Talk:Metaplane

Article translation

 * This article is a partial translation of the Italian Wikipedia article, http://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Metaplano&oldid=40631532. Fences  &amp;  Windows  10:38, 19 June 2011 (UTC)


 * English sources: http://www.ainonline.com/news/single-news-page/article/nimbus-turns-uav-dreams-into-reality-with-metaplane-8528/; http://articles.janes.com/articles/International-Defence-Review-2008/Nimbus-flies-hybrid-UAV-prototype.html; http://papers.sae.org/2008-01-2243/ Fences  &amp;  Windows  10:47, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Article name
A while ago I moved this article from "Metaplano" to "Metaplane" as the English language RSs I've looked at have all used the "-e" spelling (albeit with variations such as "Meta-plane") and an Italian book title refers to "un metaplano" (indicating that it's not a proper noun). DexDor (talk) 18:12, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * [Moved from User talk:DexDor by DexDor] I am convinced that should be maintained the original word “metaplano”. Looking for the dictionary “metaplano” and “metaplane” seemed to be equivalent, but… What about translation to other languages? Italian and English have the fortune to have similar expression to describe soaring: “planare” (Italian)=”to plane” (English). But let’s look for other important languages. For example German “flugzeug” means “FlyingStuff”, French “avion” means “Action of Flying”, Polish “samolot” means “AutoFlight”, Spanish “Avión” means “Action of Flying” etc... For example for listed languages “metaplano” cannot be translated by using the same methodology as you have proposed for English. Because of this fact I propose to maintain original word “metaplano”. Example of such operations: “computer” (in English) in Italian is “computer” instead of “calcolatore”. Or “mafia” (in Italian) in English is “mafia” instead of “bad living organization”, or “aggressive boasting”. What do you think?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.112.23.133 (talk) 09:07, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't see the relevance of most of your examples, but I think you're saying that you would prefer English speakers to use the "-o" spelling (i.e. the same as in Italian) rather than anglicise the word to "-e". If you feel strongly about it I suggest you put your arguments to the aviation journalists who write English-language WP:RSs. While all/most English-language RSs use the "-e" spelling then that's the correct title of this WP:EN article. See also WP:COMMONNAME. The other way you could get the "-o" spelling into WP would be to write an article something like "The Nimbus Metaplano XYZ1 is an Italian unmanned aircraft ..." - in this case "Metaplano" is part of a name. Hope this helps. DexDor (talk) 18:12, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * The language is a tool. It should be as simple as possible without using its functionality. My idea was to have a unique name in all languages (for example: pizza, hot-dog). Translation of “metaplano” into “metaplane” is a kind of suggestion that each nation will have to find out its own name to describe the same configuration. But, on the other hand, you are right: according to WP:COMMONNAME the most relevant are already existing English sources. So if the Italians has already translated it to “metaplane”, maybe it should remain like this. --Wytrzeszcz1 (talk) 08:25, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I think your arguments about the article name are distracting from the real issue. - Nobody has a clue what the article is about, including peole like myself who have been in the aviation industry all of their lives.Petebutt (talk) 01:31, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Article content
To the author of this page - Please can you try to improve the English on this page; at the moment much of it is incomprehensible (too bad for me to guess what it means) and is likely to be deleted. Please also explain why the long list of Italian books needs to be here (as well as on the It article) and improve the "Mass media" bit - otherwise these are likely to be deleted (again). Quite frankly I'm getting tired of this and am beginning to wonder if AfD might be best. DexDor (talk) 19:28, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Dear DexDor,
 * For me (not English native speaker) and for some of my friends (also not native speakers) that have seen the article everything is clear. Please explain which parts are not clear for you and I will try to rewrite them or I will try to explain them in order to rewrite them in the more understandable way.
 * Wikipedia is basing on verifiable sources. First metaplane has been built in Italia, so as a consequence, most of the sources are in Italian language. Having the possibility so speak both in Italian and English, I’ve done the research trying to find as much of the sources as possible in both languages giving the proof of the metaplane’s existence. This way also the English speaking Wikipedia users can learn about this “particular” air vehicle’s configuration.
 * Additionally at WP:GNG (General Notability Guideline) is written that "Sources [...] are not required to be in English". So I don’t see any reason why the sources I’ve listed shouldn’t be listed. Wytrzeszcz1 (talk) 08:37, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

File:Metaplane EOS XI SN001 Turin Marathon.jpg Nominated for speedy Deletion

 * I agree, I don't know the copy right status of the picture, but I've inserted link of the source (as it is requested by wikipedia), so the more experienced wiki editors can check the copy right status as it is written at:Licensing (picture page) Wytrzeszcz1 (talk) 15:42, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I am proposing that this page be merged into Aircraft, Aerostat, or Hybrid airship. It is little more than a press release for a particular aircraft, which already has its own page at EosXi. All aeronautical references to the word "metaplane" or "metaplano" are associated with the EosXi. To the extent that the alleged flight characteristics of the EosXi are unique to that craft, a subsection at Hybrid airship may be appropriate. Otherwise, this page fails WP:Notability. Alphachimera (talk) 22:07, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose. There is no reliable body of evidence that "Metaplane" is anything other than the manufacturer's own name. Metaplane should be merged into to EosXi. &mdash; Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 17:01, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Done that, and the article subsequently moved to Nimbus EosXi. &mdash; Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 17:52, 31 December 2013 (UTC)