xbox version of MGS2 failed... -.-. badly

You are very right and I couldn't agree more with your logic and idiological choice. However, this really isn't the place for XBox 360 slating unless it's absolutely neccesary and unfortunatly in this case it isn't. I'd suggest you go elsewhere to discuss which console is better and leave this talk page for disc iussing how to improve the article. Thank you.Simondrake 17:31, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not discussing which console is better.--Hitamaru 00:58, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Though still I think a 360 version is possible but it would have alot less content than the Ps3 version. Starwarsrulez 20:25, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

"360 can't handle real-time." Just pointing out that this statement doesn't make any sense. Ellamosi 00:29, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

PS3 Exclusive Confirmed!!!!!!!!
http://mp.i-revo.jp/user.php/kp-ryan/entry/103.html

There is going to be a trailer at E3. It's going to be during Konami's Press Conference and Sony's, which pretty much guarantees that it will be a PS3 Exclusive. So no more Xbox 360 (Rumored) things ok! Starwarsrulez 20:58, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * That statement is confirmation of a trailer at the Sony and Konami conferences. They confirm nothing regarding the Xbox 360. You're interpolating. 86.139.223.112 21:11, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Why would Sony show it at their press conference if it wasn't exclusive? They don't show Multi-Platform Releases at their major press conferneces. They show what they are getting that nobody else is, like if they just showed Assassin's Creed and Grand Theft Auto nobody would buy the PS3 because those games are going to the Xbox. Starwarsrulez 16:31, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * You are almost certainly right and Starwars does indeed rule, you're right. However, this is speculation and not referencable confirmation.  The exclusivity of this game is not a topic for discussion here unless Hideo or Sony or someone else suitably high up says: "MGS4:GOTP Is PS3 Exclusive" or words to that effect. After the announcement has been made, this talk page will let people discuss the wording, positioning and font size of the statement.  This talk page is NOT for speculation regarding what implies exclusivity. Please take it elsewhere.Simondrake 08:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The fact Konami and Sony announced the game as PS3 exclusive two years ago, and continue to advertise it as such, should be enough IMO. Hyperspacey 09:10, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I will be watching Microsoft's and Konami's Press Conferneces at E3 on Gamespot, if anything is said I will add it here. Starwarsrulez 22:08, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * i'ma be watching the Sony and Nintendo section, watch some lair and MGS4 at sony section and Some Brawl and Umbrella chronicles on Nintendo side. all good ^^.

I don't know if this counts, but Kojima said he viewed the next-gen consoles as this: PS3=Cinema Xbox 360=DVD player Wii=T.V. He ten went on to say that a cinema was required aka Ps3 to play MGS4.Starwarsrulez 01:33, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Cinema pfft it's almost a theater if you have some good speakers. the picture of blu ray is pretty good. wasn't the ps2 a dvd player 0.o. hey yo star rulez guess what!!! xbox/micriosoft hasn't announced it as part of their section today HA!There were some sad faces and some tears ;(. this dispelled all the rumours right there.

More 360 hints
http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2007/07/10/konami-isnt-impressed-by-ps3-price-cut/

We'll find out tommorrow I guess.[User:MattParker119|MattParker119]] 16:41, 10 July 2007 GMT

That could just be made up, the site is called Xbox 360 Fanboy and is probably biased. Starwarsrulez 00:44, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually Xbox360Fanboy is a sub-section of Joystiq. They didn't report the story, the site merely reports news reported by other websites. And if you'll notice they link to the original story which is available on multiple websites, including Gamespot and Reuters. --156.34.78.38 01:12, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * doubt it cause Konami japan is the publisher of metal gear solid 4,Kojima productions is developing it. it talks about konami Europe and north America. Kojima won't leave japan to it lone some jus yet. 1 exclusive lost to the 360 and the fanboys wanna have a party"armored core 4. Devil may cry 4 is for pc so ya maybe cause of success of DMC3. i wouldn't be suprised if ps3 still has MGS4 intact.--Hitamaru 02:41, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It's true what he says. However, the man who said that is a suit. He doesn't even understand game development. Kojima, an actual DEVELOPER, has repeatedly stated that the Xbox 360 simply doesn't have the hardware capable of running Metal Gear Solid 4.(Myscrnnm 04:12, 11 July 2007 (UTC))


