Talk:Metalocalypse/Archive 3

Cartoon Network relation
Ive seen someplaces where they mention that the show has been aired on cartoon network. Somehow that doesnt make sense to me. Can anyone clear up this confusing. What does metalocalypse to do with CN? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.52.30.250 (talk) 06:17, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Thus far, Cartoon Network is the only television network to air Metalocalypse. Metalocalypse is a show that was (and is) aired during Cartoon Network's "Adult Swim" block; also, Adult Swim seems to proudly feature the show on their official website. No references seem to be needed! 66.87.1.10 (talk) 02:46, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

New Metal Intro?
I don't know if any one noticed but the episode Revengencers The metalocalypse intro is edited with brightly white and dark red flash's and red and white negatives of the entire clip.

Mordhouse Location
"Also according to a Myspace page supposedly belonging to Toki Wartooth, Mordhaus is in Arizona" - From the article.

Is a fan created MySpace page really a valid source of information?

I think this should be removed to be honest.


 * It apparently was a fan created page, and had been deleted from MySpace. I removed the reference.

The only real evidence of dethkloks location can be taken from certain avenue signs located in certain episodes while outside, in religionklok they drive drunk down a highway, if you look closely you can spot several signs that murderface slid passed when he fell off, also when toki leaves dethklok to be trained by a old guitarist, the area resembles much of Downtown Jersey, I'm sure in future episodes the show will link more areas that we can add up.71.176.49.27 (talk) 15:21, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Due to the show's spontaneous nature, I think it's unlikely that the "real" location will ever be evident from street signs/etc... Those may be random gags, and I feel as though it's likely that the show might pull in any sign/plaque/etc that seems relevant to an episode for the sake of hilarity, even if it offers no contiguity. Best wait for Mordhaus's location to be spoken about first! 66.87.1.10 (talk) 02:51, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Coffee Jingle
Dunno why, but the jingle keeps changing between static text and a link to a dead file for me, depending on how I refresh it. Whoever wants to fix it, the new url is http://www.zacowens.com/e107_files/downloads/Dethklok%20-%20Duncan%20Hills%20Coffee.mp3  Ahanix1989 05:18, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Running Gags
Is a "running gags" section appropriate? I have seen it with other wiki pages for TV shows. An example for Metalocalypse would be their use of the word "zazz"...or perhaps it should be at least noted that the show is "canon" enough to refer to events in past episodes, such as the constant presence of their ill-fated "deathfones"...Thesetrixaintforkids


 * It sounds good to me. It would zazz up the article.. you know, make it zazzier. MGlosenger 23:18, 12 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Second, not a bad idea to have such running gags, the DethPhones especially. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 23:19, 12 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Zazz was used in ONE episode. It's not really a "running joke" :/ Maybe a running joke in one episode, but not through the series. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.21.11.94 (talk) 12:33, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


 * No, it's been used in a few episodes now. I can't remember which at the moment, but I know it's been in a few. --76.16.71.212 (talk) 00:48, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I certainly think a general mention that the show does keep continuity might be good to see, particularly given how many other Adult Swim shows that have similar quirky content do not. Bitnine 00:13, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I was thinking this myself, since many episodes start with (or at least feature a moment with) Nathan screaming out of rage and the camera zooming down his throat. Karpsm   ö   m  01:06, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, then we can compile a list and debate each gags suitability for the list, and if its long enough, and relevant, maybe make a go at it?


 * Zazz
 * Deathfones
 * Dethklok's inability to complete the simplest of tasks, except contract negotiations (I THINK this happens more than once, correct me if Im wrong.)
 * Murderface's Kennedy limo
 * Skwiskgaar and his odd/indiscriminate taste in women...(BBW in one scene, the GMILF jokes, the preggo he's fucking in a music video...[she wasn't pregnant!!!!])
 * Rockso the Rock n Roll clown...I do cocaine! (maybe just more of a recurring character)
 * Murderface and piss
 * Toki and Skwisgaar's religious ambiguity

This may be the appropriate section (finally) for the wink wink references to metal can be included, like the three Cannibal Corpse songs featured in Nathans rant in one episode and the burger joint named after Dimmu Borgir.

Thesetrixaintforkids

Rockso definitely doesn't count as a recurring gag; he's a character. Other than that, I'd give the whole thing a green light.

