Talk:Metallica/Archive 6

That night on the bus/Burton's death
>> first of all irongathar on gorfiend is the best warrior ever.On September 27, 1986, during the European leg of Metallica's Damage Inc. tour, members drew cards to see which bunk of the tour bus they would sleep in. Burton won and chose to sleep in Hammett's bunk.

Burton chose the Ace of Spades as the card that won, which is odd cause that card is a death card.


 * This peticular section of the article is confusing... How did Burton get pinned under the bus if he was on the inside like everyone else? Did he fly out the window? Did he get pinned under the bunk inside the bus? I checked the source for this segment and it gives no information. Someone should research this segment and clarify it because its very unclear. Crazyskipp64 (talk) 12:18, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

In an interview about this they said the window broke, he fell out, and the bus rolled onto him. 134.36.93.46 (talk) 18:05, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Do you have a source for that? If you do then you or I should edit the page to clarify. Crazyskipp64 (talk) 01:16, 7 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I know I've heard that they had to pull the bus off of him with a crane, which soulnds like he ended up outside the bus. Muttdog (talk) 16:00, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Deleted personal commentary
70.61.247.31 (talk) 22:11, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Sell out tours
is there anyway to find out how many concert venues metallica has sold out? is there any statistic for this?Killemall22 (talk) 19:45, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Also, The Date of their Induction into the Hall of Fame is incorrect. It sould be April 4, 2009 and not March 7, 1999 Pearceokeeffe 23:46 23 April 2009 Pearceokeeffe (talk) 22:48, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Lloyd Grant
Lloyd Grant shold be mentioned as a former member for his contributions to the No life til leather demo
 * - Lloyd Grant only recorded part of a demo song - I doubt he was actually a member of the band. Consensus above also believes Grant shouldn't be mentioned. &lowast; \ / (⁂) 23:52, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

---New Entry--

More of a fill-in like when Bob filled in on bass before Rob (and after Jason). Cliff, Ron, Dave, James, Lars, Jason, Kirk and Rob are the only official members of Metallica that i know of thus far. (2010)

Kelmyster (talk) 02:36, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

In the beginning there were more that are not mentioned, myself included, that were part of the band prior to the first arranged gig to open for Saxon at The Wiskey in Hollywood which was canceled when two members left the band. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.220.106.121 (talk) 23:00, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

---New Entry-- Loyd grant was in 1 part of a demo and that was metal massacre, which noone seems to know when it actually was recorded but iv mostly seen late 81 to early 82 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tbailly (talk • contribs) 23:55, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

The liner notes to the Metallica album "Garage Inc." say, "In the fall of '81; [sic] the band (briefly including guitarist, [sic] Lloyd Grant) cuts 'Hit the Lights', which ends up on a local, independent compliation, Metal Massacre." Clearly, that sentence means that Grant was briefly a member of Metallica, and the sentence comes from an official Metallica publication. How exactly one judges membership in a band may vary, but surely the band's own statements take priority over the nattering masses. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.118.229.114 (talk) 23:46, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

CONFIRMED and I stand corrected, he is and was mentioned on the first pressed release of "Hit the Lights" on Metal Massacre vol 1 to whereas "Metallica" was misspelled as "Mettallica" and later corrected on the 2nd Pressing "Metal Massacre vol 1" where D Mustaine then replaced L Grant. Kelmyster (talk) 06:45, 24 November 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kelmyster (talk • contribs) 06:36, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Hall of fame performance
I think the wording should be changed to "both Newsted and Trujillo played during..." rather than "were on stage". They could both be "on stage" but only one performing...the significant thing is that they performing together, with 2 bassists playing at the same time. Also I think mention should be made of their closing performance, in which they played "Train Kept Rolling" along with other famous musicians (I recognized Flea & Joe Perry but couldn't place some of the others). Surely that's easily verifiable due to the widespread coverage of HoF induction ceremonies. --IllaZilla (talk) 19:42, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

"...and ended three marriages"
In this paragraph), what does it mean "ended three marriages"? I looked in the ref, but there was no answer. This sentence is very unclear. Can someone clarify this for me? YemeniteCamel (talk) 10:33, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I assume it means 3 marriages ending in divorce, due to the recording of the album getting in the way of family and such. Annihilation 12 (talk) 21:53, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I realized that. My question was - how, who and when. The reader (me) is left with such big question marks floating in his head. YemeniteCamel (talk) 22:39, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Style and Lyrical Themes
You should include the fact that Kirk Hammett was influenced by Jimi Hendrix. Just letting you know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.255.110.45 (talk) 03:29, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

This is the place where you can learn whatever you want. Thanks Wikipedia!--Tzellos94 (talk) 17:49, 3 May 2009 (UTC) metallica had trust in god to get through —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.63.183.120 (talk) 02:14, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Traditional metal
Just wondering if Traditional heavy metal should be added to the genres? Portillo (talk) 10:14, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Emo
Should be added to the genres... 77.127.223.254 (talk) 11:10, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Any reliable source coverage to back that up? I am skeptical. ~ mazca  t 11:42, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * If you can find a reliable source describing Metallica as emo, I will literally eat my hat. I'm also pretty certain that the universe would cease to exist. --IllaZilla (talk) 20:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I too, would eat my hat. Or perhaps pants, seeing as I don't have a hat. Obhave (talk) 14:13, 19 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not wearing either, what should I eat? 2CrudeDudes (talk) 15:57, 15 January 2010 (UTC)


 * lol permission to delete this friching article lol. Its just stupidity, theres no lagitimetn argumetn over that fact that they could be emo, cus there not! --JBrocksthehouse (talk) 19:39, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Build another Master of Puppets?
Shouldn't this saing be added to the page? I've heard this saying a bit over the internet, so I think it should get some wiki space.

Build another master of puppets (or any phrase along that line) refers to metallica's tendency to, more or less, repackage the same albums over and over again as different albums. The songs (in terms of length, and general song style) on master of puppets resemble all the songs on ride the lightning, and the songs on ..and justice for all resemble the songs on both the two previous releases. Death Magnetic is basically a re-packaged mishmash of their three most popular thrash albums. 72.72.199.25 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:37, 9 May 2009 (UTC).

I don't know what the word 'saing' means, but no it(?) shouldn't. If you think they're re hashed remakes, that's your business. Keep it off wikipedia ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.64.234.155 (talk) 23:08, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I've never heard that particular criticism of Metallica, but for further exploration of that topic feel free to go here, here or here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SaintHammett (talk • contribs) 18:56, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

SaintHammett (talk) 18:57, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Metallica and repackaging that is something I've never heard before. Adding this is not appropriate. Naveenswiki (talk) 12:04, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

acoustic metal
i have created the article for their album acoustic metal, but i can not edit this page. could someone who can put in a mention? thanks MarxistAlliance (talk)

no worries i did it MarxistAlliance (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:48, 11 May 2009 (UTC).
 * That's an official/illegal bootleg and should not have an article. Rehevkor ✉  23:45, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * (And as such I have nominated it for deletion. Rehevkor ✉  16:30, 13 May 2009 (UTC))

creeping death EP
any particular reason creeping death doesnt have an article?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mastermarth (talk • contribs) 16:59, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It does: Creeping Death - Aphasia83 (talk) 18:14, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Kerrang! Awards
according to the article "List of awards and nominations received by Metallica", Metallica won 4 Kerrang! Awards. only one is listed in the Metallica article. the list should be updated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dali.s47 (talk • contribs) 13:18, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Kinda late, but I added it —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daoping (talk • contribs) 18:22, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

GH: Metallica
little thing i was wondering if someone could change for me:

"Eventually in 2009, Metallica collaborated to make Guitar Hero: Metallica, in which several of Metallica's songs were included."

really, shouldn't it read more like "In 2009 Guitar Hero: Metallica was released, a game focused primarily on the band and containing many of their songs."? "several of Metallica's songs" sounds a bit weedy considering the game is all about them. 87.224.19.114 (talk) 08:53, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

The game actually features the band as the characters, and every song was either their's or hand-picked by Metallica. Muttdog (talk) 16:04, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

"...them the only band to do so"
In the opening section it states that Metallica is the only band to ever have 5 consecutive albums debut at number 1. this is no longer accurate because the Dave Matthews Band's newest album "Big Whiskey and the Groogrux King" debuted at number 1, giving them 5 consecutive number 1s also. please change this for accuracy, and look at the album's article on wikipedia for verification.


