Talk:Metallica discography

Metallica album's chart positions
Hello all,

I don't know if charts updates regularly or not, but, I find some errors on it, for example on Load, I've corrected it (with reference), please check the charts.

Another thing is, if we allowed to add more charts, in "TheMet" site you can find more charts but only applies for death magnetic, this album charted on more countries that we have here. some one please check it. http://www.themetsource.com/discography/metallica-death-magnetic-info.html

Thanks! Nima1024 (talk) 14:06, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Content questions
Per style guidelines and consensus at WP:DISCOG and WP:DISCOGSTYLE, there should be 10 columns max in the tables and stuff like B-sides should not appear in discographies. I don't see any past discussions about this. Is there a particular reason why this page has extra columns and B-sides and Demos sections? - eo (talk) 17:19, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * But I think we should have B-sides in disco pages cause they are some parts of bands discography, and I think there is no problem to have this on the page, about columns, there is no specific law about maximum rows and columns, and it can be as large as your table is, that is just recommendation. Nima1024 (talk) 18:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * After some research, B-Sides removed by me. Nima1024 (talk) 11:59, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Director of "Wherever I May Roam"
This article states that Wayne Isham directed the "Wherever I May Roam" music video, but VH1 Classic states that it was directed by Kevin Kerslake. Is there a source for Isham directing it? If not, I am changing it to Kerslake. --BLAguyMONKEY! (talk) 13:19, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Fan Cans
Should these be featured here? Out of curiosity. 144.32.60.145 (talk) 02:01, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Can someone Please fix this?
Not sure if I'm in the right place for this or not, but if someone sees this, can you Please fix the singles section? I was trying re-add singles that got deleted (if you check, it was sometime late January someone removed them). Again, please edit if possible. Thank you. --Radiokid1010 (talk) 07:34, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Best of/Greatest Hits Album?
Do they have one? I've heard there is one, even seen it for sale on Amazon; but I've also heard it's bootleg? What's correct? Rhodesisland (talk) 23:37, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Isn't the Wiki rules 10 Charts only?
Why is there so many charts in the albums section when the rule for every music act is 10? am i missing something

Tombo671 (talk) 10:10, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Are you referring to point 7. bullet point 5 of this. It says:  A limit of approximately 10 separate charts is suggested, using any combination of country, component, or competing charts. It is "suggested" and it is only "approximately 10", but here it says it is fine to ignore the rules if it is better for the article. In this case I would say it is fine to list more than 10 country charts, all the ones listed, Metallica has peaked at No. 1, so it is relevant information. The1337gamer (talk) 12:47, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Songs that not entered the billboard hot 100
Why those songs are signed with a chart postition? e.g. whiskey in the jar is on 124 because it was on no. 24 of another smaller hit list. i think that isnt necessary and warp the information of the article.--78.50.87.62 (talk) 15:07, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Page needs edited
Metallica is now not the only artist to have 5 consecutive albums debut at number 1. Dave Matthews Band now has 6. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.100.25.83 (talk) 03:41, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Done. Lukejordan02 (talk) 10:00, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Album sales are kind of wrong?
How did Ride The Lighting and Master Of Puppets outsold ...And Justice For All? ...And Justice For All outsold them both worldwide and also, it outsold them in the U.S. This is wrong. ...And Justice For All sold 20 million copies worldwide due to the hit single called One. Master Of Puppets is not even near ...And Justice For All sales. Not even Ride The Lighting. ...And Justice For All was the 25th best selling album of 1989 while Master Of Puppets was the 87th best selling album of 1986. This is false information. ...And Justice For All sold 20 million copies worldwide and not just 16. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikeis1996 (talk • contribs) 02:49, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
 * All cited worldwide album sales on this article were using a bogus reference (repetition of the Finnish album sales ref.), so I've removed all unsourced sales from the studio albums section. I've corrected all Finnish sales from said source, added all the US sales I could find with notes about SoundScan, and added worldwide sales for St. Anger - the only one I could find. If you could find decent sources for all the worldwide sales you claim above, I'd be more than happy to add them to the article. Thanks. Homeostasis07 (talk) 02:03, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Australian Chart Book 1993–2005
If an editor who has the book Australian Chart Book 1993–2005 could add the year, peak and reference to Kill 'Em All, it would be greatly appreciated. Piriczki (talk) 16:49, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Split
 Support split - Discography article is quite lengthy, and should be split to new articles entitled Metallica albums discography and Metallica songs discography. Thoughts? --Jax 0677 (talk) 07:59, 31 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose — I think readers will be able to navigate through this comfortably. Not lengthy enough to have separate articles for each, in my opinion. Aria1561 (talk) 18:57, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose — same here Norschweden (talk) 22:16, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose — The songs discography is not quite lengthy to need its own article. I think it reads fine as it is.--Retrohead (talk) 08:32, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose — As other have already said not lengthy enough to warrant it's own article. (When has enough time passed to remove the template?)) Lukejordan02 (talk) 14:12, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

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Lords Of Summer
Lords of Summer was recorded and released 2 years before Hardwired in totally different sessions to the rest of the album, and doesn't even appear on the standard version. Its on the bonus editions alongside 3 random covers released since Death Magnetic. So why is it listed as a Hardwired single? This bugs me. Is it possible to list it as a Non-album single?