User:Sincizzil Toki and Skwisgaar's religious ambiguity? None of the members of Dethklok has a specific religion. In fact, there's an episode that deals with this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sincizzil (talk • contribs) 23:48, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

The time the show is on
I would imagine that alot of people aren't aware of when the show is on, cos you don't hear about it often, and it isn't mentioned in this article unless i'm blind, but can someone put in here that Metalocalypse is on Mon-Thurs at 12:15AM, that way everyone can be aware that that is the showing of the show.--4.154.250.5 20:36, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia isn't a TV guide. That's why we have links to TV.com and Adult Swim in the infobox. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 20:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Fictional In-Character
Hm, taking at look at the opening section, I'm pretty sure that saying that Nathan Explosion posted a blog entry to a real-world blog is perhaps a touch too in-universe and could stand to be slightly reworded. At the moment, I'm not coming up with a phrase that isn't a little awkward, so I figured I'd mention it here. Bitnine 17:17, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * And really, thinking about it, you could say that there is a group called DethKlok in real life, it's Brendon Small et al doing performances. He simply presents the music, album, and other materials (such as the MySpace page) in-character, giving attributions to the fictional show characters. Bitnine 19:11, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Vocals on "Just a Rock-n-Roll Clown"
Curious if anyone knows who does the vocals on that song. Blacha is credited with Rockso's voice acting, but the vocals sound like they could be someone else. Whoever it is, they're doing a great imitation of David Lee Roth (hell, if you told me it's actually him I'd believe it). And that song may be a spoof of an Ozzy tune, but the style and music is all Van Halen circa "1984". --75.132.220.97 13:06, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

-Well, Brendon Small is the one who does vocals for Rockso ^^' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.224.132.184 (talk) 02:43, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

l337 5p34k?
In the episode "Go Forth and Die", when the tutor is teaching Nathan, look closely at the text that flashes through, It says "The red fox jumps over the lazy brown dog" A reference to some leet speak?

~Ecchigo

How is that a reference to leet speak? "The red fox jumps over the lazy brown dog" is just a really old phrase that is meant to show off a sentence that uses the whole alphabet. Karpsm  ö   m  05:23, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Except that "The red fox jumps over the lazy brown dog" doesn't contain a Q.


 * That would be because the sentence actually goes: 'The quick red fox jumps over the lazy brown dog.' My name is DarkSaber and I have been your infant school english teacher for today! DarkSaber2k 13:21, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * No really? I've only been using computers since 1984.


 * Ah, so your merely a second generation user. DarkSaber2k 13:24, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry. This entire section seems really stupid. I know the phrase should contain the word quick. But nevertheless is there any reason for this section to be here?
 * Agreed. Vape it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.109.154.193 (talk) 00:25, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Hatredcopter
Hatredcopter, despite being done very much in Dethklok's style, is in fact listed as being by Brendon Small and not Dethklok, and I feel it should not be listed as a Dethklok song. If it must be mentioned at all, it should at least say "Despite not being a Dethklok track, it is played by Small in Dethklok's style." --Sakaki22 04:21, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Since no one seems to have voiced a protest, I have removed Hatredcopter from the track listing. I will also remove it from the song listing on the Dethklok page (Isn't it redundant to have it on both?), and will be correcting the Saw III soundtrack to say Brendon Small as the performer, as that is what the album lists. --Sakaki22 09:37, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Your point is fair enough, if it's released on the Dethklok album, then we'll re-add it. Karpsm  ö   m  04:10, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I re-added the track following confirmation that it is indeed featuring on DethAlbum. DarkSaber2k 14:05, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

New Ones
Now that just about all cartoons are in flash, how the hell come episodes come so slowly? It takes like no time at all to produce...

They still take time to write. And in the case of Metalocalypse, they also have to write and record music. Also, they are currently working on assembling a DVD and a "DethAlbum" right now. The next season was, last I heard, scheduled to begin next winter. --Sakaki22 05:25, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