 * "making Metallica the only band, other than the Dave Matthews Band, to do so." Hahahah, okay, so which is it, the only band? or the only OTHER band? This is a poorly written statement. 2CrudeDudes (talk) 16:08, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

the members' origin
Lars Ulrich is Danish, which is not very clear on the page. He is one half of the original band still being a member, and the actual reason for its existents. Maybe it should say; (...) is an American-Danish/Danish-American heavy metal band (...) ?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.242.113.113 (talk) 00:52, 10 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Ulrich was living in the U.S. when he formed the band; therefore, Metallica is simply an American band, case closed. Vonbontee (talk) 05:06, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Lars' nationality has nothing to do with the fact that the band was entirely U.S. and was based in San Francisco. Muttdog (talk) 16:06, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually the band is from Los Angles. They went to San Francisco because Cliff Burton did not want to go far from home. The Guitar Master (talk) 22:41, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Black album and Tours
It mentions that james had burns and could not play guitar for the rest of the tour. This is inccorect. I saw them in the birmingham on the whenever I may roam tour on 4th Nov 1992 and he played guitar  —Preceding unsigned comment added by MetalMeltia (talk • contribs) 15:57, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but have you got any sources to prove that? Reliable sources? --LordNecronus (talk) 22:30, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Theres video sources on youtube of James playing at the shows about a month or so after the burns, they had a guest guitarist fill in for james rhythm work since his arms were too badly burned to play, and then after he healed he began playing guitar again. he got burned in August 8, 1992.. that tour lasted for 3 years.. its fairly safe to say he would have been healed before the end of the tour --so im just lookin at how the above guy signed his —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.118.130.125 (talk) 13:09, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

also... here is a link to a show they played December 7, 1992. which is just 4 months after James' accident: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4w9ygIIH88&feature=related theres your source --so im just lookin at how the above guy signed his —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.118.130.125 (talk) 18:49, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Genre
I'm sure this has probably been discussed before, but as a Metallica fan, particularly in light of the most recent album, I think the genre needs to be examined again.

Yes, Metallica's Record is spotted with primarily Hard Rock from 1991-2003 (The Black Album-St.Anger), their first four albums served to pioneer Thrash Metal, and the most recent album returns to these types of compositions and influences.

I'm sure there was discussion of this when the album actually came out, but in light of their latest album I think it's a valid change. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.55.148.38 (talk) 00:32, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * What is your question? Both thrash metal and hard rock are present in the front page genre field. The most recent album is not a thrash album it is primarily a heavy metal album with some brief thrash styled elements and only one song which could be described as a thrash metal song from start to finish. So the best overall description for the band is heavy metal. They started as a speed metal band quickly evolving into a thrash band. They had a decade where hard rock was a prominent style. And then they returned to a more consistent heavy metal style. If any change could be made to the genre field in the infobox it should be the removal of speed metal. Since that term only applies to portions of the first album. The most accurate description of the band is that they are a heavy metal band. Cold Goast (talk) 00:43, 15 October 2009 (UTC)


 * (same person, different computer) I'm referring to the -official- label on the first paragraph. Speed metal, while being a prevalent influence on the first album, was still overshadowed by traits that would lead to Thrash Metal. Yes, there was a decade where Metallica walked the Heavy Metal-Hard Rock line, but that's less than half of their time as a formal band, and of that S&M can hardly be counted as it was just a rehashing of earlier music. Yes, they started to drift towards a heavier sound with MoP, Justice and DM, but their first four albums along with their last one (and a few parts from other albums) could all be characterized with at least some Thrash Metal elements. Even with the last one, characterizing it as a Heavy Metal album isn't entirely justified. And even if it was, saying that Thrash and Heavy Metal elements are both found in any given song and then saying that they should be classified as Heavy Metal is nonsensical.


 * If Wikipedia's going for consistency, then you should note that the first four albums along with the last album are all classified, at least partly, as Thrash Metal. If the division is half and half, which the listed Discography is, then it doesn't make much sense to pick Heavy Metal over Thrash given that they not only pioneered the latter, but the last album is not explicitly Heavy Metal.68.55.148.38 (talk) 00:32, 15 October 2009 (UTC)   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.85.54.212 (talk)

Metallica aren't anti-download anymore?? Please comment
I was watching the documentary Global Metal (sequel to Metal: A Headbanger's Journey) and there is an interview with Lars where he says the following (at about 1 hour 19 minutes into the movie, when asked about music downloading):

QUOTE " I think a great thing . . . obviously it's the way to share the stuff and I think it's awesome. I think that we were somewhat, uh... flabbergasted *laughs* at some early internet things that were going on a few years ago, but we're at peace with that, and we champion it like everybody else.

[followed by a short speech on how awesome Lars thinks the internet is, and then...]

I mean listen... at this point, if kids can get their hands on the music it's a great thing. " UNQUOTE

So... should we put this in the section on Metallica vs. music downloading? What do the other members of Metallica think? Can we put Lars quotes up without including the opinions of the others?

(oh and apologies for not just researching it myself, but alas, I am rather lacking as a music geek and downright lousy as a band geek) Obhave (talk) 14:39, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

New Metallica website for External links
http://www.metallicanimes.com

This should be added, set up by record label to promote the July 2009 concert in Nimes, France

Cheers Clyde —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trouper114 (talk • contribs) 13:27, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Shaman
Following history Metallica, and what things were, and are about, concerning having to do work for others who don't really seem to care, and have big attitude, I suppose. I like that they passed out cassette tapes in parking lots and stuff. Can't imagine what F-truck stop was like. Hangar 1375.248.13.150 (talk) 21:21, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Hawkmoth
There is a shortage of return through modern media, and Tomarz is greatly appreciative that one might recognize this, and I'm not to happy about this silly situation when so many see no return because of all the jib jab... whatever. Metallica has provided security for a generation of people, and good hearted working class citizens that have kept countries strong.75.248.175.161 (talk) 02:37, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Alternative Metal
Why was alt metal added as a genre to St Anger as well as its singles and 'The Day that Never Comes'?? Not only is there not a single source that I have seen calling anything by Metallica Alternative Metal but it is also blaitently wrong. I will remove it if it is added again without a reliable source that actually states that the song, band or album is alt metal. Ducky610 (talk) 03:39, 24 November 2009 (UTC)


 * another genius dripping with IQ. BLATANTLY. 2CrudeDudes (talk) 16:02, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

St. Anger solos (lack of)
The article currently states: "St. Anger marked another large change in the band's sound. Bored with guitar solos, Hammett chose to omit them from the album, leaving a 'raw and unpolished sound'." Perhaps this should be rephrased somehow? In Some Kind of Monster, Hammett can be seen strenuously arguing to include guitar solos, so the decision to omit them probably wasn't Hammett's. It used to read "Bored with guitar solos, Ulrich chose to omit them..." before it was recently changed, but I don't think that decision would necessarily fall to Ulrich alone, so I'm not sure the previous version was 100% accurate either. Just something to consider, thanks. 71.162.25.80 (talk) 05:27, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Simple edit request
In the next to last sentence of the section entitled "Newsted's departure and St. Anger (2001–2005)", St. Anger should be italicized. Please change "Having toured for two years in support of St. Anger..." to "Having toured for two years in support of St. Anger..." Thanks. 71.162.25.80 (talk) 07:58, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

In addition, two of the headings need italics. In the section "Burton's death and Garage Days Re-Revisited (1986–1987)", Garage Days Re-Revisited should be italicized, and ditto for the section "Metallica" (has quotes, should be italics). Thanks again. 71.162.25.80 (talk) 08:03, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Done Thanks. Celestra (talk) 11:07, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

"Legacy and Influence" addition
I think it should be mentioned that John Boecklin, drummer for the metal band, 'DevilDriver' should be listed as he has stated Metallica was his inspiration to pick up the drumsticks, and DevilDriver is at least AS popular as most of the bands and members mentioned in that article, if not more so. It is also stated on DevilDriver's wiki page that Boecklin's inspiration was Metallica. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.127.97.178 (talk) 03:39, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Nicknames
Weren't they called Alchollia and The Four Horsemen? If someone could change this, that would be good —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.178.152.137 (talk) 01:03, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

The Unforgiven III
I know The Unforgiven III was not a single from Metallica, but is still a great song. I think they should play it live. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.112.136.96 (talk) 11:46, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

thrash metal?/simple edit request/source request
show me a source where any of the former or current band members at any point have claimed to be thrash metal. i'll admit and agree they have some elements of thrash metal and hard rock.. but i defenately dont think theyre thrash metal. also, you should add in associated acts: apacolyptica, and that pantera was also a band they followed with the the 80s and early 90s —Preceding unsigned comment added by Unitard08 (talk • contribs) 23:02, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you serious? Not thrash metal? They're one of the "big four" thrash metal bands. The sources are present and all over the article. Rehevkor ✉  00:34, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hahahaha 2CrudeDudes (talk) 16:03, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

They're like, the BIGGEST Thrash band on earth dude. get your head straight. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.178.154.131 (talk) 23:07, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Aside from your error of Metallica's primary 80's genre, we cannot add Pantera or Apocalyptica as associated acts. Associated acts means that they shared a member, but neither bands have had the same member in them.JRC3 (talk) 11:37, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Lol Unitard08 fail, (y) (N) ?????? --JBrocksthehouse (talk) 19:43, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

The original band
it says that it primarily consisted of Lars, James, Kirk, and they went through a number of bassists. Well it originally consisted of Lars, James, and Dave mustain. I don't understand why they wouldn't include Dave Mustain in that statement. Maybe we could change that??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.74.148.154 (talk) 23:14, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Mustaine never actually recorded with the band, save for the demo No Life 'Till Leather nor did he make much of an impact to Metallica's years that followed. Besides, this could confuse readers in the introductory paragraph if you think about it (the band didn't primarily have Mustaine as the lead guitarist over the years). So in the long run, he is best left in the history section. We can still keep him and Ron in the 'former members' fragment of the info box, but I say we keep the sentence unchanged. JRC3 •talk• 21:34, 15 February 2010

