Talk:Mew (Pokémon)/Archive 1

HOW TO GET MEW IN POKéMON RED/BLUE
From http://cheats.ign.com/ob2/068/009/009846.html

Pokemon Red Only Way To Get Mew #2 Apparently, catching a Mew is no longer bee-ess. This glitch has been verified by IGN Pokemon Board Mods, so you know.

Restart your game and play until you get HM02 Fly from the house west of Celadon City (or just beat the third gym and get the badge that lets you use fly out of battle and trade pokemon that know fly to the new game).

IMPORTANT!!: DO NOT fight the following trainers: The Youngster with a Slowpoke (level 17) on the road to Bill's house(Route 25). He is the fourth trainer after you cross Nugget Bridge, standing directly above a female trainer and facing north. The Gambler with two poliwags and a poliwhirl (all level 22) between Lavender Town and Saffron City (Route 8). He is standing just east of the entrance to Saffron City, facing north toward the door of the Underground Path. Care fully follow the series of steps illustrated below...

Make sure you have a pokemon that knows FLY. Make sure you have a level 5 or 6 pokemon and a pokemon that knows SLEEP on your team. Stock up with pokeballs (Great Balls work the best). Now Save your game before you enter Route 8 since saving after this point will disrupt the procedure.

On Route 8, stand in front of the door of the Underground Path (don't let the gambler see you or you will need to restart where you last saved). Walk down one step and IMMEDIATELY press start. If you succeed, the menu will pop up before the Gambler "sees" you. Go to the Pokemon list and fly to Cerulean City. The Gambler will see you just before you fly away. Your Start button will no longer function. Go north across Nugget Bridge and head east until you find the Youngster described above.

If you walk right up to the Youngster, the game will lock up, so you'll have to let him see you and walk up to you. Defeat his Slowpoke(afterwards your start button will work again), then fly to Lavender Town. Head west into Route 8. As soon as you enter the narrow path, the menu will pop up by itself. Press B to exit. . . and a wild Mew should appear. Mew will be at Level 7 and its only attack will be Pound. Get'em! Once you've caught Mew, you can save without any ill effects!

NOTE: I did this on my red game and I assume it works on the others (the Pokemon Board Mods say 'Yes'). It is well worth testing it because it is fairly easy to do but it is a little time consuming. Submitted by - Megod


 * Yes, it works on other versions. I've tried it on Blue, but not Red. I've also tried it in Yellow, and it still works. Also, why the heck is there that load of sh!t about "beat the Elite Four 12 times and you'll get a Mew" on the page!? Those kinds of rumors were all disproven way back in 1999. Beating the E4 X amount of times does nothing special, whether it's 1, 12, 255, or 728, or whatever. Also, the first website to have this glitch detailed was http://pokeglitch.tripod.com/id1.html, not IGN.

Erm. Who cares? This is an ENCYCLOPEDIA, not a gaming guide. Esper rant  02:39, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Pick up and fly away?
In both Smash Bros. Games, if thrown at the perfect momenent, Mew will pick up the opponent and fly away.


 * I've never seen mew pick anyone up in Smash Bros games O__o;


 * It is probably completely false, but I have placed it here for if it can be verified. Sonic Mew 16:02, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)


 * Yeah, and Splash is a one-hit-KO if you use it right. It's fake. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 19:23, 31 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Mew is in Smash Bros.?! (LatiRider 05:34, 22 June 2007 (UTC))

Does the Mew glitch work on the Japanese Green Version...??
Does the Mew glitch work on the Japanese Green Version...??
 * Yes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.68.73.246 (talk) 21:50, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Pokémon World = Earth?
In Pokémon: The First Movie, Team Rocket Scientists used a fossilized strand of Mew's Hair that they found in the Amazon Rainforest to create Mewtwo.