 * A) Actually, shitty flash cartoons take no time at all to produce. B) They are contracted by Adult Swim, meaning the new episodes are aired when they say, not when Brendan Small has done the episodes. and C) As was said above, he is currently producing the first DVD and album. The Kinslayer 09:20, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Agreed with The Kinslayer, as well as a point about the necessary Quality Assurance, marketability, and likewise minded artifacts recurrent and requisite of modern-day television shows! Simply "drawing the show" doesn't mean that it meets any of the other bajillion requirements prior to being aired on an FCC regulated network. 66.87.1.10 (talk) 03:04, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Merchandise
Until merchandise is confirmed, it should not be added to the page or it should be given its own page. The guitars are iffy, but they do have verifiable sources and some creator confirmation. There's not enough information to include the Shockertoys figures since they have a history of announcing licenses but not making it to production and there's been no creator confirmation that I've seen nor has it made and real news from what I can see. For it to be included it must be reworded and phrased to accomodate the fact that is is thus far speculative, as does the description about thier product offerings since they've only produced 1 GWAR item to date and it was an San Diego Comic Con exclusive, an unpainted test shot, that is still readily available for purchase from thier website.

This content should not be included until there is more verfiable information. If someone can provide verification through a reputable source, prefereably license confirmation by the creators, that would satisfy any contentions as to the information's accuracy and validity.


 * The info about the Metalocalypse toys has a source reference, the toy company itself, which is about as direct as you can get when it comes to a reference. Karpsm   ö   m  03:14, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I disagree and feel it fails the test of attributability as a reliable source. If overruled, I still contest that it contains inaccurate information.  I have posted a full statement of my position on your talk page. --24.23.114.105 00:12, 3 April 2007 (UTC)24.23.114.105


 * We really need to get a consensus opinion on this. Until then I don't think the information should be included. --Avatar of chaos 04:24, 14 April 2007 (UTC)


 * This continues to be an issue with no consensus opinion. The latest version claims that there are magazine ads featuring Dethklok but does not cite which magazines.  Until Smeagal provides some evidence and a case for his position on this information rather than simply his word about a conversation he claims to have had with Brandon Small, I can't justify this being included.  --Avatar of chaos 08:00, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey pal Mr. AOC I never said anything about magazine ads look at the poster from now on. It was posted all over the net about them doing the toys including the Metalocalypse forums. Please ACO run back over to Mcfarlane and stop trying to win with an agenda over here! The dethklok roadies will continue to put the info back up and untill you can prove you are even a fan leave it alone!

I've just done a search using every conceivable combination of terms about this and it's come up with nothing besides shockertoys forum, which is an unreliable source.. I say the information goes. And being a fan doesn't come into this. verifiability, attribution and reliable sourcing are what metters here.DarkSaber2k 17:36, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Please stop using big momma search engine and use some real search engines.       looks like alot more then just their forum and it seems they haven't even sent out the full PR out yet.

So lets see: Message Board, Blog, Forum, one that doesn't work for me. Live Journal (blog) and another Forum. Absolutely none of those are acceptable under Wikipedias reliable sources policies. In Wikipedias own words: ''Anyone can create a website or pay to have a book published, then claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason, self-published books, personal websites, and blogs are largely not acceptable as sources.''DarkSaber2k 13:36, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Are you serious?? Do you think this is a conspirecy theory?? These are sites posting news of what is really coming just like the Gibson gutair and such. Call Adult Swim and ask them if you want to verify it! It will be re-added untill anyone can prove that it is not really happening hows that instead?

The cleaned up version which states they are making toys like Gibson is making a gutair looks much better and I can agree now on what has been left.


 * I have no objection to the way it reads now. If it's changed back to the way it was, I will revert to that edit.  --Avatar of chaos 03:29, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree to on the cleaned version which matches Gibson's claim. Sorry for being a bit out of hand AOC --Smeagal


 * Not a problem. The best thing for all of us and for Wikipedia is that we make sure that the wording is accurate.  Otherwise, what good is it?  Good luck working on the Shocker Toys page.  Hopefully it doesn't get canned again.  It does have merit as its own article.  --Avatar of chaos 00:42, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, its got canned again but hopefully someone can make a new better wiki friendly version.

Songs Section
The "Songs" section of this article, in my opinion, is an eyesore which is taking up way too much space in this article. In addition, the whole section is duplicated in the Dethklok band article. Does anyone oppose getting rid of it? (In this article at least, I feel it belongs in the Dethklok article if anywhere.) StuIsCool 23:15, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

first broadcast on cartton netork?