The band's names,

Ulrich Hetfield hammet trujillo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.103.110.89 (talk) 05:17, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Phantasm rd in infobox?
Hi all. I wrote an article for Phantasm, Ron McGovney's late '80s thrash metal band. I wanted to add an rd to that article to the Associated acts section of the Metallica infobox, but figured I should ask here whether or not people think it's an appropriate addition. McGovney was by no means a critical member of the band beyond being in the formative lineup, but there aren't too many acts associated with Metallica so it didn't seem to threaten to add any unwanted clutter. So I will go ahead and add the rd, unless anyone objects – just let me know. Cheers, Colinclarksmith (talk) 01:14, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It is a rather loose association. Doesn't really qualify under Template:Infobox musical artist. Rehevkor ✉  01:18, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, it's about as "loose" as Megadeth and Echobrain (both of which are associated via only one former Metallica member and therefore also don't qualify for inclusion per Template:Infobox musical artist), and only slightly looser than Exodus (which is associated via one active Metallica member, but also technically doesn't qualify for inclusion in the infobox.) But this is why I asked : ) Colinclarksmith (talk) 01:28, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed, it doesn't look like many listed associations qualify either. Rehevkor ✉  01:32, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Leather Charm and Spastik Children both share multiple members, so they're acceptable, but the others aren't. Personally I think the Template:Infobox musical artist should accommodate groups with one shared member, but I realize I'm not picking the right place to begin this campaign.  Okay, fair enough.  Colinclarksmith (talk) 01:38, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Seek and Destroy
The song "Seek & Destroy" from "Kill 'Em All" has enough information on the album, should make the creation of your page, of course, with the terms of notability on Wikipedia. If they leave, I'll add more information about "Songfacts" and "Allmusic". --Eduardofoxx13 (talk) 18:30, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't understand what you just said, but Seek & Destroy really shouldn't have its own article as it is not a single. Nymf hideliho! 18:48, 18 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I try to tell you to do the article as it has much information on the album, not is a single, but it is very heard song of the band. --Eduardofoxx13 (talk) 19:13, 18 March 2010 (UTC)


 * You should be aware that Songfacts is not a reliable source. Neither is 4horsemensite, which seems to be a fansite. Same for encycmet. And baseballist. And none of the sources used satisfy notability from what I can see. Rehevkor  ✉  18:58, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Infobox Picture
Is there no better picture of the band than the one that's up right now? It's a terribly taken photo which makes them all look really creepy and pudgy and seems to catch them mid-motion. Plus, there's a cymbal in front of Trujillo's face. --Sacularamacal13 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sacularamacal13 (talk • contribs) 04:35, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

go back dave go back
alrite mettallica and megadeath as most of you may know has been making great music for a while and those of you hardcore metal fans may also know that megadeaths frontman dave mustain got kicked out of mettalica years ago giving dave the idea of forming his own band me personnally i like both bands becaus they make great music and also kept thrash metal alive for so long. but for me its not about the past anymore its about the future, both bands are aboout out of inspiration and metal is dying there the ones who can save it by bringing dave back i think that with both of there creativity combined they can still make some great albums. what to do withkurk hammet i dont know meybe the guitarists should switch sides kurk in megadeath and dave in metallica. and dave if your watching this please for the sake of music go back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.185.91.153 (talk) 23:36, 9 April 2010 (UTC)


 * its spelt "Metallica", "Megadeth", "Dave Mustaine", and "Kirk Hammett". horrible grammar, probably a 12 year old fan boy... first of all, neither band is running out of inspiration, they've still got more alums in them, especially since Dave keeps switching his line-up in the band between albums. Second of all, Dave has said he will never do anything with Metallica ever again after the whole Some Kind Of Monster interview incodent (this was pre-Big Four Tour so it shows how good Dave is at staying to his word). Kirk is a lead guitarist in Metallica, why would he go over to Megadeth? what would Chris Broderick do? watch? and I'm sure Dave would have pretty ill feelings toward Kirk taking Dave's position in ANOTHER band, hell.. hes pissed enough as it is that they replaced him with Kirk in Metallica. "for the sake of music"? (metal) music is doing just fine with the two bands keeping themselves the way they are now, no need for any line-up changes.. Trevor McNeil
 * Both of you have terrible grammar. And I really don't see the point in having this on the talk page; you want to speculate about Megadeth and Metallica's future, go somewhere else to discuss it. --LordNecronus (talk) 09:44, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Thrash Metal
"Metallica (pronounced /mɛ.ˈtæ.lɪ.kə/) is an American heavy metal band..."

Bzzt! Wrong answer! Can someone from the peanut gallery tell what the correct answer is? Yes, you over there with the Master of Puppets shirt on.

The correct answer is "Metallica... is an American THRASH METAL band..."

Very good! You win a cookie!

Yay!. Cloudofdarkness (talk) 05:06, 25 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Different sources say different things. Some say heavy metal. Others say thrash metal. Both are covered in the article. But, heavy metal comes up more often and I think is rightly used here. Akerans (talk) 03:09, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, I don't know if we have a policy regarding this, but in cases where a metal band has played several genres (like with Metallica), it's best to use the term "heavy metal" in the opening paragraph rather than go into genre myopia. --LordNecronus (talk) 16:46, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Big Four Tour
why is it that this page doesn't says anything about the "Big Four Tour" in which Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, and Anthrax are going to play together for the first time? I think someone should add this in the page since is going to be an EPIC event in the history of Metallica and Trash Metal Music —Preceding unsigned comment added by Syny6 (talk • contribs) 03:37, 16 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I assume you have a reliable source which discusses this tour? It would be epic, but unless you actually have proof that its happening, we can't add anything to the article.  -- Jayron  32  03:41, 16 June 2010 (UTC)


 * It's happening, here's the event web site. http://www.thebigfourlive.com/ Parad0x130 (talk) 08:28, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Tour ending?
We should have a source for that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 3pointswish (talk • contribs) 11:00, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Former Members
On metallicas timeline it says brad parker was the vocalist for metallica but just for 1 tour day, and also while it doesnt say on there site, many other sites say that loyd grant played lead guitar for the first recording of hit the lights on metal massacre, isnt it worth adding to the former members part —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tbailly (talk • contribs) 23:49, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

No, because neither members had much significance in Metallica beyond a one-song demo (Grant) and a live show (Parker). As I said earlier in someone else's question, they are better left out of the article besides the history section.Jonah Ray Cobbs 05:14, 21 August 2010 (UTC)JRC3 —Preceding unsigned comment added by JRC3 (talk • contribs)

Clarified
Paragraph read:  Hetfield recalls, "I saw the bus lying right on him. I saw his legs sticking out. I freaked. The bus driver, I recall, was trying to yank the blanket out from under him to use for other people. I just went, 'Don't fucking do that!' I already wanted to kill the guy.[25]"  It sounds like he Hetfield wanted to kill Burton. I added the remainder of the quote and clarified it a bit. Serious misstatement considering the issue of the paragraph is Burton's death. It now reads:  Hetfield recalls, "I saw the bus lying right on him. I saw his legs sticking out. I freaked. The bus driver, I recall, was trying to yank the blanket out from under him to use for other people. I just went, 'Don't fucking do that!' I already wanted to kill the [the bus driver]. I don't know if he was drunk or if he hit some ice. All I knew was, he was driving and Cliff wasn't alive anymore."
 * I further edited this to remove the second "the". Nick Number (talk) 18:44, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 67.127.184.17, 4 September 2010
San Francisco is misspelled in the first sentence ("...from San Francisco...") and should be fixed. For that matter, the info box gives their origin as Los Angeles so maybe only one of those is accurate and the other should be changed. In case they're from both places, great.

67.127.184.17 (talk) 03:07, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ Fixed spelling. Though not sure about the part that says Los Angeles; I dont know which one they are from. Thanks, Stickee (talk)  04:22, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

band pictures
anyone mind throwing up a picture of Jason up, i see that theirs one of cliff which is great and we can forget how much of an important part Jason played in his years with metallica  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Feedmyeyes (talk • contribs) 17:15, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Bootlegs?
Can someone make a list of bootlegs, the Nirvana page has one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.137.137.131 (talk) 03:19, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * There are thousands of bootlegs out there, the vast, vast majority are unlikely to be any way notable. Rehevkor ✉  12:21, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

GENRE SHOULD BE CHANGED
The only time they were close to doing Hard Rock was Load and even then technically, that was Heavy Metal, just a bit lighter. And they never did plain old 'rock', and didn't really do speed metal, I believe that thrash metal and heavy metal should be the only present genres. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.229.59.15 (talk) 22:56, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Nothing Else Matters is a rock song.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daoping (talk • contribs) 13:55, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe maybe. But one song in hundreds does not dictate's a whole band's genre. Rehevkor ✉  14:28, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Should add...
That they were influenced by Queen and Thin Lizzy in the way they harmonized the guitars. This is mentioned in the Garage Inc. liner notes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.229.59.15 (talk) 23:00, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

napster
I'll review the archives etc. for previous discussions, but I wanted to note that at this stage, including info. on the napster shenanigans in the lead is, in my view, inappropriate, squeezing just over the line and falling foul of 'undue weight'. I'll try and suggest some improvements in due course once I've checked out where / how much this has been covered before.... cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 04:34, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

New Album
I'm new to wikipedia, but i would like to add to the page that Lars ulrich announced as of Nov. 12 2010 that they will start the writing/recording process on a new album on March/April of 2011. http://www.nme.com/news/metallica/53821

I can't edit this article so i would like someone else to add this please thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bozzat (talk • contribs) 12:35, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Logo
Could anyone add some information about Metallica's "ninja" star-ish logo? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daoping (talk • contribs) 15:41, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

More Big Four dates
You should add the new Big Four tour dates next year. http://metallica.com/index.asp?item=603513 Also, as the page suggests, keep looking out for more to come. And change the sentence about the Live at Grimey's EP to past tense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nukehead1980 (talk • contribs) 23:56, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Criticism section?
Mettalica has been criticized so many times we could probably write a separate article on it, but should we maybe include the non-stop allegations of plagirisation in a new section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lookingthrough (talk • contribs) 17:11, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Long Paragraphs
Some paragraphs are way toooo long and kind of blur together. But this is a great article about the band. Thank you to all the editors here! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atheistman666 (talk • contribs) 04:26, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Under Legacy and influence
Virginia Tech began using Metallica’s “Enter Sandman” song as the football team’s entrance music during the 2000 season. When the song is played, fans begin jumping up and down in the stadium as the players enter.

