Talk:Methos

Contradiction
"it seems that Methos was born either in ancient Mesopotamia or ancient Egypt in around 3000 BC"

"He kept many journals, almost since the Sumerians invented writing in approximately 3300 BC"

That would mean he was keeping journals for the 300 years prior to his birth.


 * it wasn't methos who wrote the journals since 3300 BC. the sumerians invented writing in 3300 bc. methos just write journals afterwards. maybe someone should be more specific with this and maybe change the line a bit. HoneyBee 08:29, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

The Methos Chronicles
Why The Methos Chronicles animated flash series notes is being deleted? It is still part of Methos fandom, voiced by Peter Wingfield himself. There's no reason for deletion. HoneyBee 01:50, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I've decided to move The Methos Chronicles From "See Also" to "Spin-Offs".Secretaria 18:50, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Methos in EndGame
can someone provide/add something regarding him appear in the EndGame movie? I don't remember what happen during the movie (i never liked the movie anyway), so maybe someone can add something about methos in the movie. HoneyBee 10:56, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

History
Please don't change any large article without discussing it first in the discussion page. The history of Methos is based on Methos Chronicles animated series, thus a continuiation of the series and still canonical. HoneyBee 09:28, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Incorrect. Joe Dick 13:48, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * please don't delete large information history of methos without discussing it first with others. this is considered to be a vandal. the history of methos from The Methos Chronicles which was made by the creator of Highlander can be considered as canon. if you think otherwise, please state your reason. a personal POV or whether you think the storyline is irrelevant is not an excuse to delete information that were gathered from other users. if somehow the history is not canonical, we need to remind ourselves that Highlander universe is full of inconsistency and yet we still putting the information.HoneyBee 16:03, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * No it is not vandalism. Even if you disagree, it was clearly made in good faith, which you should know does not constitute vandalism.  The animated series, like the novels, are not considered canon - by the producers or by the fans.  This is common knowledge to Highlander fans.  I would suggest you acquaint yourself with the subject before attempting to tell others what's what.  Thank you.  (Also, do not post invalid warnings on my talk page.  I will report you.)  Joe Dick 12:20, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I apologize if this offended you or somekind, but you don't need to threatened me to report me, because I made contribution in good faith. I'm not telling others what's what, but the article itself was made by other editors too. They have been contributing from many sources. Deleting it without discussing it first, even if you disagree with the article, seems disrespect to others. If you feel the article is unsatisfactory, improve it rather than simply deleting it.HoneyBee 16:51, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Whether edits are made in good faith or not the removing of large sections of an article if disputed is to be reverted and discussed by those involved. This is common practice, While Being Bold is a great thing and needed sometimes to improve articles edits can be reverted [...] Don't be insulted if that does happen; users often display ownership of the articles they've written, whether intentionally or not. The BOLD, revert, discuss cycle will probably become a factor after a revert. Please just like us assume good faith with other editors and work with us to help improve wikipedia :-) -- UKPhoenix79 20:21, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The Methos Chronicles are not considered canon by the producers. The information I deleted does not belong in the article.  If it must be included, it should be put in a subsection.  Anyone is free to do this.  It does not belong where it is.  This is not something about which consensus is necessary or even relevant.  Joe Dick 21:42, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Where does this information come from? Is there a place you can cite stating such? -- UKPhoenix79 21:55, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Look for interviews with D/P. They state this many times.  Regardless, there was no citation for the information from The Methos Chronicles, giving readers the impression that it was revealed in HL:TS.  Go ahead and include it as long as it is stated where it comes from.  It is not of course necessary to cite each and every HL:TS episode where certain information was revealed, only when the information is from another (and non-canon) source.  Other than interviews there is no proof of canonicity, but I think that is enough.  Joe Dick 22:03, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Please cite the sources so that this can be verified. Your edits may be 100% correct but your actions have not been as such. Wikipedia is a community of editors an has many different rules to keep things in check, please try to work with us to make wikipedia better :-) -- UKPhoenix79 22:36, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * If I have to cite my sources so that they can be verified, shouldn't the information I deleted be changed to cite The Methos Chronicles as the source? Otherwise people will think it came from HL:TS, or at least a HL newbie would.  This could be confusing.  I believe I have said that is why I deleted it in the first place, but in fact you have accused me several times of not stating my reasons and of being unwilling to discuss things - neither of which is true.  I would like to work with you to make Wikipedia better, but it seems pointless to edit articles when those edits are blindly reverted.  If I had discussed this first, no one would have agreed and the changes would not have been made - and the article would be the poorer for it.  Joe Dick 22:47, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You are too close to the subject to be able to read what you wrote (I know that sounds silly). You came off aggressive and unwilling to work with others. Other users said that you were behaving inappropriately and then said that you would report them for stating such... I'm sure that you have heard the phrase actions speak louder than words, and they did. Your statements on the talk page did little to help.
 * Now I actually like that idea. Having a numerical indicator stating that this came from this source or that part of the highlander world. That is actually a really good idea :-) -- UKPhoenix79 23:23, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Peter11.gif
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 * I feel it is ill-fated anyway, and it's better if it's removed from the article. there are already several pics of him in this page. although their fates still questionable too. i uploaded them two years ago when i didn't know any better. if nobody objects, feel free to remove it. thx. HoneyBee 11:49, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Edits
I edited some of the grammar in this article. Mostly minor changes that allow the text to flow together better. I did not change any information, but I did flip a few sentences around as the wording was confusing. Selenameeka 20:34, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Another edit: I changed "Old and Wise" to "His Return". I feel it matches the subject of the remaining paragraphs better. Selenameeka (talk) 20:12, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Alternate
I changed the title "Alternative" to "Alternate" Methos. Alternative just didn't quite fit and it sounded weird (being as alternative usually dipects a movement and alternate as a word usually is the same as opposite). Selenameeka (talk) 21:23, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * This is good. But i wonder if 'Alternate Universe Methos' would be more descriptive or just too much info? Hooper (talk) 19:19, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I see what you mean, but "Alternate Universe" is commonly used in many fandoms and might help signify that his "alternate" self isn't part of the "normal" timeline but, part of another universe's timeline. Otherwise, someone might think this alternate Methos is somehow part of this timeline (until they read further, of course!). I think we should change it, for now anyway. If no one objects, I'll do it. Selenameeka (talk) 19:52, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, the article needs a complete rewrite, because we shouldn't describe fictional characters as if they really existed, so if you feel up to it, don't hesitate. Rosenknospe (talk) 13:10, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