 * you call him a suit,i call him the middle man.Xbox E3 section didn't even show MGS4,so that dispels all the rumors right there,when everyone was saying 360 will have the game.Everyone in japan has either a PS3 or a Wii. i'm hoping a Metal gear gets made for wii,maybe a Metal Gear:Raiden xD!P.S i think the people who jus bought a 360 jus to get that game are very angry.--Hitamaru 16:0 8, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Confirmed exclusive at E3 07
It was confirmed today at E3 that Metal Gear Solid 4 is exclusive to ps3.Shadowfyre 19:50, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * it was confirmed yesterday cause kojima didn't show up(at the Microsoft's E3),and the guy didn't have any tattoos on his "Muscles". xD!ima watch sony later im watching Nintendo.No one can bribe kojima ^^. i remember some guy started spamming that it was going to 360 then so many to people believe him and they started bragging.--Hitamaru 21:19, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm also looking at the various articles right now RE: GOTP's PS3 exclusivity. With confirmations from Kojima and SCEA's Jack Tretton, I surely hope that they have driven the final nails in the coffins of people who claim MGS 4 will go to any other platform.Eaglestorm 14:11, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Plot
It should be noted that the grave snake was looking at was meryl's and not bigboss.cause liquid wanted his body as ransom. also that the meryl that is part of new foxhound is a clone.that new foxhound is controlled by the patriots to take the new metal gears,as the new patriots tryed in MGS2. It's all there in the name "Guns of the patriots". but that's jus me. meryl was around same age as snake giving ya clue of cloning to play with snakes emotions. otherwise they could do another big boss clone.


 * Yeah, you're an idiot. Stay out of Wikipedia, please.


 * Back at ya smarty--Hitamaru 15:13, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Several points to make. 1- Don't be rude/bite the newcomers, it's naughty, try to be civil. 2- It could be Big Bosses grave, maybe Liquid didn't know where he was burried, maybe it's just a gravestone and not his actual body. 3- It's not meryl's grave, she's still alive! 4- No original research, remember? 5- How do you do new-lines in wikipedia? Pressing enter does nothing, enter twice does new paragraph, stars make bullet points, colons do indentation, bracket patterns do links... whats newline? Simondrake 21:13, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Big Boss doesn't have a grave. his body was frozen...  The grave was NOT Meryl's, it was The Boss's. That is the real Meryl in Foxhound.  Foxhound is not controlled by the Patriots.  Meryl IS around the same age as Snake, but due to his DNA structure breaking down, he aged considerably faster than everyone else.  Please keep your crackpot theories out of here.  None of that makes sense at all.


 * Oh, by the way, to make new lines, put a colon in front of your paragraph.DeadByDagger 04:11, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Doesn't a colon indent the paragraph? What if I just want a newline, like for a list?Simondrake 10:51, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it does. Sorry.  I can make new lines just by hitting the return key.  But I'm using Firefox.  If you're using another browser, it might not work the same.  DeadByDagger 18:07, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Age
Yeah it said in wiki that Snake was aged because of FoxDie, but the actual reason was faulty cloning of the sixties. MtyQuinn 09:06, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * it is cause of cloning. Fox die is used if the clones like defect. but Snake was immune cause instead of him dieing liquid died but was revived in that arm. he says he's immortal within that arm but ocelot should be almost 120 years old this game i think takes place in 2012+? i know MGS2 was 2009. Ocealot was born in the late 30s.


 * Even if ocelot was born in 1930, then 2012 would make him 82. How the heck did you come up with an age of 120? Also FoxDie was used to assasinate a bunch of non-cloned people, Solid Snake was thrown into the batch as well but his "DNA-Code-Targeting" part of the "artificial retrovirus" was given a "wildcard property" that means it could activate at any time and kill him, he's still infected.68.148.224.47 19:59, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * >.<; ya true,i didn't count.Maybe foxdie jus kills people who have nano machines.I Remembered there's two ending to MGS1 meryl dies or Otacon dies. Snake says Meryl died,she wasn't moving and plus she had a gaping whole of 3 inches.But in Snake Tales Meryl is inside the tanker 0.o?Kojima has messed the series up with that part


 * Otacon didn't die, he got left behind to die when the bombers trash Shadow Moses but Snake called up the pentagon and told them not to bomb the place and to look for a scientist named Emmerich inside, he got rescued. Neither of them died in that ending, thats the real ending, the other one is a fake ending, it's in the special features of MGS2. FoxDie kills who it was programmed to kill, it's a dna-targetting virus, this nano-machine attack in the new trailer is something different.Simondrake 16:54, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The new Trailer they are hurt by the third generation nanos derived from FOXDIE, The real ending was the one where meryl lives, you can also see it in Arsenal gear when snake says he has infinite ammo and points to his headband (referance to what you get at end of MGS1.) MtyQuinn

- Yes but at the start of MGS2 he also has the Stealth Camoflague, which appears to break when he lands on tanker, suggesting a mixture of both endings is canon. -True, but Otacon didn't die in the Meryl-Lives ending, he was left behind to die and said his final goodbyes but then the island wasn't blown up and Solid asked for him to be rescued. So I guess Otacon gave him the stealth camo at some other point between Shadow Moses and the Tanker scene.Simondrake 17:34, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * NICE! you make it all Clear,nice Backtracking i remember that part,Infinite ammo, and was like wtf(when i was playing it),but i got a Katana tho and forgot about the first time around. You Deserve cookie key to cookie land. Well why the true is so freakin hard to get.Most players got the Meryl dies.Getting snake to Stay alive in the Torture chamber is pretty hard. MtyQuinn i Solute you--Hitamaru 02:39, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you, metal gear solid is kind of a hobby for me, but yeah that and the torture with Solidus were a pain in the hand. MtyQuinn

Speculation
There's a line in the article saying the nano-virus attack effected everyone except one person, possibly Raiden or Johnny Sasaki. This is obviously speculation and has no place here. However, the next line says something along the lines of: "It is probably the former judging by the blond hair sticking out from his mask." Does the poster of this not realise the cyborg ninja has been confirmed as Raiden? If the uneffected person in the video (Which I can't remember too clearly, the stream I used was really jumpy) that he is refering to is the cyborg ninja then it's ok to say Raiden was uneffected by it. However, if this unaffected person is someone else entirely (IE, not the cyborg ninja, a regular soldier) then it's ok to say SOMEONE was uneffected but it's not ok to say it might be Raiden (Since it isn't Raiden) or Johnny (Since that's baseless speculation).