Virginia Tech's Lane Stadium Is a Hostile Environment for Visiting Teams

The Story Behind Virginia Tech’s Enter Sandman Tradition

--Laughin (talk) 16:48, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Associated acts
The infobox currently reads "Associated acts: Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax". I was under the impression that this section was for side-projects and other bands that share members with the 'parent' band? I'm pretty new to the wiki thing, so I'll leave it as it, but I'd appreciate if someone could link me to the guidlines for this section for future reference. cheers, Postrock1 (talk) 13:44, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The infobox documentation has some guidelines on associated acts here. Rehevkor ✉  14:22, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, as far as I know, the 'associated acts' section is for bands with the same members, not bands of the same genre. I have fixed it. And do not revert it! --Blaguymonkey (talk) 06:42, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Atlantic Records?
Why is this article under the Category:Atlantic Records artists? As far as I know, Metallica did not release anything through Atlantic Records. So for now, I am going to remove it. If I am wrong and Metallica actually did release something through Atlantic, then go ahead and re-add it. :) --Blaguymonkey (talk) 07:50, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Associated acts
I'm not 100% sure about the term 'Associated acts', but I think there is some bands missing. E.g. Ozzy Osbourne? Because Rob Trujillo played in Ozzy Osbourne and Jason Newsted went to Ozzy Osbourne after Rob Trujillo left. Right?Daoping (talk) 12:34, 20 February 2011 (UTC)


 * The infobox documentation has some guidelines on associated acts here. I imagine, like most bands, most of those listed would not qualify. Rehevkor ✉  18:21, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I've changed this to include the others from the 'big 4' (mentioned in the lead) - I agree that the previous bands weren't really a good fit. Privatemusings (talk) 00:57, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

The 'associated acts' section is for bands with the same members, not bands of the same genre. I have fixed it and do not revert it! --Blaguymonkey (talk) 06:44, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

New album 2011 plan
Could anybody write something about this: http://blogs.sfweekly.com/shookdown/2011/02/metallica_plans_new_record_tha.php -Daoping (talk) 20:15, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Influenced by the Sex Pistols?
I have never heard of Metallica being influenced by the Sex Pistols. Is there a reliable source for this? If not, I will remove it. --Blaguymonkey (talk) 03:50, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

All thrash metal bands were. Thrash metal itself is influenced by punk rock. Both Metallica and Megadeth did punk rock covers actually --Revilal90 (talk) 08:30, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I know, but I have only heard of Metallica being influenced by the Ramones and The Clash. I personally have not heard anything about Metallica being influenced by the Sex Pistols. I know for sure Megadeth was influenced by the Sex Pistols (covering "Anarchy in the U.K., as most bands cover their influences). And I know Metallica covered Ramones songs (every song on the "St. Anger" single is a Ramones cover). Also covering "53rd & 3rd" on the We're a Happy Family tribute album. But Metallica has not covered a Sex Pistols song, as why I was not convinced that the Sex Pistols were really an influence to Metallica. --Blaguymonkey (talk) 10:52, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Damage Inc. Tour picture
The Damage Inc. Tour picture got deleted. Anyone got a replacement picture? Daoping (talk) 12:29, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

One has been added (but not by me). --Blaguymonkey (talk) 10:55, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Forming the Band
James also posted an ad in the same newspaper, but no one responded to his, so he called Lars

Do you have a source? --Blaguymonkey (talk) 10:54, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Associated Acts
Can someone please clean up the Associated Acts, for one Echobrain was never associated with Metallica and James removed Jason from the band when Jason went serious with Echobrain. A more accurate portrayal of recent associated acts would be the "big 4" which are Anthrax, Slayer, Megadeth and Metallica. The Big 4 shared the same stage for "Am I Evil?", put an end to some 25+ year feuds and toured together and have alot of upcoming dates to tour with each other again. 220.253.86.146 (talk) 06:50, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Awards
Rolling Stone ranked some of Metallica's albums on their top 500 list Puppets is 167 Metallica is 252 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.237.136.170 (talk) 01:44, 27 February 2011 (UTC)


 * how long ago was this? 69.233.0.94 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:43, 28 March 2011 (UTC).

Broken Page
The page is broken. 72.70.203.28 (talk) 13:25, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

The pronunciation
I understand that the pronunciation of "Metallica" is axiomatic, but the audio in the article makes it sound like "Metallikay."

I say this because some who have no idea of what it really sounds like could become confused.

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.114.59.81 (talk) 09:12, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Omitted material
Reading both the "Napster Controversy" and "Newsted's Departure" sections, I noticed much material was omitted, such as the fans' reactions to the Napster lawsuit and the video coverage regarding this event. Also, upon Newsted leaving the band, the article makes no mention about James, Lars, and Kirk spending time with the family, while Jason, who was not married or had children was left with a lot of free time on his hands. Why was this left out? --Radicalfaith360

completely agree. The important part of the Napster controversy was how Metallica lost their dignity in the eyes of the young audience as a result of their action. The image of metallica has never been the same since, no matter how many well-paid PR agencies will try to clean up Metallica's Wikipedia article. --85.178.72.98 (talk) 16:43, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Timeline
The timeline for Robert Trujillo is a little ambigous as he did not play the bass on st. anger as indicated (He did play on the rehearsal dvd included though) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.184.162.233 (talk) 22:34, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * While he didn't play on the album, he was a full member when it was released, hence problems with the timeline. Not sure of the best way to address it though. Rehevkor ✉  22:45, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Thrash Metal
I really love Metallica,but when you mention the Thrash Metal bands and I never see mention of Iron Maiden, I wonder where the sound Originated if not there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.179.177.60 (talk) 18:10, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * See Metallica, Iron Maiden is mentioned as an influence there. Rehevkor ✉  18:25, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Use of music in other media
Someone wrote the following in the introduction section;

''Metallica is known for not letting movies or t.v. shows use their music[citation needed]. However, they allowed the use of their songs in Hesher because Joseph Gordon Levitt's character, Hesher, reminded them of Cliff Burton.[citation needed]''

Besides it having no citations and in the wrong place article-wise, this is simply not true. I could name several movies/tv-shows using music by Metallica.

Therefore it should be deleted. 77.249.146.199 (talk) 17:12, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Band Members
In the timeline & in the former members category, Lloyd Grant appears as a former member, though he NEVER was a member of Metallica. He was a member of Leather Charm, a band that preceded Metallica. In Leather Charm were James Hetfield & Ron McGovney of Metallica. Grant was given credit to the original solo to Hit the Lights (The version that appears on the Metal Massacre compilation). He should be removed from the list. Added should be Brad Parker, as he played once in Metallica (April 23, 1982) on Rhythm Guitar http://www.metlists.com/Setlists1982.htm#mar27a

Please consider the edits BlueJacketGuy (talk) 01:05, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Metaluva, 30 April 2011
The band announced another Big 4 show on the 29th April scheduled for Yankee Stadium, New York on 14th September 2011

Metaluva (talk) 20:21, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

You need to have a WP:RSHardy Heck (talk) 00:03, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Ron McGovney reference in third sentence.
[Referred to sentence] Notable previous members of the band include former lead guitarist Dave Mustaine (who later went on to found the band Megadeth) and former bassists Ron McGovney, Cliff Burton and Jason Newsted.