Yes, I know they re-recorded it for Hardwired... But if they rerecorded Motorbreath in 2001 would you call it a St Anger song if it was included on a bonus disc? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.126.48.250 (talk) 04:03, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

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Live at Wembley Stadium single
Any reason why the 3 track "Live at Wembley Stadium" single, catalogue METCL 10 hasn't been included? --Jameboy (talk) 23:44, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Some Kind of Monster EP ?
I'm not finding anything about this disc. Am I the only one that owns it or has heard of it? Cheers! FiggazWithAttitude (talk) 17:58, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * The Ep is known and it used to be on here, no idea why it was removed but I’ve added it again along with a couple of others. Lukejordan02 (talk) 21:29, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Removing official and sourced releases
please stop removing official albums from the discography page, I have added reference that backup that they are official albums and that they should be apart of the page! Lukejordan02 (talk) 05:29, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * You added the "EP's" and reverted you. WP:BRD says to discuss the issue but you decided instead to revert, hence my reverting with the BRD edit summary. Also, you added 5 EP's and only sourced 3, another reason for my reverting. This is a featured list, hence the little star on the top right of the article, and as such we don't need poorly sourced info that not all contributors agree with nor do we need a back and forth reversion on this issue. May I suggest finding reliable sources for those other EP's, presenting them here and we take it from there.  Rob  van  vee  15:50, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I only added 3 EPs look closer, the other two were moved from the live section therefore already on the page. And the sources I added were as reliable as they can get they were from the bands website! Lukejordan02 (talk) 01:48, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Aah ok, my apologies for suggesting you added unsourced information, I was hasty in scrutinizing. Question: why would you move live albums to the EP section? I have no objection to EP's being listed under the EP section if they are reliably sourced as official. I do have an objection to Live at Grimey's & Helping Hands being there for example. I see no indication of them being EP's as such and seem instead to be live albums., you were someone that reverted. Care to share your reason here?  Rob van  vee  05:08, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The reason I moved them is because both Grimey’s and Helping Hands are limited releases, that aren’t available to buy from anywhere only a few select places and limited copies too. So I thought that moving them to the EP section and then renaming the section “EPs and Limited releases” would be helpful to people who are unfamiliar with the band and would make more sense. But I don’t mind either way, if people want them to stay in the Live section then fine. But I do have a problem with official releases being left off the page like the 3 EPs I added which are sourced and say EP on the Metallica pages I shared. Lukejordan02 (talk) 05:53, 28 January 2020 (UTC)


 * , I didn't see how those live albums were EPs either. This could just be me, but shouldn't the other EPs that were added to the list have secondary sources attached to them rather than primary sources? I also had a problem with the numbers in the opening sentence being changed to numerical form, as this is unnecessary for anything twelve or under. What I will say is that I'm a bit confused as to why Six Feet Down Under and Six Feet Down Under Part II weren't already on there, as both have articles, but the question is which section should they come under? I personally think that if they're live, they should come under live albums rather than EPs, much like the examples you've already mentioned (and yes, I know the Six Feet Down Under cover literally says "EP"); either that, or a "Live extended plays" section should be created, but I think that would be overkill. 4TheWynne   (talk  •  contribs)  10:47, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I wouldn’t object to the two Down Under releases being in the Live section. The Some Kind of Monster EP needs adding to the normal EP section though. I don’t understand why the numbers have to be inconsistent with the words and digits mixed together, and does the page really need that info anyway as the infobox that is to the right of it perfectly sums everything up on its own. Lukejordan02 (talk) 11:11, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I tend to agree with the notion that live albums, regardless of length or amount of songs should be in the live section, though one could argue Live ?!*@ Like a Suicide is listed as an EP. The Some Kind of Monster EP links to Some Kind of Monster (song) and that article makes no mention about any EP which seems somewhat redundant if it is placed in the EP section here so perhaps that article also needs some kind of update and possible rename? Then there is the issue of primary and secondary sourcing as mentioned, which does matter on a featured list and WP:PRIMARY does say to avoid them. Are you able to find secondary sources for the existence of the EP's? but not from Discogs. Then MOS:SPELL09 says "integers from zero to nine are spelled out in words" though I see you mentioned twelve 4TheWynne? Either way we should follow the MOS on that.  Rob  van  vee  17:15, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * To be fair “Live Like a Suicide” was a faux live EP so it wasn’t really live. Some Kind of Monster did used to have an EP page but it was merged with the single see this link. There is one mention of it being an EP on the page, where it simply reads that it comes bundled with a T-shirt. References for it being an EP    The others EP have just as many if not more references available on the web. Lukejordan02 (talk) 17:31, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Avoid Rate your music per WP:USERGEN but the others are great. So you are only proposing the reinstatement of Some Kind of Monster EP?  Rob van  vee  17:58, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The Some Kind of Monster EP and the two Down Under EPs. The rest of the changes I’m willing to forget and to leave as is. Lukejordan02 (talk) 18:37, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, so whenever it is appropriate to add the EPs would you mind adding them or at least guide me on the best way to present them as I am not the best at presenting references. Lukejordan02 (talk) 20:15, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey . Got so busy and kinda forgot about this. Can I leave you to add them back and I'll add the citations. Thanks!  Rob van  vee  18:15, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok done, thanks again Lukejordan02 (talk) 19:50, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok done, thanks again Lukejordan02 (talk) 19:50, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

what's the difference between the "other charted songs" section and "singles" section?
I noticed there's no certification info in the "other charted songs" section. But there are many lines in the "singles" section with no certification info. so what's the deal??

