Talk:Metallica/Archive 5

Greatest-Hits Album
I've heard rumors that Metallica is gonna release a best-of compiliation after they get inducted into the RocknRoll Hall of Fame later this year. But just that: rumors. Has there been any official word, or is it just the wishful thinking of a Virginian rock radio DJ I was listening to last night? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.174.219.204 (talk) 00:35, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * As they're just rumours at this point it's not worth of mention as of yet; until we get something more concrete. Beyond that, no I've not heard anything myself. I hope not, "hits" albums are tacky, S&M is the closet we have, and hopefully it'll stay that way. Rehevkor ✉  02:28, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Cliff Burton Chose Lars Ulrichs Bed.
After they drew their cards, Cliff Chose Lars' bed, not Kirk Hammets' bed. PLEASE FIX IT! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.184.21.19 (talk) 19:54, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Provide a source, and then we'll talk.--J.shellenbarger (talk) 09:37, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Looking for collaborating information from another article
I'm working on Guitar Hero: Metallica, and I found a piece of information from one of the developers that states:

"IGN: How did you come up with the storyline about the opening act? Alan Flores: Well the storyline was actually based off this true story. There were some guys in a beat-up old van and they were following Metallica all over Europe, everywhere they went on tour. And then they wound up hanging out with the crew and the crew would feed them. And then eventually Metallica let them get up and open for them. So from that we took the idea of seeing Metallica play at a concert, then being so inspired by them that you create your own band and then you go and play the opening act. You play with Metallica."

I'd like to confirm and if possible link to this group, but not having any luck with google searches and I don't see it mentioned here. Hopefully an editor here can help me out. --M ASEM 19:30, 18 February 2009 (UTC)


 * What exactly are you wanting?--J.shellenbarger (talk) 09:39, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Downey, California ?
I thought Metallica formed in Downey (California), not L.A.  I also thought I remember hearing this on their VH1 'Behind the Music' profile. D323P (talk) 04:00, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure thats actually where James Hetfield was born, not where they formed. They moved to California at the request of Cliff Burton, who didn't want to move to L.A —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.154.2.61 (talk) 07:56, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Progressive?
Would ...And Justice for All (and, to a lesser extent, Master of Puppets) qualify Metallica as progressive metal? As far as I can tell, the qualifying features of progressive metal are odd time signatures and complex, multilayered arrangements--both of which are very present. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.101.234.25 (talk) 23:36, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Nope, thrash. Regardless, both albums are thrash. Jonah Ray Cobbs 23:05, 19 March 2009 (UTC)JRC3 —Preceding unsigned comment added by JRC3 (talk • contribs)

"One" has surely a prog touch, and yes, the anothers have quite a influence. But I don't think this can be put as a genre unless you come with a reliable source due to the fact Metallica is rarely described as progressive. Haxxiy (talk) 16:58, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Although a keyboard player isn't a requirement for progressive metal, it tends to separate many progressive metal bands from heavy metal. Pwr.max (talk) 19:28, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Overmastering on Death Magnetic
Should mention be made of how harshly Death Magnetic was mastered and the resulting backlash against Metallica in the 'loudness war?' but overall a very very good thing to do in the end —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.153.114.160 (talk) 16:56, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree. |Reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Srrrgei (talk • contribs) 15:49, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Fix
"McGovney and Mustaine were later ejected from the band, in favor of Cliff Burton and Kirk Hammett, respectively." Mustaine was ousted before they found Hammett. He wasnt ousted in favor of Hammett. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WayneS1324 (talk • contribs) 15:51, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Mustaine was really one of the first guitarists. The actuall original guitarist's name was Lloyd Grant (he help with Hit The Lights on thier demo album Metal Massacare) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.175.208.141 (talk) 18:54, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Done. --Crazy4metallica (talk) 02:48, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Mustaine was Metallica's first guitarist, but as you probably know didn't actually record any songs on Kill Em' All. He wrote a couple of them, which the band gave him complete credit for, but never recorded. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.2.23.70 (talk) 12:29, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