So can someone who's seen the trailer without jumps clarify this. Was the uneffected person the Cyborg Raiden or was it someone else?Simondrake 10:56, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I have seen it many times (downloaded it to my playstation 3) and can tell you that the only thing we have is theories at this moment, the man is wearing a complete suit, and has sunglasses on. Due to the small amount of hair coming out we can say it might be Raiden (same color and length) but small things like how a ninja suit could fit so well under those clothes, and the boots, help to disprove this.  Then again it may be him before he was placed in the suit.  We don't know if it is Johnny because the OTHER soldier in the unit is named Jonnathen. So like I said we don't know for sure, unless Kojima himself comes out to say, or someoen plays the game it is all speculation.  MtyQuinn
 * its not Raiden cause the character is less experienced in that type of situation. cause the guy is panicking,and raiden wouldn't.its some specualation that it's a johnny,cause of policenauts(Gman). ~Hitamaru

Oh right, cool, thanks. I don't know if the "Raiden or Johnny Sasaki" line is still in the article, but if it is it'll be speculation and I'll remove it. Thanks for your help, Mighty Quinn, everbody's going to jump for joy, lol.Simondrake 17:36, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Weapons..
What weapons are in the E3 2007 Trailer? I see an XM8 on the dark bald guy behind Meryl, and she's got a Desert Eagle as well.

So, what about Snake's pistol? It looks different from the one in the gameplay trailer from last year. Also, what rifles do Liquid Ocelot's soldiers use? MToolen 22:46, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * since this is MGS4 its hard to tell. meryl isn't using a Desert eagle its a .35 calibur i think cause of that scope. plus Desert eagle would be a alot longer. one screen shot shows snake on his back throwing a grenade stealthy style without even being seen.


 * Yeah, the weapons are hard to predict sometimes because the guns are specific, also he may have customized the guns fictionally since this takes place in the future. MtyQuinn


 * GameSpot Said When kojima was playing he was using a P90 and a RPG7.This game isn't going to be that futuristic besides Metal Gears and Raiden's High Frequency swords.


 * Judging from the trailer, aside from the M9 and XM8s, the soldiers in the courtyard tending to the crates and the Gekkos look to have carbine versions of the FN SCAR. The very first trailer had Snake and the soldiers carrying M4s and AKs.Eaglestorm 02:05, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I think snakes gun is a beretta m92, or somit like that, yeh fowhound troops are using a XM8, and meryl is using a desert eagle but not the israli standard issue desert eagle which is the most powerful hangun in the world, it can take 0.357 and 0.44, but that would mean in relative terms to a 9mm in would be 3.57 cal....or somit like that:)

Same Statement For MGS2 ....
"It should be noted that Mr. Kojima made the same comments with the previous game Metal Gear Solid 3."

According To www.gamespot.com Hideo Kojima said the same thing for MGS2 in early 2001...

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/adventure/metalgearsolid2sonsol/news.html?sid=2679773

Oshii: So Metal Gear Solid 2 will conclude the entire series? Kojima: Yes. Oshii: This isn't like "end of Chapter 1" type of deal is it? Kojima: No, we'd like to avoid something like that.

so the paragraph should be : ""It should be noted that Mr. Kojima made the same comments with the previous gameS like Metal Gear Solid 2 and Metal Gear Solid 3."

MGS2 wouldn't even good ending to the series cause of fact that it leaves some holes in the plot that were placed there for a sequel. jus like MGS3 solved who is big boss to fans of MGS1 and MGS2.


 * Yeah it should be noted, but I believe this will be the last in the series. Don't forget though last of the Metal Gear SOLID series, they may make a new one (metal gear ), especially considering the rich storyline, plus Snake is old and it has already been stated he will be dying soon.  MtyQuinn
 * Yeah,but Kojima said in GameInformer that MGS5 will be the last of the solid series. He also said MGS4 will not have snake dieing but Kojima also said at E3 that this will be his last MEtal Gear Solid Game but he later making a Expansion pack for MGP.

Metal Gear:Raiden. For some reason i think Kojima gave Raiden High heels to make North american fans hate him more. It's working.--Hitamaru 15:38, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Enough with the MGS4 discussion!
Please, someone dump all this in an archive. Talk pages are for discussing article content, not article subject. Hyperspacey 15:15, 17 July 2007 (UTC)