I really think that this sentence does a disservice to Dave Mustaine and Cliff Burton when you include Ron McGovney in the same sentence as a "notable previous member". I'm okay with leaving Jason in the sentence but what was notable about Ron McGovney? He gets plenty of credit throughout the page as a former member but he was by no means notable. He completely dropped off the face of the earth after he left and we all know about Dave Mustaine and Cliff Burton's contributions to Metallica. Please consider dropping his name from this sentence

I agree. Ron McGovney's most notable project was Metallica. Besides that, he never really did anything worthy of mention.--Greenday22 (talk) 04:34, 26 June 2011 (UTC)Greenday22

Well, If you're going to split hairs, then you're doing a dis-service to Newsted/Burton by mentioning Mustaine in the same sentence. If you consider his contributions objectively, at least. Plus whether you like it or not, Bob Rock has more official song writing credits than all 4 of them, with 11 Compared to Burton [9], Mustaine [6], Newsted [3] and McGovney [0]. And unlike McGovney and Mustaine, he actually plays an instrument on a Metallica studio album. Therefore any article in which Ron McGovney is listed as a bass player for Metallica should also include Bob Rock, whether you like early or late Metallica, or his work as a producer or not. Since this is an encyclopedia [and a VERY highly visited page of it for that matter] and not a fan-boy site where you can ignore contributions of musicians on a whim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.16.75.24 (talk) 13:23, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

This sounds more like your personal opinion. it does not matter if McGovney was "by no means 'notable'", he was still in the band, and his name should stay in the sentence, whether you like it or not. --Blaguymonkey (talk) 00:54, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

@120.16.75.24 And by the way, Burton did not only write 9 songs, he wrote 11, the same amount as Bob Rock. --Blaguymonkey (talk) 00:54, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from MaartenMagielse, 1 May 2011
I want to request to change the music genre of metallica. This is clearly not trash- or speedmetal, but just metal, or hardrock.

MaartenMagielse (talk) 18:10, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Reliable source? C T J F 8 3  21:15, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Urchin
Dare any to use this name? One was based on a fictional movie, not Vietnam. Whatever hurts the most... How many fictional charactors ride Harleys? Many! Wanted to say hi to Lars. Met Him at Tower in Atlanta. Where do ya' go from there? Aces High 75.224.4.58 (talk) 03:59, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from XBIGJIMX, 25 May 2011
In the section where it list people who have tried out for Metallica after cliff died Steve Youth from the punk band 7 Seconds tried out as well. I have worked for 7 seconds for 20 years i know the story the artist Pushead who was from steve's hometown Reno, NV got him the audition

XBIGJIMX (talk) 06:54, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Alpha Quadrant    talk    22:29, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

New Album in 2011?
I just read on the official Metallica website that they have almost finished recording some new material with Lou Reed and may plan on releasing it. Should this be added to the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knightrider abhi (talk • contribs) 04:28, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Bob Rock
In former members nowhere it says Bob Rock. and here I read: For the duration of the recording period, producer Bob Rock played bass, both on the album and for the few live shows at which Metallica performed during that time frame.[45] Once the record was completed, in early 2003, the band started to hold auditions for Newsted's permanent replacement.

So he was some kind of member because he played on one of the records like a session guitarist those are always noted. He was never an official member or Metallica,even though he played bass on St.Anger and a handful of live shows he was still technically their producer,therefore he shouldn't be listed there.

well I will see If this is ever going to be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.94.154.229 (talk) 22:26, 21 July 2011 (UTC) ^This was me — Preceding unsigned comment added by Twiggstick (talk • contribs) 22:28, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Dynamite9907, 21 August 2011
For the article that's called new album and future, Metallica recently announced that their new album with Lou Reed was to be called "Lulu" so the article should be called "Lulu" or "Lulu and future"

Dynamite9907 (talk) 22:47, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you have a source for the title of the album as it has not been added to the article yet. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 23:27, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Genre
Hello I'm an anonymous contributor and i think that in the first line it should be American Thrash Metal band, because they're one of the founding thrash metal bands and part of the big four so as Megadeth on it's thread. And even though they've made a few songs with a hard rock sound it shouldn't appear as their Genre because their Genre is Thrash/Heavy Metal. These are just my opinions and thank you for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.90.5.118 (talk) 11:54, 27 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Not all their music falls under the thrash metal subgenre. "Heavy metal" is a decent average to use in the lead. By the way, "Thrash Metal" should not be capitalized - it's not a proper noun.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 18:11, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Yennik100, 30 August 2011
The third reference at the bottom of this page links to an article mentioning Metallica's 5th straight number one album. In the reference, the world "straight" is misspelled as "streight."

Yennik100 (talk) 20:25, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done — Bility (talk) 21:12, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Style and Influence
Sex Pistols are listed as an influence here. I have been a Metallica fan for 15 years and have never once heard any Metallica member or journalist refer to the Sex Pistols as one of Metallica's influences in any way. I'm not taking anything away from the Sex Pistols, who I respect to a certain degree. But to say they were an influence on Metallica is, as far as I know, completely unfounded. Somebody please agree and rectify this! 119.12.192.82 (talk) 11:07, 8 September 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.12.192.82 (talk) 11:03, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Hetfield is the only member I know of that even likes the Sex Pistols at all. I know that Ulrich does not like them, and I am not sure about the other members. But just because Hetfield likes them does not make them an influence to Metallica. Though I have heard of them, Ulrich in particular (I am not sure about the other members), being influenced by The Clash. So maybe The Clash should be added to the influences. Though this should be discussed before adding it. --BLAguyMONKEY! (talk) 08:28, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Rolling Stone's 100 Greatest Artists
Didn't see it mentioned in the article, but i didnt check the archives to see if this has been brought up. Anyways, Jasper420  05:40, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Quote in the Lulu and future events section
In the Lulu and future events section, the quote from Trujillo seems to have a typo in the part "And it's only gonna better." It seems like it should be "And it's only gonna get better." But I thought that I should discuss it before changing it. --BLAguyMONKEY! (talk) 08:41, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Pronunciation
The article states that the pronunciation of the name Metallica is as follows: məˈtælɨkə/ But shouldn't it be məˈtælɨkæ/, instead? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oulipal (talk • contribs) 22:27, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * It would be if there was constant emphasis, but in normal speech the first "a" (Metallica) is given more emphasis than the other one (Metallica). In cases such as this, the lack of emphasis closes the mouth a little, so a different sound is produced:, which is something like "uh". Incidentally, this is the same sound difference betweens the "a"s as in the word "alpha", and so by extension my username. Of course, while both these instances apply to standard pronunciations (in this case in both American and British English), they may not apply to certain regional accents. Alphathon  /'æɫfə.θɒn/ (talk ) 00:52, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Timeline
I think the timeline chart is useless. Does the length of the membership of each band member need to be depicted by a chart taking half of the screen? There has not been that many changes in the line-up expect for the very early days, so I suggest the chart to be deleted. Michal Stankoviansky (talk) 08:51, 28 October 2011 (UTC).

Lloyd Grant

This post isn't about deleting or not the timeline;for the record I find it very useful. Whoever did it forgot to include Lloyd Grant as the lead guitarrist during 1982, when Metallica released their first demo in "Metal Massacre"; to be replaced by Mustaine in the same year.

I leave this as a notice, I am going to actually try to fix that; perhaps I'll be kind of a Newbie doing it, so this will help to correct, or at least explain, some possible mistakes.

30th Aniversary Shows
Someone needs to add some information about that to the article, like the band playing with Jason Newsted again, and doing those five Diamond Head covers and releasing "Hate Train" on other unreleased songs from the Death Magnetic sessions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.88.3.159 (talk) 01:40, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Italians already have done it, Concerto del 30° Anniversario dei Metallica. --Gabrasca (talk) 19:38, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Lloyd Grant?
Should he be added under the "past members" section? He played on Hit the Lights on "Metal Massacre", Metallica's first release. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.229.114.180 (talk) 10:30, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Previous consensus seems to indicate he was never an official member of the band. Яehevkor ✉  12:01, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Singles
Hi. many months later I searched on Metallica.com the singles of all their albums. I put the release date on the page of the albums and I remove the songs that aren't a single. But my edit was always clear and now I insert the singles here:

Singles from Kill 'Em All
 * 1) Whiplash (released on August 8, 1983)
 * 2) Jump in the Fire (released on January 20, 1984)

Singles from Ride the Lightning
 * 1) Creeping Death (released on November 23, 1984)

Singles from Master of Puppets
 * 1) Master of Puppets (released on July 2, 1986)

Singles from ...And Justice for All
 * 1) Harvester of Sorrow (released on August 28, 1988)
 * 2) Eye of the Beholder (released on October 30, 1988)
 * 3) One (released on January 10, 1989)

Singles from Metallica
 * 1) Enter Sandman (released on July 29, 1991)
 * 2) The Unforgiven (released on October 28, 1991)
 * 3) Nothing Else Matters (released on April 20, 1992)
 * 4) Wherever I May Roam (released on October 19, 1992)
 * 5) Sad But True (released on February 8, 1993)

Singles from Load
 * 1) Until It Sleeps (released on May 21, 1996)
 * 2) Hero of the Day (released on September 9, 1996)
 * 3) Mama Said (released on November 25, 1996)
 * 4) King Nothing (released on January 7, 1997)

Singles from ReLoad
 * 1) The Memory Remains (released on November 11, 1997)
 * 2) The Unforgiven II (released on February 23, 1998)
 * 3) Fuel (released on June 22, 1998)

Singles from Garage Inc.
 * 1) Turn the Page (released on November 16, 1998)
 * 2) Whiskey in the Jar (released on February 1, 1999)
 * 3) Die, Die My Darling (released on June 7, 1999)

Singles from S&M
 * 1) Nothing Else Matters (released on November 22, 1999)
 * 2) No Leaf Clover (released on March 20, 2000)

Singles from St. Anger
 * 1) St. Anger (released on June 23, 2003)
 * 2) Frantic (released on September 15, 2003)
 * 3) The Unnamed Feeling (released on January 12, 2004)
 * 4) Some Kind of Monster (released on July 13, 2004)

Singles from Death Magnetic
 * 1) The Day That Never Comes (released on August 21, 2008)
 * 2) All Nightmare Long (released on December 15, 2008)
 * 3) Broken, Beat & Scarred (released on April 3, 2009)

It's OK now? --SuperVirtual (talk) 09:16, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 6 January 2012
I would like to rerecord the pronunciation of "Metallica." The original editor's recording cuts off the 'a' at the end, making it sound more like an "eh" sound than an "uh" sound, which is the correct sound.