status
If their grammy award-winning status is added to the first paragraph, then that sentence also needs to include mention of their draconian stance on internet file sharing, and mention of the heavy criticism they continue to garner for this stance. 71.193.209.196 (talk) 18:31, 19 December 2007 (UTC)Anonymous, 12/19/2007
 * The Grammy Awards are mentioned in the third paragraph so no need to say it in the first. M3tal H3ad (talk) 03:54, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree.. change it to the first sentance. You look others bands' pages, they have it listed that they are a grammy award winning band if they did winan award. January 3, 2008 10:45 PM --random user

But Grammy's aren't what matter to Metallica, its pleasing the fans. Thats what they want to be known for, not a stupid trophy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.2.23.70 (talk) 12:31, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Thrash metal?
The March edition of German Metal Hammer is dedicated to the birth of Thrash in 1983, and has James and Kerry King on the cover. Both Slayer and Metallica are identified as the two bands who made Thrash explode, although it is concluded that Exodus did already play this kind of music before Metallica - or Slayer. In the pages dedicated to Thrash in that issue, famous personalities of the Thrash movement are asked about their favorite Thrash album, -"Kill'em All" or Show "No Mercy". I will just cite some (p)references:

- Mille Petroza (Kreator) : Kill'em All

- Schmier (Destruction): Kill'em All

- Scott Ian (Anthrax) Kill'em All

- Eric Peterson (Testament): Kill'em All

- Gary Holt (Exodus): Kill'em All

- Tom Angelripper (Sodom): Kill'em All

- Cronos (Venom): Kill'em All

Now does that end the discussion if Metallica is Thrash or not, once and for all? I hope it does! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skehrkrow (talk • contribs) 15:05, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I have listened to many thrash metal bands i would never consider metallica thrash metal. Every time it is taken off it is added back again, and i need some support. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xcrissxcrossx (talk • contribs) 18:19, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Uh, WTF!? No one has ever denied the fact that Metallica is thrash metal...Thats like saying Black Sabbath isn't metal.  Yeah, on some albums Metallica has more of a melodic thrash sound, but they have always been thrash.  On some albums they exhibit a groove metal sound and on some newer albums they even have a nu metal vibe, unfortunately.  I'd definitely say they abandoned their roots, but there is no denying that metallica was thrash for most of their career till recently. They may not be as heavy as bands such as Destruction or earlier Slayer, but they're still thrash. Navnløs (talk) 23:34, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, there was no reason for me to write that, because not only is it no even an argument (everyone knows what metallica is) but after looking at some of your contribs I gotta a pretty good feeling you don't know much about metal in the first place. Navnløs (talk) 23:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Just about every book or webpage about thrash metal mentions Metallica as being a thrash band. It doesn't really matter if you don't think they're thrash, that's WP:POV. Many reliable sources say they are thrash. Funeral 23:47, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Navnløs (talk) 23:52, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Metallica's last 3 studio albums, we can debate if they're thrash. But in the 1980s they were thrash, and that's when they did all their best known (within the music industry at least) music (The Elfoid (talk) 19:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC))
 * St. Anger is the closest to thrash since The Black album (which is thrash), but Load and Reload are not thrash. They are still heavy metal but not really thrash. Skeeker  &#91; Talk &#93; 21:51, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