First Paragraph
The first paragraph seems a bit assuming. Is there any way we can bring in citations to somehow prove that Methos was a very popular character, or that "[t]he audience liked the perspective of a cynical five-thousand-year-old man, combined with the complexity of the character's dual roles."

I don't want to dispute the points because I have seen that Methos is a popular character, but is there any official document that states that anywhere? If there isn't anything that directly supports the few sentences I'm talking about, I'm sure we can cut them out of the intro and make it seem less.......fan-ish. Maybe that'll help clean up the article? Selenameeka (talk) 20:03, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Hm, I might actually have a citation somewhere, but I have to check my other book, so it will be done tomorrow. I'm definitely sure there's nothing about the "perspective..." etc thingy, though, so I think you can remove it. Rosenknospe (talk) 13:12, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I couldn't find any cite. So just write it better. Rosenknospe (talk) 09:15, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Question
In this article there is a lot of "Methos said this" or whatever. While I know he did, shouldn't those somehow be reworded and a citation added to the paticular episode where he said/did/etc...this? Ex) "Methos said that life was about changes, and about accepting who you are, good or bad." can be changed to (because methos didn't actually say that, Duncan did from what he learned from Methos) -> "Duncan admitted that Methos has taught him something: that life is about change, about learning to accept who you are — good or bad."

I could do it, but I'll need help as I've never done citations before.

