Talk:Metoidioplasty/Archive 1

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All of the changes by FTMichael were not bad. There were a couple of POV issues, so I edited that to improve it. Also, added a citation for his comments, changed the citations so they are consistent and reflect the citations in medline. However, just reverting it back to the old version with no explanation tossed some reasonable improvements. NickGorton 19:26, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I can't find information ANYWHERE on how to pronounce the word Metoidioplasty. Is it like meto-idioplasty? Or is the oi in the middle a diphthong (like "oil") -- met-oid-ioplasty? No online dictionary seems to answer this question. Most people seem to do the "oi" together, but how is the word constructed? Obviously, "meto" might be a prefix, and "idioplasty" the root... or it might not. Enquiring minds want to know where this word comes from and thus how it is pronounced! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.129.16.5 (talk • contribs) 20:51, 12 July 2007
 * Meto = cut, snip, sever
 * Idio = private, personal
 * Plasty = formation
 * Pronunciation is here.
 * --Atlantima (talk) 21:30, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * What is the source for that? Here's another etymology: Lebovic and Laub [1] first introduced the main principles of the technique and named it metoidioplasty, derived from the Greek words ‘meta’, ‘toward’ and ‘oidion’, ‘male genitalia’. ... [1] Lebovic GS, Laub DR. Metoidioplasty. In EhrlichRM, AlterGJ eds, Reconstructive and Plastic Surgery of the External Genitalia. Philadelphia: WB Saunders Co., 1999: 355–60 I haven't been able to find the word "οιδιον" though, is it spelled differently?--88.73.31.75 (talk) 13:19, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

It's more likely to be a corrupt form of "αιδοίο" which just means "genitals" in ancient greek (αιδοίο < αιδώς = shame. literally; the shameful ) It's too farfetched an etymology to be toward "ίδιον" which means "same" or "οίδιον" which doesn't exist. It also makes sense: phalloplasty = penis sculpting, metaidioplasty = transforming a vagina. Terrible choice of words, but there you have it. Oh, in modern greek αιδοίον = vagina. It's the formal word, it has also lost its ancient greek meaning of "vagina OR penis". The correct form of "metaidoioplasty" would be pronounced "met-aidio-plasty", but since that's not the word used, the term "metoidioplasty" is correctly pronounced like the sound byte above: meto-idio-plasty. Source: being greek and trans and just knowing stuff. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.190.39.163 (talk) 00:14, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

The contributor above is correct in that 'metoidioplasty' and other variations are all misspellings of a term based on 'αιδοία': metaidoioplasty. However, it is not a 'terrible choice of words' as αιδοία is used here in its sense of male genitals (as contributor correctly specifies, the ancient Greek word does not differentiate between male or female). The combination of μετα and αιδοία with -plasty is therefore intended to mean 'creation towards (male) genitalia'. I am inclined to correct all mentions of metoidioplasty to metaidoioplasty, but I understand the misspelling is so widespread a correction of the lemma would make the article hard to find. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.45.6.63 (talk) 14:17, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

The Ancient Greek is actually τό αἰδοῖον, which according to LSJ often shows up in plural (τά αἰδοῖα) and anyway does indeed mean "genitals" or, as LSJ coyly puts it, "privy parts." Some of the above relies on Modern Greek pronunciation, but that's not how Greek words typically make it into medical English. Take the initial "e" in "economy"; that derives from the οι in οἶκος (meaning "house"), which would be Romanized by the actual Romans as "OE", which in Medieval Latin came to be pronounced /ɛ/ just like "AE" and "E". When such words get borrowed into English, the "AE" and "OE" are often reduced to "e", though the British especially are fond of sometimes retaining them, as in "oestrogen," though even they wouldn't talk about "foederation." Anyhow, αἰδοῖον would become "AEDOEON" in Latin and could easily turn into "edeon" in English, but I've never seen "metedeoplasty" so what happened here is probably simply that surgeons aren't classicists and they rather butchered the word. I doubt they do free revisions for linguistic surgery... But I'm skeptical of the claim that the correct spelling is "metaidoioplasty" because Greek words making it into medical English don't generally get Romanized in a modern way based on reconstructed ancient pronunciation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:791D:2C51:D85D:8781:326D:9CC2 (talk) 05:15, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Length
Is the 4-5cm length flaccid or erect? I assume flaccid, but does anyone know the erect size? I know that one of the benefits of phalloplasty is deeper penetration during intercourse, but I can't find any references to the feasibility of intercourse after metoidioplasty. --Jazz Bandit (talk) 00:50, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Does this help? http://www.ftmtransition.com/transition/faq/faqsex.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.190.39.163 (talk) 09:24, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

"Traditional" intercourse?
I'm super uncomfortable with the "more traditional intercourse" line. I';m not sure how to rephrase but somebody should fix that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.246.47.103 (talk) 02:56, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I completely agree that "more traditional intercourse" is not only potentially offensive but also very unclear. It should absolutely be edited to be more clear and less subjectively interpretive. 81.105.139.13 (talk) 08:03, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I edited it to say the neopenis could be used for penetrative sex, as I assume that's what that line meant. If I was wrong, though, please feel free to correct. 76.110.216.144 (talk) 03:06, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

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