ARGH, I agree with everyone. Although, St. Anger still has a nu metal vibe to it in my opinion. Navnløs (talk) 21:57, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * NOOOOOOOOOOOO! Please do not list them as new metal, PLEASE! Skeeker  &#91; Talk &#93; 22:10, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Lol, relax man. Even if I wanted to add nu metal as a genre, theres a lot of people who wouldn't allow me, because they're too protective of this page. Why do you care that much about that anyways, though? Navnløs (talk) 22:18, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

nu metal is teh sucks, though...seriously. (sorry for this uncontributing comment) Navnløs (talk) 22:20, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I was half joking, I hate the label nu metal and most bands in it. I actually hate most labels. Did you know somebody made up Porn metal and Porn rap? How dumb is that? Skeeker  &#91; Talk &#93; 22:31, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, nu metal sucks. I don't really know how I feel about labels. As long as they are real and accurately apply to a band I'm fine with it I guess.  Yeah porn-anything for a genre is dumb...most "porn metal" bands are usually just grindcore bands that talk about sex alot.  It's a purely lyrical genre, and therefore, nonexistent. Navnløs (talk) 22:43, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Well all and all, Metallica is, was and always will be thrash in some respect or another, they began their career being thrash and that has put the title of thrash on them. weather some people like it or not.-- M et al to the M ax!   10:14, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Here the truth: Metallica created thrash with "Kill 'Em All". Prepare to be Mezmerized! :D 02:08, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... isn't a point of thrash metal that's it's supposed to be a) fast and b) heavy? Metallica/Black Sabbath/Slayer are not heavy, they're rock bands at best. Ozzy Ozbourne is about as hardcore as the guy who sings in Hinder. Go listen to DevilDriver and Lamb Of God. 203.54.3.180 (talk) 23:25, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * They're all rock bands. Also, Metallica formed over 25 years ago; they were heavy as hell back then. Keep historical perspective in mind. WesleyDodds (talk) 03:53, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Nice discussion! So Metallica is not Thrash metal? That is true! Metallica is a typical hip hop band! So get some black metal with Bob Marley! And if you want some Deathcore, listen to James Brown! And Lamb of God is good too, if you like some country music!-- Lykantrop (Talk) 13:35, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I dont know about you but metallica is a thrash metal band just look at the solo in blitzkrieg now if that isnt enough look at the distortion in one towards the middle to the end in my opinion metallica is the best band ever...... hip hop? hip hop? i dont know what song you listened to but is not hip hop —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.234.100.155 (talk) 18:24, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH !!!! Very nice one! But - actually - it is confusing if you are talking serious or not...-- Lykantrop (Talk) 11:48, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

In response to the writer above that typed Metallica/Black Sabbath/Slayer are not heavy, I think you are a little confused. Metallica for it's time was pretty heavy. Their old music even in today's time has some bite. Black Sabbath wasn't in this discussion of thrash because Black Sabbath has never been called thrash. But again, they were heavy for there time. And Slayer, are you serious? Not heavy? Listen to the album "Reign in Blood" and if you think it is not heavy you need your hearing checked; and that album came out in '86. Even Slayer's oldest music make modern "metal" bands run in fear. Lamb of God is heavy, I won't argue that (they're actually my current favorite band), but they are on par with Slayer and are actually very influenced by them. And the comment about Ozzy being as hardcore as the guy from Hinder...WTF? A guy that sings "coming from the lips of an angel" is on the level with a guy that bites heads off of doves and bats at concerts? I think your perception of reality is a little distorted there buddy. And to Lykantrop: don't worry I actually got your joke and it was funny! Feral Mind (talk) 17:38, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Okay, guys, why do you refuse to accept the fact that Metallica just isn't as heavy as they were back then in the 80's? They were great, yes, they were Thrash, but they aren't anymore. Now they're just radio music. Compare them to Overkill, Testament, Holy Moses and you'll see how "soft" they sound compared to these Thrashers. Bands change, so did Metallica. They aren't Thrash Metal anymore, period. Consider them radio music or Hard Rock, but not Thrash. Given their Legacy as Thrash Kings that doesn't mean that everything they come up with NOW is Thrash. 1stLtLombardi (talk) 11:51, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Adam9393 (talk) 01:30, 29 September 2008 (UTC) Metallica is Thrash Metal, I don't care what anyone has to say. Yes, they may have changed their style over the years and may not be as heavy as other Thrash bands that are around, but they are still considered Thrash and always have been considered thrash because they still sound like thrash and always have sounded like thrash, just a bit slower and more melodic than they used to sound, but that doesn't mean they're not Thrash anymore just because they don't play fast and wild like they did in the 1980s. As long as the vast majority of their music still has that Thrash Metal like sound to it (which it still does), then they're still considered a Thrash band. Now this should end the discussion on whether or not Metallica is Thrash Metal because I basically just explained it all. Now, whoever keeps changing the Genre from Thrash Metal to Heavy Metal, stop and leave it at Thrash Metal once and for all.