If we can't find a reason they're separate, I wanna merge them. skakEL 14:13, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Master of Puppets single 2022 chart re-entry
Hi. The song hit #40 on the Billboard 100 this week due to its appearance on Stranger Things. It also charted in other countries. An edit changed the 1986 single release to show it was #40 in the US but that's technically incorrect.

Wouldn't a more correct way be to add it as a 2022 single entry in either the main singles or other singles section of discography? Eatabullet (talk) 03:48, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Studio album charting
In the §§ Studio albums, the sales go up with the chart positions until their self-titled album. After which, the sales are more than 3 times less than The Black Album, but each album subsequent is shown as consistently charting at number 1 (or near enough). Still strong, but the band has not carried the popularity of its heyday, as reflected by their album sales. I therefor am suspicious of the nearly universal number 1 chart positions following Metallica's self-titled album, which are individually uncited. &#8212;&#160;CJDOS,&#160;Sheridan,&#160;OR&#160;(talk) 13:29, 15 February 2023 (UTC) (edited 00:05, 16 February 2023 (UTC))
 * Um, all of the chart positions are cited. See US, Canada UK, Germany, Load in Europe, Load in Canada, Reload in Europe, St. Anger in Europe, Death Magnetic in Europe and Hardwired... to Self Destruct in Europe. yawaraey (talk) 22:23, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Partially cited, and that's the problem. It appears that while we should see a lot of 1s in the chart, it looks to me like the chart has been puffed up. This doesn't necessarily mean that some of the 1s should be 4s or 15s, it means that the sources given across the top row of the chart are actually missing much of the data needed to assemble the chart. This needs to be put under the microscope. &#8212;&#160;CJDOS,&#160;Sheridan,&#160;OR&#160;(talk) 22:47, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Additional sources for: Load and Reload in the US, St. Anger in the US, Death Magnetic in the US, in Europe, in Canada, and Hardwired... to Self-Destruct worldwide. yawaraey (talk) 23:16, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm still unclear as to why, among other's, Hung Median's charts are being called into question, but it seems to me that it is worth noting that while not all of their websites show the entire full weeks chart positions archived before a certain year for Load and Reload, some do. For instance, on the Netherlands chart website, Load did not debut at no. 1, but no. 8, it climbed to no. 1 the following week. While in Australia, Austria, Flanders Belgium, Finland, and Switzerland they do have the full first weeks chart positions and it still shows Load debuting at no. 1. yawaraey (talk) 01:07, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

The problem I'm trying to point out is that after The Black Album, the chart displays mostly 1s after their sales and popularity have slipped. It's not impossible, but it looks suspicious. That's what inline citations are for... except, no one has put inline citations next to the 1s they reference. You're providing some of those missing citations here, but they need to be added to the chart where appropriate. Looking further down at the Singles chart, that's where we find the inline citations; even when the single didn't directly chart, there's a citation template sandwiched between ref tags next to it. &#8212;&#160;CJDOS,&#160;Sheridan,&#160;OR&#160;(talk) 01:42, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Yet again, why are you calling websites that are generally considered reliable into question? Why does there need to be a second citation for a chart position if the first chart position is already correct? Just because their subsequent album after Metallica failed to reach the sales of the aforementioned album does that mean that they were not highly anticipated when they when released and that they did not have big first week sales? Should we start questioning the chart positions for everyone else who failed to reach the sales of their previous albums? yawaraey (talk) 01:53, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I think you misapprehend their level of popularity. If their popularity slipped after the self-titled album, it is only relative to that album's record sales performance. It is the top-selling album of the SoundScan era (i.e., no other album has sold more copies in the U.S. since SoundScan started tracking sales precisely in 1991). Metallica remained (and remains) hugely popular after the self-titled album. Indeed, all of their subsequent studio albums debuted at No. 1 in the United States, as this Wikipedia page correctly shows. This was not unusual for major rock acts whose fans would rush out to buy albums upon release. Billboard's addition of streaming as a component of the chart in December 2014 complicated this pattern, but Metallica remained popular enough to debut at No. 1 in 2016 with first-week sales over 50,000 of "Hardwired... to Self-Destruct." 2605:E000:9FC0:26:B82D:E370:1457:C6E4 (talk) 03:49, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Charts capture how much was sold that week. Sales are for all time.  Of course the newer ones have less sales, they haven't been out that long and sales are down across the board for most acts since most people stream stuff.  There is nothing suspicious about these chart positions, especially since they are properly cited.  CAMERAwMUSTACHE (talk) 00:12, 5 March 2023 (UTC)