Cheesysam 19:45, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

References to Real Bands
Does anyone else think that playing with the London Philharmonic might be a nod towards Metallica and their Symphony and Metallica performance? Burn8tor16 1:00, June 29 2007

Too speculative to include in the article Karpsm   ö   m  15:15, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Many, many bands have played with an orchestra... PRIOR to Metallica.Doomferret

Methinks that the beginning of Skwisklok, i.e. the video clip of "Crushing My Battle Opponent's Balls" is a BLATANT reference to Yngwie Malmsteen. I mean, Swedish shred virtuoso fighting a dragon with his magnificent guitar skills within a rocky landscape of brownish/reddish colors, that's exactly the cover of the album Trilogy. Also the genre of that particular song would fit. Anyone agree? Promonex 22:54, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It doesn't matter what you think, it matters what can be proven, and that can't be. Unless there is an interview or something like that where one of the people involved with the show states this, it should not be added in the article in any way Karpsm   ö   m  05:59, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd agree, but other bands have done similar "charity events" with orchestras, like Scorpions for example. -Winter123 06:02, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Pantera Reference? Apologies for not requesting to add first, but I do think this a notable and distinct reference:

In the episode "Skwisklok", during Skwiskar's introduction to the show The Skwisgaar Skwigelf Advanced Fast Hand Finger Wizard Master Class, the announcer states that Skwiskar is there to "...teach the world the art of shredding..." - a reference to track 12 on Pantera's Cowboys from Hell album.

Any thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.65.236.186 (talk) 01:53, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Some have also speculated that the scene in Dethkomedy where Toki punched Skwisgar in the face is a reference to the cover of Vulgar Display of Power. --76.16.71.212 (talk) 04:54, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

look-a-like
Here's another one I thought would be pretty obvious, but maybe not: Does anyone else think that Murderface shares a striking resemblance to Geezer Butler, of Black Sabbath? As a side note, Geezer is also a bass player. [Ghstman]

(four tildes_8/27/7_12:18pm)
 * 1) murderface= geezer butler(sabbath)
 * 2) nathan= peter steele(type o-)
 * 3) Skwisgaar= james hetfield/gregg allman(young)
 * 4) Pickles= axl rose(william bailey,g-n-r)
 * 5) Toki=??...any suggestions?

And yet he also has a resemblance to Cliff Burton. But this is as much speculation as suggesting Nathan is Glenn Danzig. So that's a no go, obviously. On the other hand, the "He blew his brain in" is without a doubt a reference to the suicide of "Dead" (Per Yngve Ohlin) of Mayhem. It actually was used as a Mayhem album cover, and the creators of this show are obviously intimately familiar with this genre of music. There are at least two other references to Mayhem (Count Grishnackh and Burzum), one of the most infamous of these bands. Anyone familiar with Varg Vikernes and Mayhem is going to know the infamous tale of Per Yngve Ohlin's suicide, including the photographing of the scene. It is virtually impossible that they could have unintentionally written the "blew-his-brains-out... great album cover!" joke without being aware of this salacious black metal lore. Doomferret
 * murderface doesnt look anyhting like cliff


 * If a character genuinely looks like a person from a real band, then post something about it, but don't just assume that every character on the show is a caricature of a real person. Do you honestly think cartoonists never come up with original characters? I can understand the Butler/Murderface and Steele/Nathan associations, but the other two make no sense at all.
 * Although, I completely agree that for something like this you would definitely need to reference an interview with the creators where they say that a character is a caricature of a real person before you could put anything like this into the article. That being said, that paragraph I wrote prior to this is pretty much moot; I just thought someone needed to say it.--76.16.71.212 (talk) 01:04, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

It's nice that you believe that, but unfortunately you can believe it all you want, it doesn't change the fact that it's speculation. Anybody can make something up about a suicide being a good album cover without knowing anything about Mayhem. I agree it's LIKELY they were referencing it, but unless it can be proven as %100 fact. It DOES NOT BELONG on the Wikipedia article. Karpsm  ö   m  06:31, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

actually there is proof. watch the video of where they are making an episode and it shows you the behind the scenes look. somewhere towards the end the creators talk about that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.165.140.170 (talk) 08:02, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok, well unless you can supply a direct quote from said source that expresses this belief, it does not belong here Karpsm   ö   m  04:47, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

actually nathan looks just like danzig and murderface looks just like jack black. duh. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.172.44.90 (talk) 16:38, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Nathan looks, and has on stage manerisms almost identical to George "Corpsegrinder" Fischer, lead singer of Cannibal Corpse, a band lyrically referenced in the show. Corpsegrinder has also done voice work for the show. Skwisgaar also has almost identical looks and manerisms to Alexi Laiho, lead guitarist of Children of Bodom. As far as I'm concerned, the wiki would be incomplete without at least mentioning the obvious similarities between Metalocalypse characters and popular metal musicians. No, it can't be "proven", but it can be written in a way that communicates that this is obviously just speculation. 76.168.181.71 (talk) 08:14, 14 November 2008 (UTC)TB

