Talk:Metro Detroit

Area
I was just doing some poking around the new American FactFinder, and realize that the areas given here for each of the divisions (urbanized area, MSA, and CSA) actually include both land and water. Is this consistent with how area is given for other metropolitan pages here on wiki, or should be just include the land area? I ask, because Wayne and Macomb counties, in particular, include a lot of water, specifically, Lake St. Clair. --Criticalthinker (talk) 03:38, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

CFD for category related to this article
FYI: There is an ongoing discussion at WP:CFD regarding the names of categories for certain US metropolitan areas, including this one. See Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013 March 4. --Orlady (talk) 17:14, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Ann Arbor?
Having lived in both Metro Detroit and Ann Arbor, I do not see Ann Arbor as part of Metro Detroit, nor do most Ann Arborites. AnnArbor.com even wrote an article on this: http://www.annarbor.com/news/conan-smith-on-why-ann-arbor-doesnt-yet-see-itself-as-part-of-metro-detroit-and-why-it-should/. I feel that all references to Ann Arbor as part of Metro Detroit should be removed from this article, and it should rather be treated as a satellite city of Detroit, like Flint. Any thoughts? Wikipedian77 (talk) 15:48, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Ann Arbor is included in metro Detroit because parts of Ann Arbor's suburbs also include people who commute to Southfield, Troy, or Detroit. Also, UofM's heavy integration with the metro Detroit economy probably plays a role, despite Ann Arbor being a totally economically and geographically independent city. Newark is included in metro NYC or Fredericksburg in metro DC for the same reason: an independent city, economy, and culture where almost nobody commutes to or has connections to NYC, but the regional economy is still connected enough that the Census Bureau has to do something to indicate that. Combining metro Detroit and metro Ann Arbor into the higher-level grouping of a Detroit-Ann Arbor CSA isn't a perfect solution, but it represents a good middle ground between folding Ann Arbor into metro Detroit or separating the two completely.


 * Detroit is developing like any other rust belt city, in that there's an ever-expanding donut of new builds surrounding an ever-wider and emptier donut hole, and inevitably the donut will be far enough out and wide enough that Ann Arbor will fall within it. However, as long as cities in the region are developing like this, it is fair to consider, when do parts of metro Detroit stop being metro Detroit? When do these "suburbs" get far enough out and economically independent enough that they have to technically become their own cities and metros, as unconnected to Detroit as they are to each other? I'd say the *extreme* outer ring, places like the South Lyon-Brighton area, and the beginnings of metro Flint, already qualify. Does a 50-mile-wide ring of midsize cities surrounding an empty crater of cornfields and abandoned ghetto count as a single metro, just because that crater used to be a city? How about a 100-mile-wide ring? 150 miles? 200 miles? A line has to be drawn somewhere, but I don't think we have the statistical means to deal with a metro dispersing or disappearing, and relabel the former constituent parts appropriately at the appropriate time, because it's something that's just never happened before. --24.153.32.41 (talk) 01:08, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
 * It depends on various definitions. The US Office of Management and Budget includes Ann Arbor in the "Combined Statistical Area" but not in the Detroit "Metropolitan Statistical Area". Other agencies may have other definitions. As for why or why not, it would be nice to have published references saying why Ann Arbor should be included. Here's an example. WhisperToMe (talk) 20:29, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * At one time, Metro Detroit was defined as the 313 area code. That doesn't work now. Livingston County is considered part of metro Detroit, for the most part, Ann Arbor is closer in than Livingston county. John from Idegon (talk) 20:49, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Population infobox
I'd like to propose changing the population infobox back to the "US Census population" format where it automatically calculates the percentage gain or loss over the decade. In fact, this box also needs to be on the Detroit article, too. To keep this consistent with most other metro pages, the "metro" is always the Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA). I don't mind keeping information about the CSA in the article, but I think the primary focus should always be on the actual metropolitan area as formally defined by the Census and OMB. There is also really no need to include the city's population history, here. If anyone is vehement against this change, then I would propose using both infoboxes, but putting the "US Census population" calculator in the Demographics subsection. I just think most people would like to be able to see the gains and losses as a percentage and for the box to be more simple. --Criticalthinker (talk) 11:41, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Heads up. I will be changing this soon.  It will read like the historical population charts consistent with other wiki pages.  Since this is about the MSA, that is what will be featured.  We don't need historic populations for the CSA and city present in the same infobox. --Criticalthinker (talk) 08:36, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

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Other sources
On drug use in the area https://www.samhsa.gov/data/sites/default/files/NSDUHMetroBriefReports/NSDUHMetroBriefReports/NSDUH-Metro-Detroit.pdf WhisperToMe (talk) 20:30, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Possible sources

 * "Why Detroit’s Property Crime Rate is Below the Nation"
 * "Despite positive crime stats, some Detroiters feel unsafe"
 * "Putting Detroit’s improving crime picture into context"
 * "Reality vs. Perceptions: An Analysis of Crime and Safety in Downtown Detroit"
 * "10 Detroit Suburbs Among Safest Cities In Michigan"
 * "Detroit ranks as 2nd most violent big city"

I hope this helps! :) &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 03:16, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Satellite image (Main image of the article)
I've updated the satellite image of the article from the Image form Landsat in 2001 to a more recent image taken by Sentinel-2 this is the image here. Wikihelp7586 (talk) 23:47, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Maps
With the introduction of the MSA/CSA map by Lrgjr72, the individual county maps are even less necessary. How do we feel about clearing these to declutter that section of the article? Criticalthinker (talk) 10:35, 1 January 2023 (UTC)