An interesting thing to note here is the mention of the Amazon Rainforest, which means that the world of Pokémon is actually Earth itself although this is not officialy supported. --Arima 14:23, 7 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Kanto is a region in Japan. It doesn't mean the Pokémon world has anything to do with the real world. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 17:25, 7 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Though, if we are to believe the animé, at least, all Pokémon "regions" are, indeed, on Earth. A reference was made in "The School Of Hard Knocks" to France and all the characters visited Hollywood in "Go West, Young Meowth!".  Add to that, Ash makes a reference to Minnesota in Pokémon: The First Movie, which, of course, is in the animé continuity.  I think it's entirely possible that the Pokémon regions are on Earth, BUT it could be the case that the games, animé and manga each take place in alternate or parallel universes.  I realise this has nothing at all to do with Mew, but I just thought I'd chip in my two pence on the whole Earth/Not Earth thing --L T Dangerous 15:22, 16 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I always thought that the pokemon world was Earth, but based on the technology (ie pokeballs) that it took place in the future. pokemon came from space, and killed off most of the dominant animal life (survival of the fittest) this makes sense, because aside from fish, the anime shows very little non-pokemon animal life


 * Ash also mentions "Merry old England" in the anime. It's an alternate Earth. ~ZytheTalk to me! 23:29, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Then again, most of those "Earth" references could have just been put in by the company that does the dubbing. I know that some of those references have accompanying backdrops to coincide with them (I know the France one does), but do we know what was said in the original Japanese version of those scenes?  --SaturnYoshi 06:50, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Does it even matter?


 * [me] You know what all the regions are named in the game?


 * Kanto, Johto, Hoenn...


 * They exist in Japan!


 * Kansai - Johto, Kanto - Kanto and Kyushu - Hoenn (flipped by 90 degrees and smaller) [end/me]

A scientist in Pokémon Red and Blue's Silph Co. complains about being transferred to the "Tiksi Branch in Russian no-man's land. Pokédex entries refer to places like China and South America. Lt. Surge is referred to as "The Lightning American." At least in the continuity of the games, Pokémon's world is some alternate version of Earth. Happy Mask Man 02:13, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay. No one is really disagreeing.  -SaturnYoshi 03:26, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

First Anime Appearance
Not arguing any points, but I have a theory that can't be proven right now: Mew could have appeared at any point in the Anime before the first movie, and we'd never know for sure. In the 8th movie, it imitates Ho-oh. And Ash saw Ho-oh right at the beginning of his journey. That said, I have a point that may disprove my theory: Mew's bubble wasn't burst at the start of Mewtwo Strikes Back, and the first scenes of the 8th movie were over a hundred's of years ago.

Just as a tid bit mew can transform into any pokemon in the world this is stated in the 8th movie so should we put that in its profile if no one disagrees i'm going to add it. danieljackson 14:53, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Games and anime are separate canons, so what holds true in the anime doesn't necessarily hold true in the games. besides, the Biological Characteristics section already acknowledges its ability to transform. -Jeske (v^_^v) 16:25, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

i wasnt saying i was going to put it in the game section so i dont know where you got that idea i was talking about the anime section in which time and time again hes shows to use the ability to transform plus he shows up in the very begining of the series as a ho-oh danieljackson 08:10, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * What proof do you have that the Ho-Oh Ash saw was Mew? Fanon is not supportable. Further, this is not the place to theorize. -Jeske (v^_^v) 13:05, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Rumors
Maybe we could include debunked rumors about how to get it? I'm playing XD and I just ran across a hilarious scenario in Quick Battle where my COM opponent's opening line was "There's no Pokémon under a truck". LOL -- WikidSmaht (talk) 19:40, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

This is an old post, but... I like the idea. If it's not already in the article, I'll find a way to work it in somehow Esper  rant  02:42, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Fetus
Has anyone noticed Mew's resemblance with a fetus? I mean, it is weakly developed, it is the origin of every Pokémon, and older game sprites mostly show it curled up in fetal position. Should I add it? Thanks Chairoguma 04:26, 2 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Probably not. That would be something similar to original research, I would say. --Sparky Lurkdragon 07:06, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Good Point, Chairomibobbi.- 12Hernn

fact check
Please fact check

Unable to fix typo
In the infobox, it says "Weight: 9.0 lb lb" but when I click edit page the spelling error isn't showing. WikiSlasher 07:39, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I fixed it. There's no need to type "9.0 lb"; the template inserts the "lb" automagically. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 08:17, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Mew is Kū?
I have been doing some search and I honestly think that Mew acctualy represents the fifth element of the japanese philosophy: Kū, because it has everything to do with it. See for yourself.