A good site to use to help remember when he said was it: http://www.methos.org/chronicles/default.asp  Selenameeka (talk) 20:26, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * You do that by writing


 * and then you need to add

==References==


 * at the end of the article so that the references become visible. Don't use that website as a reference though, because fansites are not reliable sources. (Sorry, I do hate spoiling other people's fun.) Please take a look at the talk page of the Highlander Wikiproject too, I have discussed your question. Thank you, have a nice day. Rosenknospe (talk) 13:22, 9 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I didn't think to use that website as a reference, but it helps me to remember what episode it was from. I was thinking it was okay to link to the episode in Wiki...is this correct? Selenameeka (talk) 18:42, 9 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately not, you can't use Wikipedia as a reference (would be too easy ;). But you can source to the DVD containing the episode, for example. Rosenknospe (talk) 09:18, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Right. Thanks! :) Selenameeka (talk) 15:33, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Silly Question

 * This might be a silly question, but do the Methos Chronicles actually count as Canon? If I'm not mistaken, I think that was the source for his First Death via sandstorm? --William Kayton (talk) 22:28, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think they are as it used Peter Wingfield, but there is discussion of this above... Selenameeka (talk) 18:28, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Whoopsie, I thought you meant the Flash series...I posted a similar question below...sorry. Be more specific since there is more than one thing named "The Methos Chronicles" in the highlander Universe. Selenameeka (talk) 16:01, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I probably did mean the Flash Series. Lol. But at any rate, it's okay. --William Kayton (talk) 08:01, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Wahoo!
Okay, finally finished the major parts of the article and posted it! Took long enough, I know. I'm still working on Methos' relationship with Joe and Richie. Also, I have a lot of references. Are these done correctly? I can't figure out how to do it any other way...and it doesn't look correct to me. Can someone tell me what I did wrong? Thanks so much! Selenameeka (talk) 15:39, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow, I didn't like how some of it was written, so I fixed it. Tried to make it seem as unfan-ish as possible. I don't think I did so well, but it's better than before. Thanks! Selenameeka (talk) 19:19, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Hello, there. I think you need more out-of-universe information, such as character creation and development, public reception, reviews, this kind of things. You can find examples at Palpatine, Khan Noonien Singh or Jack Sparrow, all FAs about fictional characters. Read them and I'm sure you'll find a lots of ideas to improve the article. Happy editing, Rosenknospe (talk) 20:16, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I have a book, "Highlander: The Complete Watcher's Guide" that talks a lot about behind the scenes stuff and some (albet a little old) of the public reception on Methos. I've read it multiple times. I'll add some more beef into the article. Thanks again for your help! Selenameeka (talk) 21:21, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Cannon?
Alright, here is another silly question (in reference to Will's above :D ): Are the short stories in the book "An Evening at Joe's" considered cannon? Has there ever been any discussion on the issue with the producers? If so, could someone give me a link to the information? I can't find anything on it. Also, if it's "undecided", should I state that somewhere? And the same question still applies to the Flash animated series, was there ever an agreement on this?Selenameeka (talk) 15:51, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, here's my take on this one : This is Wikipedia, so what you would have to consider is, is this a good source ? Take the story "Methos Chronicles, Part I", who's the author ? Don Buchanan. Who was he ? Prop master. So he's unlikely to have taken part to the creative process of writing the show. Take "Postcards from Alexa". Authors ? Donna Lettow and Gillian Horvath. Who were they ? Associate creative consultants. Where they involved in the writing of the show ? Oh yes they were. So Postcards would be a better source than Chronicles Part I. Besides, Horvath says in the introduction that the writers were given full freedom to write what they liked, so it is likely that the stories are not totally complying with the guidelines as used on the show. (And I might say, even in Postcards errors happen, I mean, marathon in ancient Greece ? The guy died on arrival ! ;) So, what you would have to do (difficult I know) is, carefully consider if the source is made by people who are likely to know how the show works and in doubt, only use it as back up for things that can be cited from other sources (series etc). The Methos Chronicles anime is perhaps more sound a source from this point of view, as it was produced by Davis-Panzer. I'm aware I skip the canonicity problem, but if canon is uncitable as you mentioned above, then it shouldn't be mentioned, verifiability and all that stuff, you know. So this is my opinion on that matter. Happy editing ! Have a nice day, Rosenknospe (talk) 10:30, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

The info box says he was born 6000 BC. The Other Appearances section states 3800 BC, and the main article gives an approximate date of 2500 BC (2000AD-5500). Both the main article and Other Appearances section give references, but I cannot find any for the 6000 BC date. This should probably be changed, but to which date? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.246.71.11 (talk) 22:34, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Highlander: Reunion short film
Why no mention of Methos, Joe, and Amanda in the 16 minute short Reunion? Too bad it's only available in the States via Hulu... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.215.29.179 (talk) 22:25, 3 May 2010 (UTC)