XcKyle93 (talk) 09:18, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -- Bryce  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 11:43, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Heavy Metal Band
I don't know if put them under the "heavy metal" label would be accurated. They surely started as one, but as creators of a hole new brand of music, I think that the right thing to do is to say that they are a thrash metal band.Mechita korn (talk) 05:29, 2 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I think it all depends on what you think the term "heavy metal" means -- whether it refers to the whole metal genre, or just the "heavy metal" style of the late sixties and early seventies invented by Black Sabbath. If you're referring to the latter, then I would agree with you that Metallica's music really expands beyond that style, but if "heavy metal" is just referring to the whole genre (i.e. would also include death metal and groove metal and all of that), then it is perfectly accurate to call Metallica a "heavy metal band," although there's probably a clearer way to go about it. 76.20.12.54 (talk) 02:27, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Napster Controversy
I realize this may be a controversial addition, so I am proposing it on the talk page. I recently read Ian Christe's "Sound of the Beast" book about the history of heavy metal, and he said that the beginnings of the band Metallica were when James Hetfield and Lars Ulrich were in high school. Apparently Lars Ulrich, who was originally from Denmark, owned a large collection of metal records from Europe that were not yet available in the United States. Ian Christe reports about the band's early history, discussing the period before Metallica released their first recording on a Metal Massacre compilation, "Not that it mattered much--the group's activities were limited to playing choppy Diamond Head covers in a bedroom on nights when Hetfield came over to tape LPs from Ulrich's exhaustive collection." (p.55) This seems to me to make Metallica's later stances about Napster somewhat hypocritical, as it would imply that members of the band shared music with each other in a similar way to what they later objected to so strongly in their suit against Napster. It popped into my head while I was reading this article, and fortunately Google books has a search function, because I already returned the book to the library. I thought it might be worth adding to the section about the Napster controversy, or to the section about the early history of the band. Does anyone more experienced on Wikipedia than myself have any thoughts about this, or a recommendation of how and where to add it? 76.20.12.54 (talk) 02:20, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit cards
I would just like to state that to decide where the members would sleep they drew "straws" not "cards" hence the name of the song "Shortest Straw"

Cheesesteve (talk) 10:54, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Believe it or not, but we NEED to put another member in past members.
You can argue with this, but Lloyd Grant joined Metallica before Metallica officially formed. He was the lead guitarist for a very short time but left. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMetallican (talk • contribs) 23:45, 17 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Both of these sources clearly depict Grant as a guest musician, not a proper member. Furthermore, all of the band's primary sources (their webpages, official bios, etc.) all deny Grant the status of membership.  The band says it, we report it as such.  Grant was not a member.  CCS81 (talk) 03:00, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Ulrich says it here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Uyj8dcppJc He was on their first recorded demo and played with them on the 30th Anniversary! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.4.153.109 (talk) 21:16, 6 April 2012 (UTC) his name is still mentioned in the liner notes of the album Garage Inc as being the Lead Guitarist for a brief time.
 * He was a guest and not a member. Mr Pyles (talk) 02:37, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

New album TBA
Metallica said that they are planning to release a new album in either the end of 2012, or beginning of 2013. They said it would be not EXTREMELY complex as Death Magnetic was, but it will be like their thrash albums only more of a heavier version of Metallica (black album). — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMetallican (talk • contribs) 00:11, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Source?--L1A1 FAL (talk) 01:58, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * @ L1A1 FAL, the source is this Rock Sound news post. @ TheMetallican, to add the source to the article you must add this:  — Nite-Sirk (talk) 15:29, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Well that's where I got my source — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMetallican (talk • contribs) 20:52, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Add to lead: RRHOF
Induction in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame should be in the lead section. I would add it, but a note told me to discuss before adding to the lead. Any disagreement? DFS (talk) 04:18, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * OK adding it. Non-controversial, anyway. DFS (talk) 03:08, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Danish/American?
In Danish media, Metallica is frequently referred to as a Danish/American -- or American/Danish or variations thereof -- band, due to the fact that co-founding member Lars Ulrich is Danish and because Metallica had base in Denmark for a few years in their early history (and recorded a couple of albums there). Should or shouldn't this be reflected in the Wiki-page? And why not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.57.143.170 (talk) 10:06, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Any links for these media sources? But the fact that the band's origins are in America, the majority of their time has been based in America (this article only says Ride the Lightning was recorded in Denmark) and the majority of the band's members are American. Saying "Danish/American" at this point would probably be giving the point undue weight (WP:UNDUE is not directly related, but has some valid points). Яehevkor ✉  10:30, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * A couple of links (in Danish, naturally, look for dansk-amerikansk): http://www.metroxpress.dk/kultur/metallica-skal-bag-tremmer/KObklb!YJRQVCJIR1yiY/ http://ekstrabladet.dk/musik/intlmusiknyt/article1704846.ece There are also examples of Danish media writing this in English, eg.: http://cphpost.dk/culture/culture-news/metallica-spend-night-danish-prison Master of Puppets was also recorded in Denmark (in Sweet Silence Studios, just like Ride the Lightning). All Metallica songs (except Motorbreath by Hetfield and the Bass solo on Kill 'em All by Burton) are written by Hetfield, Ulrich and possibly others, but I think most people would agree that Hetfield and Ulrich are the the core of Metallica, like Lennon and McCartney was for the Beatles. I do therefore think that the argument of the majority of band members being American is of less importance. If writing American/Danish could downplay the "Danish," I think that could be a possibility. It is of course a matter of balancing the lesser importance of the "Danish" part with the lesser correctness of just writing American. 87.57.143.170 (talk) 11:27, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

segundo disco.
en este articulo no se habla mucho del segundo album:ride lhighimg cuando es sin duda el mejor que han hecho. peter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.224.105.247 (talk) 19:15, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

''Google translation of the above comment:

In this article does not speak much of the second album: ride the lightning when it is without doubt the best they have done. Peter.''

Alphathon  /'æɫfə.θɒn/ (<font color="#900">talk ) 01:03, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

As far as I know, a persons (or groups) personal view is not meant to influence the content of a page.

Matthias Frost (talk) 04:00, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Pro taping policy / underground trading of demos
There should be mention of the bands pro-taping policy back in the 90s. Their website FAQ still says they allow taping but in reality it's never in the rider when they do shows. If I'm not mistaken, their previous stance was frequently mentioned during the Napster controversy to point out the bands "hypocracy." Also, I believe I could find a source where James speaks of spreading the NLTL demo in trading circles and also partially attributes it to their early success. Any opinions? UselessToRemain (talk) 20:43, 23 June 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by UselessToRemain (talk • contribs) 20:40, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

About the audio samples
I'm curious to know why there isn't a single audio sample of any Metallica song? What does it take to download such a sample? Many smaller and less popular musicians have their own music examples on Wikipedia, but somehow Metallica doesn't. And if it's possible, may someone be useful and do the job?--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 20:28, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Blackened Recordings
Metallica has started a new record label, Blackened Recordings. You might want to put together some sources and start a new article about the label. --BigBabyChips (talk) 00:37, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Sales update
Shouldn't you make an update about the band's sales in the Nielsen Soundscan era? The given number is from 2009, and by now it must gone bigger. Here's a link.--89.205.37.166 (talk) 23:36, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Death Magnetic (2006–2011)
The last two paragraphs in thi section appear to have been written quite some time ago and refer to announcements that have either come to fruition or haven't. While they contain interesting quotes from the band members, I believe the paragraphs should be omitted. BrianO (talk) 16:32, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Playboy Interview
Here is a new link to it: http://www.playboy.com/playground/view/50-years-of-the-playboy-interview-metallica This link can replace the dead citation 41. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.2.246.102 (talk) 22:22, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Self-published source in a BLP article

 * This discussion was moved to Reliable sources/Noticeboard. Dan56 (talk) 01:18, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Unless the blog posts from blabbermouth.net are by the living person being covered, references to this site should be removed (WP:BLPSPS). Even the "high-quality reliable sources" criteria would advise against using an Internet blog. Dan56 (talk) 19:50, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I wasn't aware that this was a questionable source, WikiProject_Albums/Sources lists it as usable? Has there been a discussion to deem the site unreliable or vice-versa? I'm aware Blabbermouth is a blog-style news site, but that doesn't mean it's unreliable, look at Kotaku. The FAC makes no mention of Blabbermouth.. <FONT COLOR="red">Я</FONT>ehevkor ✉  20:09, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The search provides some discussion on the site, I've not read through it all but the consensus seemed to be between on the fence and reliable. <FONT COLOR="red">Я</FONT>ehevkor ✉  20:23, 8 June 2013 (UTC)