Jorge jojae 14:14, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Unique?
It says Mew is unique in one sentence, but then it says that Mew specimens have been studied close-up.

Mews Name
In the article, it is said, the name Mew refers to "meow". But in the original (japanese) version the name is Myu so Mew also could be a reference to the japanese word Myo, that means strange and/or unique. I found this in the name guide on GameFAQs -> GBA -> Pokemon LeafGreen --Greetings, Constructor 23:49, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I think you maybe right. cat in japanese is 猫 (mao)


 * Actually, cat in Japanese is 猫（neko、ねこ）. "Mao" is Chinese.
 * Further more, the name may refer to Mu (pronounced "Mew"), which is used to denote Arithmetic mean, since Mew apparently contains the DNA of every Pokemon, thus is a "mean" of every existing Pokemon.
 * My two cents.
 * --Koheiman 15:25, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Detail and tone of voice
This article needs copyediting and refining. Some of the sections are important for gameplay help, but Wikipedia is not a game guide. I am in favor of removing some content.


 * All game guide-esque material can be removed. There have been additions like these to several of the Pok&eacute;mon articles and they have been removed.  -SaturnYoshi 09:23, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Trading Mew in Ruby/Sapphire
If you get Mew, is it possible to trade it to other games, such as Emerald?

Or is it untradeable?


 * Mew is tradeable to all current gen Pok&eacute;mon games. This includes Ruby, Sapphire, FireRed, LeafGreen, Colliseum and XD.  Emerald is the version in which it is captured.  However, if you are using an Action Replay to obtain Mew, there are some codes out there that despite letting you obtain it, will not let you trade.  This has been fixed, you just have to look for the right one.  -SaturnYoshi 14:51, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey, in the article at the top, in the chart, where it shows Mew's name, picture, signature, etc., isn't it also supposed to show Mew's signature attack and shiny colour?
 * That's been disabled for a while. Nobody could agree on which Pokémon had which signature attack, and the shiny color was deemed unencyclopedic and inane trivia. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:04, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand why they made Mew genderless...
After all, they said Mew gave birth to Mewtwo... kind of odd, IMHO. --Nintendorulez talk 17:12, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Mew giving birth to Mewtwo is only an expression. --Plau 17:14, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It's not impossible for the Egg to have stayed in, and developed in Mew's Womb, if it has one. In the same way that Monotremes lay eggs, while other mammals don't, Mew could give live birth.  Or it could be a metaphore to the egg's hatching.  Understand that the Pokedex for Nidorina talks about it's motherly qualities, when Nidorina is, in fact, sterile.--Nintenfreak 22:22, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Infertile! only males are called Sterile... 71.60.172.54 01:12, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It's to promote the idea that Legendary Pokémon can't breed, I mean, an army of baby Mews would anihilate everything in sight. And be adorable. --Phred Levi 02:02, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Too true. Way, way, way too true.  *huggles Mews, only to scare one and get flung away by telekinesis*  --Luigifan 12:08, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The odd thing is, I've invented baby forms of Articuno, Moltres, and Zapdos. --Luigifan 12:13, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * For the games this makes sense. If Mew was given a gender, any player who had one could breed as many Mews as they wanted in game. NONE of the legendary pokemon have gender for this reason. They are a one time deal. However this does contradict information from the previous games. But this isnt the first time that has happend. Like Cubone being able to breed ingame, despite the pokedex saying it dies after giving birth. (Animedude 05:48, 23 June 2007 (UTC))

well, pokemon at the day care dont give birth, the egg just "appears"

well in fact in mewtwo strickes back they clone mewtwo so therfore mew didnt have mewtwo hes a clone. [AJ N.] igpx041992@aol.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.64.193.229 (talk) 18:34, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

