Talk:Metcard

Objectivity?
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The article seems to be somewhat skewed and unobjective. The following statements in particular:
 * They replaced a functionally identical yet technically simpler system of punch tickets and scratchies. (yet, in theory, the Metcard system is far simpler to use - the scratchie system required the user to scratch off the date and time of use - a sort of "manual validation")
 * the machines used to purchase or validate the tickets are notoriously quick to break down.  (whilst break-downs and problems occur, their "notoriety" is lileky less common than is implied by the text)
 * Subsequent validations are therefore technically unnecessary unless you plan to exit a gated rail station. (whilst technically so, it should be noted that re-validation is still legally required)
 * Ticket inspectors randomly check trains and trams, but their sometimes heavy-handed tactics have resulted in public discontent and even court cases, (firstly, for accuracy the correct term of "Authorised Officers" should be used, rather than "Ticket inspectors"; secondly, this statement seems to promote the unfortunate stereotype of all TIs/AOs being the "bully type" [whilst some have been rude and over-the-top in certain circumstances popularised by the media, this is generally not the case])
 * Firstly, the term "Ticket inspectors" is descriptive: the term "Authorised Officers" is a technical term with no evident meaning. Secondly, I didn't read "sometimes" as promoting a stereotype: I read "public discontent and even court cases" as an easily verified statement of fact.


 *  Melbourne's chronic level of fare evasion (implies that fare evasion is an epidemic of sorts in Melbourne, moreso than general cities worldwide; in many cities where fines are simply the cost of the trip or entirely unenforced, fare evasion is rampant - moreso than in Melbourne, one would assume)
 * I'm sure it depends on what you compare with (Hong Kong and Singapore are two places near here that have much lower levels of fare evasion), but the important points are that fare evasion was (1) Much higher than predicted, and (2) Much higher than it had been in the 'old' system with Tram Conductors and Station Staff.

Also, I've corrected the following factual error: despite existing validators already supporting smartcards as well as magnetic cards. -- the current equipment supports an RFID-based system, which is far less capable and for an entirely different purpose that the future smartcard system. The current system does not support smartcards.
 * What was the "entirely different purpose" of the MetCard RFID system? If you had one, you swiped your "card with the embedded processor" past the RFID sensor at the gate, and the gate opened, so it looked to me like it could have been used as a smartcard system -- I always presumed that the limitation was in the networking or system software -- the difficult non-standard functions that have caused myki problems -- rather than in the gate hardware.203.206.162.148 (talk) 03:24, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Naturally, I'd like to know what anyone reading thinks.

Cheers --Evan C 11:38, 26 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed, I think there are definate POV issues, and also the verifiability of some of the material. --takagawa-kun 02:58, 26 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Very muchly so, I think this article could do with a rewrite....Some of this stuff is bullsh*t!

--AndrewH 09:25, 7 March 2006 (UTC +11)


 * It read like a PTUA flyer I've updated some parts, using 'actuals' from the TTA website and not hypotheticals / rhetoric / 'bring back conductors' —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.34.63.1 (talk • contribs) 03:14, 21 March 2006  (UTC)
 * Much better! There're still a few bits I'm unsure of, but on the whole it's much better! --Evan C (Talk) 05:51, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Let me know what else you'd like changed, happy to help..

POV
I've added a POV tag to the article. It seems that not much has been done since the last discussion on this, but I'd suggest a rewrite for the How Metcard Works section. Like most other articles about Melbourne's transport, it reads like a whinge from disgruntled customers: while many of the statements are correct, it's written in a tone that elicits a certain reaction. Argh, stupid "loss of session data" errors! invincible 10:30, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree this sounds like some disgruntled person having a great old whine! Lordkyran 10:44, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

None of my business really, but looks neutral to me. 12.14.174.162 04:42, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Zone2/3 changes
I had read that the anomaly of zone 3 only existing in the outer east/SE, not all outer suburbs of similar distance, was one of the reasons for the change, as it was causing electoral discomfort for the local members in the zone 3 areas. However, I shall try and find the article to provide a reference. Natronomonas 01:00, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Frustratingly, I couldn't find the reference, so in the meantime I have removed the "anomaly" statement. Natronomonas 07:59, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

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