 * A more recent discussion was at the talk page for the blabbermouth article. There is no coverage of the site by independent sources, and it appears to be the work of one site administrator; blogs are usually run by one person or a small group. It is at best questionable and hardly appropriate for an FA article, although the standards at FAC have been raised considerably since '08. Even the poorly sourced article on blabbermouth brings up the site's questionable reliability. I wish I could say it has a poor reputation for fact-checking and editorial oversight, but its lack of coverage suggests it has no reputation altogether. According to WP:BLPSPS, "Some news organizations host online columns that they call blogs, and these may be acceptable as sources so long as the writers are professionals and the blog is subject to the newspaper's full editorial control." This site has blog posts with no authorship, and the site's founder (and only known member) Borivoj Krgin is of no repute. Dan56 (talk) 01:00, 9 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure that if this article would be reassessed, the references to the site would have to go. I'm not sure about the interviews, but at the very least, the material cited with the site (such as ref# 6, 8, and 139) should be replaced with reliable sources or be removed (if it's really really worth reporting, someone else will probably have done so through a reliable source). Although even the interview cited to ref# 21 is a claim made about a third party. My reason for bringing this up stems from some editor trying to use this questionable source at ...And Justice for All (album) and defending it by citing this article as an example of its acceptability, even though it clearly isn't appropriate for a BLP article nor is it the high-quality source required by FAC. Dan56 (talk) 01:12, 9 June 2013 (UTC)


 * If the feel the Blabbermouth is questionable it should be brought up at WP:RSN again, Talk:Blabbermouth.net isn't the correct venue for the discussion of the site as source. I don't know about FA standards but the general consensus of the project currently seems to be that it's usable. <FONT COLOR="red">Я</FONT>ehevkor ✉  08:51, 9 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I didn't see any consensus at RSN. I've solicited editors for comments here anyway. Dan56 (talk) 16:25, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello, I was solicited for comments, I'm assuming because I'm signed up for the RfC program. Anyways, I took a minute to glance over the site and I'm going to have to say it's unreliable, in my opinion. None of the news reports on the site have an author given and the excessive and random use of bold face leads me to believe that it may exist as a promotional, seo-scrape style site. It also seems like it might rely on user-generated content, which would make it unreliable.
 * Is there any evidence of this site being used as a source by other major publications? I know that's not what WP policy is based on, but if, say, the Associated Press feels confident referring to it in an article, it may be reliable. As far as I can tell, it's run by one super-dedicated fan who gathers news on his own, which may also make it a self-published source (I'm not confident about how that works in regards to websites). -- T K  K  bark  !  16:49, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you Tikuko, although I still maintain WP:RSN or Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albums/Sources are the correct venues for this. <FONT COLOR="red">Я</FONT>ehevkor ✉  17:06, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I would take it there as well, someone with more knowledge of these things is more likely to see it there.-- T K  K  bark  !  17:17, 9 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi all, User:Dan56 also asked me to chime in. Right off the bat I don't think this blog is a reliable source, in a BLP context or otherwise. I might be wrong - even a blog might rise above the constraints of the medium. But looking at its page I see that its notability is in question, and that it is operated by some dude. No editorial oversight, no accountability. I'm actually surprised that a GA or FA relies on this type of source so much. Looking at some of the citations for example, there are things that could be easily sourced to other places (e.g., this for example) and some which look a bit dicey, like this: according to several unconfirmed Internet reports.... Also some of the archived links in the Wayback machine are broken, as well as some that seem to have been archived at Roadrunner Records. But I agree that the best place for this discussion is probably WP:RS/N since there are likely a lot more experienced pairs of eyes there than here. § FreeRangeFrog croak 17:51, 10 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the comments, I've started a post for this at Reliable_sources/Noticeboard. Dan56 (talk) 01:19, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Fully protected because of the "timeline" edit war
So far, the only discussion between Randomuser112 and TheSickBehemoth has taken place in edit summaries, which is unacceptable per WP:BRD. Discuss it here so a consensus can be reached. I noticed at least one linked MOS page thrown about, but admittedly I haven't read it, because I don't care either way despite the fact that I protected the wrong version (oh, well). Figure it out. Jauerbackdude?/dude. 12:08, 17 July 2013 (UTC)


 * There are only four former members, and two of them left the band before the first album was recorded. Absolutely no need for a timeline. Randomuser112 (talk) 13:21, 17 July 2013 (UTC)


 * That's your opinion. The timeline was implemented a while back and no one had a problem with it until you came along. There are other bands on Wikipedia with less members or the same amount of members as Metallica and still have a timeline. Some people might want to see what lineup recorded a certain album, so your claim of "no need for a timeline" is your own opinion. Leave it be. Thanks. TheSickBehemoth (talk) 14:17, 17 July 2013 (UTC)TheSickBehemoth
 * Bullshit. The presence of a timeline is determined by the number of members, not your preference. Randomuser112 (talk) 14:47, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Determined by consensus actually. I have no objection to it staying. <FONT COLOR="red">Я</FONT>ehevkor ✉  15:11, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Why should it stay? Randomuser112 (talk) 15:16, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It gives a good visual representation of the members/years and their roles. It provides this information at a glance that would not be as easily portrayed through text alone. There may not have been many lineup changes but there have been enough to take advantage of this format. <FONT COLOR="red">Я</FONT>ehevkor ✉  15:22, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * There's the Former members section right above the timeline. That's enough. Randomuser112 (talk) 15:30, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay. Everyone's entitled to their opinion. <FONT COLOR="red">Я</FONT>ehevkor ✉  15:35, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreed with Rehevkor. As I said earlier, you are the only one who objects to leaving the timeline. It wasn't hurting anyone having it present, and does not infringe any of Wikipedia's guidelines. And your only argument as to why it should be deleted it because "there is no need". Extremely weak argument. Just let it be, and if it bothers you so much, then don't look at it. TheSickBehemoth (talk) 18:40, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Just an FYI, it looks like the timeline has been here since late 2009. Jauersockdude?/dude. 19:04, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Hard rock
Hi. Just to make it official here, I'm challenging the "hard rock" from the genre sidebar. I found no references qualifying the band as hard rock, which implies that is has to be removed. While the others three genres are well referenced, this one is only mentioned as an influence on Reload in Rolling Stone's review. Anyone else to comment?--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 18:28, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Challenging 'heavy metal' in the page
Okay, why is their music described as 'heavy metal', and secondarily as thrash metal? Check any of the other big four band's pages, none are described in the same way as Metallica. Metallica has always played thrash metal, and heavy metal is usually used to described bands such as Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, etc.. I've had the edit reverted several times without reason. --OCCullens (talk) 00:10, 13 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Heavy metal is the more encompassing genre of the two, and thrash metal is already mentioned in the second sentence. It's better like that so that both are mentioned in the lead. They haven't always been thrash metal either. Only their first four albums and Death Magnetic are. The rest are better described as plain heavy metal. The articles for the other three bands are a different issue, and this article is about Metallica. There's my explanation for reverting. 97.83.67.162 (talk) 12:12, 27 February 2014 (UTC)


 * I agree with the second comment. Metallica are defined as a heavy metal band in Encyclopaedia Britannica and other numerous publications such as Allmusic or Rolling Stone. The other three bands (Megadeth, Slayer, and Anthrax) being described as thrash metal acts has nothing to do with this article per WP:OSE.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 19:37, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Update Image File to an up-to-date image
Please change image file to a more recent photo of the band, seeing as the display picture is from 2008, and now 6 years out of date. Some photo suggestions can be found at links such as Image option 1, Image option 2, or Image option 3, just for a few references (all from Google image search).

173.70.220.248 (talk) 06:27, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

❌ The copyright status of those images is unclear. Arjayay (talk) 07:18, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

FA status
Hello. I've went through the article yesterday, and noticed many problems with its comprehensiveness and sourcing. Many of the references are dead links, and a good part of them are self-published (taken from Metallica.com). The majority of the refs are not properly formatted, though I partially fixed this issue. As for the prose, it goes into unnecessary detail in sections such as "Death Meagnetic" and "Lulu". The band's album that is yet to be released is discussed numerous times, and we are given information such as the bands had "a few riffs ready". If anyone is willing to cooperate with me on refreshing the article, I'll be glad to help. There is much work to be done here, since the article hasn't been maintained at all after its promotion in 2008. I'll see if I manage to get this to WP:GOCE for some correction on the prose. I would appreciate help from anyone since I don't intend to open a FA reassessment on this page.--Retrohead (talk) 07:57, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