"Performanceklok" (Episode 7)- Reference to Metallica?
I know there needs to be "proof" but don't you think it's obvious? Metallica also fought and almost broke apart, decided to hire a therapist, and while it helped at first he started to think he was part of the band (As stated by James in the Some Kind of Monster Movie), then they ultimately decided he was creepy and kicked him out. Same exact thing in Metalocalypse, right? I think it should be included, but I'll let someone who cares more decide. -Winter123 06:01, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I remember that -- but he didn't use banana stickers :P —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.131.209.237 (talk) 12:52, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

If you could find something to link to and use as a reference for that, I would say it should be mentioned in the article (maybe as a 'possible' reference), although the reference-nazi will probably remove it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.16.71.212 (talk) 23:55, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Exodus
Apparently Exodus appeared in an episode recently. --74.214.39.2 17:34, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Possible Demon Hunter reference?
In the episode "Murdering Outside of the Box", one of the roadies appears to have a tattoo of the Demon Hunter logo.

I was wondering if anyone else thought so and would be willing to back up my claim before I add it to the "References to real bands" section. 76.229.173.22 15:25, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Season 2 Premiere
Article says it was placed on AdultSwim.com on the 22nd. I watched it and showed it to my friend Friday night (PST).

Season 1 DVD Quality - Possible "Criticism" Section?
Don't know where this might go (or if it's appropriate at all), but the picture quality on the Metalocalypse Season 1 DVD is just awful. It's in a "standard" format with black bars (instead of a true full-resolution widescreen image) and the image quality is very blocky and jagged.

I'll try to dig for some external references to this, but it might be something to include here. KyuzoGator 17:49, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Critisisms
Whoever wrote the "critisisms" section is brilliant.

Section
Didnt there used to be a "references to real bands" section? i was going to add the refference to Dimmu Borgir when i found out the whole thing was gone. the juggreserection IstKrieg! 16:30, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It's gone because it was an arbitrary and almost endless list of original research. Metalocalypse, like most Adult Swim shows, is immersed in popular culture, and huge lists of individual items of such trivia aren't greatly conductive to making this a good article. Chris Cunningham (talk) 17:18, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

How do you define a "good article?" Metalocalypse has lots of references to real bands/people/events, many of which have been confirmed by the creators. If there is a possible but unconfirmed reference what's wrong with saying "XXX could be a possible reference to YYY, but has not been confirmed" in the article? That's one of the things I came to this article looking for. Should we really delete information from this article because it doesn't look good, or because they won't feature this article if it's in there? Personally, I think by taking out the references section you've significantly limited the information in the article, and in my opinion, deleting whole sections of an article to make it aesthetically pleasing doesn't make it a good article. --76.16.71.212 (talk) 00:01, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Production
Why doesn't this article mention anything about the shows production or how it's animated? Seems to me any article about a cartoon should include details like that. Just a thought. Magicallydajesus (talk) 07:17, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Relevance/Inclusion of sections
Should the article about the cartoon series really include sections about things like "Touring History" and "The Dethalbum"? Don't those things belong in the article about the band? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Magicallydajesus (talk • contribs) 07:27, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Mordland's size?
The article states its size as a billion acres, making it even larger geographically than India, if my math's correct. To be honest, while fitting with the overall theme of Dethklok being larger than anything realistic in real life, I don't recall hearing them ever mention the size during the show itself. I'll keep it up, but someone put up a citation, please. RPH (talk) 04:05, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it's obviously silly, but it says it's a billion acres on the DVD. Domorrigan (talk) 09:13, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, that's good. As long as there's a source, that's fine.  Now it just needs to be cited.  Unfortunately, I can't find my copy of the DVD, so I can't really make a citation for it.  Can someone who is familiar with what they said cite that info, then? RPH (talk) 20:56, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Bot idea for editing punctuation in Metalocalypse-related articles
Click here. Pmcginty (talk) 17:09, 25 July 2008 (UTC)