Listen to Death Magnetic, their newest album. If that doesn't tell you that Metallica is obviously still a Thrash band than what does? Adam9393 (talk) 01:17, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Evile is Thrash :D — ᚹᚩᛞᛖᚾᚻᛖᛚᛗ (talk) 04:41, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

I think it is clear, according to wikipedia, that Metallica IS a trash metal band. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Srrrgei (talk • contribs) 15:55, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

There are five base genres of metal : thrash, black, progressive, power and death metal; none of which suit Metallica but thrash —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amadeus666 (talk • contribs) 04:51, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Metallica's Influences
Just a thought, but it seems to me that listing Black Sabbath, Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin as the band's primary influences is misleading. While those bands certainly did influence Metallica, I think it'd be more useful to substitute the bands Metallica (by their own admission) imitated. According to the 'Garage Inc.' booklet, Metallica initially set out to be a combination of Diamond Head and Motorhead. Besides the above quote, this influence in immediately apparent to a greater degree than the influence of the three bands currently listed. I feel that this change will make that particular section more accurate. Thoughts? OlympicSharpshooter (talk) 05:15, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree with this. Picking the one album that Metallica plays other bands' songs on, is probably the best source to find out their own idols. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Srrrgei (talk • contribs) 16:01, 27 March 2009 (UTC) hey metallica started just to be bigger than IRON MAIDEN!!!!!!!!! hello thats their biggest influence! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Djman92795 (talk • contribs) 23:49, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Thrash Metal debate.
Metallica is called thrash metal on the article thrash metal, but this article says they are Heavy Metal. They should be changed so that both say Metallica is Thrash, or that Metallica is Heavy Metal. People could argue that Metallica is death metal if wikipedia editors can't agree on the genre. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.245.159.198 (talk) 23:56, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thrash metal is a subgenre of heavy metal. Since Metallica have been fairly inconsistent with their releases of hard rock (Load, ReLoad, St. Anger), heavy metal (Black Album, Death Mag?), and thrash (first four). A blanket term is probably better. They are still thrash, but for consistency, a broad genre is better. AlanZhan (talk) 21:39, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

5.98 ep
hey there should be an article in the article about the 5.98 ep and it should be in the discography —Preceding unsigned comment added by Djman92795 (talk • contribs) 23:55, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * There is indeed such an article and it is in the discography. Rehevkor ✉  00:13, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Metallica (1990–1993)
In the section Metallica there's a picture with James Hetfield performing in 2008. I think the picture should be moved to another section. 87.70.229.174 (talk) 09:52, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Good point!!Solino the Wolf 07:25, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * So can somebody change it? 77.127.192.63 (talk) 20:00, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Guitar Hero Metallica inclusion
This is a pretty big deal for the band. I mean they're only the second artist to have their own GH game, the band had a great deal of input on the game, it's the first game in the series to use double bass pedals for drums, so why is the game not mentioned ANYWHERE in the article?MiTfan3 (talk) 17:34, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

yeah tru it needs to say something about it. That game is amazing —Preceding unsigned comment added by Schmditjacob7 (talk • contribs) 14:52, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

One part of this page is wrong!
Although i love metallica and don't want this to happen... The article says that metallica is the only band to have 5 number 1 hits. While they do have 5 number one hits on the billboard 100, so does U2 and it says metallica is the only one. Can whoever has protection of this page change that?

Metallica is the only band to have five debutes at #1. MiTfan3 (talk) 17:25, 6 April 2009 (UTC)