San Francisco
I've read a lot of articles that say San Francisco plays a huge role in the bands importance yet here in this article nothing about San Francisco is written which I find very strange as Metallica is known for being the most popular Bay Area band ever. I have some sources that say Metallica originated in Los Angeles but was Founded in San Francisco.--Ladygaga328 (talk) 20:46, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Ladygaga328, I don't know how a city can affect the band's music style. From what I know, Metallica moved to San Francisco because glam rock was more popular than thrash in LA. That is already stated in the article.--Retrohead (talk) 19:52, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Copyedit
Hello Retrohead. I'm sorry that the copyedit was not up to your standards on how this article could be better. I'll try and fix the prose that you say was not done. Can I revert the revert that you did, as that edit did make some minor changes to the prose. I was in a rush this morning, and I couldn't quite finish the copyedit, and instead went the easy way out, and I said in my edit summary that I "finished" the copyedit, and added the finished template onto this page. Sorry about that. Brandon (MrWooHoo) • Talk to Brandon!  19:46, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
 * MrWooHoo, as I said above, the article might lose its FA status unless a proper copyediting is done. Your edit isn't going to prevail that happening. I suggest that some more experienced editors takes this task, giving weight the article's significance and traffic.--Retrohead (talk) 19:49, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Are you sure about this Retrohead? I think this article can be copyedited by me. Can you give me a second chance? Thanks. Brandon (MrWooHoo) • Talk to Brandon!  19:54, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note that quote formatting should follow MOS:LQ on Wikipedia, such as "One". instead of "One." -Fnlayson (talk) 19:58, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
 * It can be copyedited by anyone who is willing to take the request. By seeing your other copyedtis and, I suggest revisiting those pages once more before accepting this one.--Retrohead (talk) 20:01, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

I overlooked that while going through the MOS during the copyedit. Thanks Fnlayson! Anyways, Retrohead, how about I go through a copyedit, but I don't consider it "done". Then, more experienced editors can then do copyediting to the article. Cheers! Brandon (MrWooHoo) • Talk to Brandon!  20:04, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Table for releases
This article is locked from being edited any further so I was wondering if someone who can edit this article could include this table I wrote out for the releases. It doesn't include Lulu, since that album is not an official studio album by Metallica. Here's the full table I made

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.174.213.7 (talk • contribs) 02:25, 27 September 2011 (UTC) ‎ ‎

Thrasher magazine interview with Slayer shows that Metallica was a huge influence!
Under the "Legacy and influence" section, I would propose adding the below info:

In a 1989 Thrasher magazine interview, Slayer's Jeff Hanneman said, "They were totally influential. Back in '82 Kerry and I used to go see Metallica and they inspired us with their heaviness and the fact that they wanted to be different. To be honest, I'll say that they got us started." Kerry King added, "They were influential enough to make me say, "Wow, they're doing something different. Maybe we should try a different approach." Our music was similar but our lyrics were different"

(I have the Thrasher magazine with that interview if anyone wants verification) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigdom777 (talk • contribs) 17:28, 8 January 2012 (UTC) ‎

Metallica being from San Francisco (vs Los Angeles)
Regarding the first sentence of the article, which claims that Metallica is "from Los Angeles." This is not true - while the band was indeed founded there, they have been proudly based in San Francisco for most of their career, with the exception of only very early days. See the history on the official website: "Metallica performed two shows in San Francisco and found the crowds friendlier and more honest than LA's "there to be seen" mob. They also caught up-and-coming band Trauma, and most importantly their bass player, Cliff Burton. Cliff refused to move to Southern California: it was enough to convince Metallica to relocate to the Bay Area, and Cliff subsequently joined Metallica."

Therefore, I suggest changing it to San Francisco (my edit where I attempted to do so was reverted). It's been incorrect for too long. Thanks. Michal Stankoviansky (talk) 20:01, 2 September 2014 (UTC)


 * I believe the point of the text in the Lead of this article is just to say the band was originally from LA. I adjusted the text to state "Metallica is an American heavy metal band formed in Los Angeles, California." -Fnlayson (talk) 22:17, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Band members timeline
What's the deal with this? I see in the article history it's been added and removed a couple of times, with the rationale of "no original research". Fair enough, but loads of band articles have these timelines, no? Does putting them into a chart constitute original research? Not particularly bothered either way but seems a lil odd. Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 15:04, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I noticed this, can't say I understood it, I'd like an explanation as to why it's original research... <FONT COLOR="red">Я</FONT>ehevkor ✉  15:11, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
 * One thing I'd like to know is why the timeline had to be deleted, regardless of this whole "original research" debacle. I tried to add it in again, but apparently there's some rule it falls under, and I just don't understand it. 4TheWynne (talk) 02:47, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, folks. I looked for and found references to support the timeline, and so I restored it. I made the references obvious in the timeline section, so now the thing is supported by sources. I also changed a date: Newsted first auditioned for the band on October 28, 1986, but he was not a member of the band until at least one more audition, and after he played a Halloween gig with his old band. His first Metallica gig was November 8, 1986, per Joel McIver's 2004 book.
 * A side note to Dylanfromthenorth: the fact that lots of band articles have timelines should be a stimulus to go hunting for the others to see whether they are supported by references. A whole lot of them are not, which is the assumption I was making here. Binksternet (talk) 04:15, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
 * In the case of this article, exact dates for timelines are reasonable to require strict support for, as that data is readily available and this article is of FA status. On smaller band articles, a timeline with dates that can be extrapolated from album lineups (as in, using album lineups as references for formulating a band timeline with non-specific to-the-day dates for when members joined) sounds reasonable, as timelines provide a very clear indication of when members were a part of the band, and when they were not. Removing due to the exact date being debatable removes a set of very useful content from the page. If the dates are reasonably supported by album lineups for reference, it should be okay to have the timeline in place even if references do not indicate an exact date, in the case of bands with less third-party information being available. The timelines aren't necessarily made to have to indicate an exact day for a member to start with the band, as they can be month to month, or even year to year in interval length. Instead of removing, use the most reasonable interval that can be supported by available references. It's a valuable graphic for quicker understanding of the band's history after all. Vortiene (talk) 21:32, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Reply to Vortienne: I know we're getting off topic here, but for smaller band articles, the problem comes from not being able to verify the date ranges. Sure, it's a good thing when general date ranges are used, based on gig reviews or album notes, but a problem comes up when an editor changes dates according to personal viewpoint, with no reference to published dates. Without referencing, the date ranges are not verifiable. You can express your reaction at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musicians. See you there! Binksternet (talk) 22:55, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 January 2015
Metallica vs. Napster Controversy: There's a full article about that controversy: Metallica_v._Napster,_Inc. I would suggest making a slim summary of that controversy in this page with a link to the full article. Also, when searched for Metallica vs. Napster, you get redirected to this page. It would be better to be redirected to the full article.

Sanushikuto (talk) 09:54, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Done It seems to be an important article to the band's history, so I'll get right to it. Thanks for the suggestion! <font face="Arial"> 4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  10:37, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done – Davey 2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 13:51, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 January 2015
Please add to the studio albums list in the discography, the albums "Lulu (2011)" and "Beyond Magnetic (2012)" http://www.metallica.com/product-categories/cd.asp

Theodoreelkhoury (talk) 22:15, 19 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Lulu is a collaboration and Beyond Magnetic is an EP. <font face="Arial"> 4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  02:50, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Black member of Metallica
D\Isn't there a missing member of the band, started in the very early days as a guitarist? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.6.92.248 (talk) 03:21, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

The person your referring to is Lloyd Grant a Jamaican who was never in the band, he merely played a solo on the demo for Hit the Lights before Metallica even really existed. Dave Mustaine was recruited soon after and they replaced Grants solo with his, at the most he could be considered a studio musician but given it was a demo and that Lloyd Grants musical career was spent playing bass and not guitar I personally don't think that has any credibility. Theres a lot of silly internet rumors about Grant none of which are true, it is what it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.169.62.240 (talk) 16:13, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Bob Rock
I am not normally a wiki contributor but I had noticed that Bob Rock has only been included as a studio bass player for Metallica which isn't strictly true as he played a couple of small shows with the band around that time too, one of which was recorded and used for a Ramones covers album.

In addition to Bob Rock playing like with the band, it's also worth mentioning that John Marshall from Metal Church has played a number of shows as guitarist for Metallica in the 80s and 90s.

Both Rock and Marshall could be considered live/session members of the band. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.169.62.240 (talk) 16:18, 22 January 2015 (UTC)


 * This has been asked on this talk page before. See the talk page archives (Talk:Metallica/Archive 6 and Talk:Metallica/Archive_4) for previous responses. -Fnlayson (talk) 16:37, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Trapped Under Ice
Please this page move discussion and related deletion discussion. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 10:59, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Lead
There seems to be a lot of information in the lead of the article that doesn't seem like it needs to be there. I think a information diet is in order for that section.Zdawg1029 (talk) 15:37, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Associated Acts
According to the Template:Infobox musical artist guidelines, bands in Associated acts section should not include "Association of groups with members' solo careers" & "Groups with only one member in common". However, if you removed those on this article, only Lou Reed, GNR & Ozzy Osbourne would remain. Should the list be trimmed to follow guidelines or kept how it is? RF23 (talk) 14:01, 21 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Leave it how it is, because those associated acts would have been there for a few years at least, and would have been put there for a reason. <font face="Arial"> 4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  20:50, 21 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Follow the guideline, I should think, rather than allowing long-term material to stay in the article just because it's been there. Binksternet (talk) 20:56, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to 5 one external links on Metallica. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20090404205425/http://www.playboy.com:80/articles/metallica-interview/index.html to http://www.playboy.com/articles/metallica-interview/index.html
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20101010122500/http://www.metallica.com:80/index.asp?item=603402 to http://metallica.com/index.asp?item=603402
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