The mew rumor XD
there is a rumor that,in firered and leafgreen, that if you get all 28 unown and somehow find a secret cave which is called New Alph (possible connection to johtos ruins of alph?)4 unown will float up to your player (each lv.55, and they will freeze the game if you try to capture them)and you are FORCED into battle. then an unown ! will float up and lead you deep into the chamber, where it actually speaks and states 'i am lord Byralnown. you are the chosen one. pull the sacred leyever.' (lever + eye=leyever) when you do, a cutscene will occur where a new chamber rises out of the sea on 7 island. when you go there, theres no way inside. you must click on the visual braille (which reads: Wem XD chamber) and pause for a FULL minute, then a door automatically appears, opening into a labyrinth much like cerulean cave. the only wild pokemon are unown, ranging from lv.25 to lv.45, until you reach a door at the end of the labyrinths 10th floor which has more braille (reading: gather your courage, test your strength, a battle is coming that you wont soon forget.) then the door opens and your controls are reversed. EX: you press down on the control pad to go forward. then you have to make your way to the center of a small labyrinth where you find a lv.85 mew. then, just battle it to catch it. NOTE: it is suspected that New Alph is found in either digletts cave or one of the underground paths, but no one knows for sure. for more info, see unown


 * This is completely and utterly FALSE. Also, what info in the Unown article is being refered to?  - Saturn  Yoshi  THE VOICES 14:37, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Dude, as writer of this article, i must say, you are a total NERD.


 * I agree with SaturnYoshi partially; it may not be false, but it has to be supported with a reliable source. If no one can support this with references, we have no choice but to see it as false. You must understand that Wikipedia is supposed to contain up-to-date and accurate information. It is not Uncyclopedia, nor is it a game guide. Original research is not permitted on this encyclopedia. -- Alt  iris   Exeunt  10:44, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Nice rumor. Beats the phony "Ragunaros" pictures big-time. (UTC) Squareenix

Man, I wish that was true. I mean, Mew is my favorite Pokémon!!! --Luigifan 12:15, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Mew as a development/testing tool?
In the first generation games, Red and Blue, it's interesting to note that Mew seemed to be prime for testing the code for Pokemon ability management and use. For example: he had five abilities, just one more than the ability list's four slots. Also, being compatible with all the machines, it would have allowed the developers an opportunity to check the code for the machines, for using them as well as the abilities they resulted in. It could possibly also have been used to ensure that the abilities were sufficiently "generic" enough for all pokemon to use them flawlessly.

I suppose it's invalid as "original research", but... FxChiP 04:16, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Romanization of Mew's Japanese name?
In the article about Mew, they have the English name also as the Japanese name. Now, I know all that can be possible known about Mew, and it would only be natural that I know Mew's Japanese name. Someone below said it is "Myu" which is not totaly correct. The correct name is "Myuu" and should show that on the article. When I went to edit this error, it showed this for the area to edit the name: Mew I never seen the word romanization before and am too lazy to look it up. Will someone explain why someone dose not want the correct Japanese name to be shown? Oh, and while I'm still typing, I would like to mention something else I read in the talk page for Mew. Someone said Mew gave birth to Mewtwo. That is true and false in some ways. Mewtwo was cloned from the fossil of a Mew in the Amizon Rainforest by a team of scientests lead by Team Rocket. Mew did not carry Mewtwo in a womb or an egg, thus never gave birth to Mewtwo. But, Mewtwo was made directly from the DNA of a Mew, making Mew the biological parent of Mewtwo. Well, that is all I have to say for now. May everyone continue to love and worship the all poweful Mew, ancestor of all Pokemon! MewSkitty 08:24, 23 December 2006 (UTC)MewSkitty
 * It means Nintendo trademarked the transliteration, or romanization, of the Japanese name (ミュウ) as "Mew", instead of "Myuu" or "Myū". —M_C_Y_1008 (talk/contribs) 03:36, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

HAIR?!
Uh I i dont think mew has hair hes shiney from shiney skin may i delete that? -Pickle456788
 * "When viewed through a microscope, this POKéMON's short, fine, delicate hair can be seen." -- Pokémon Yellow Pokédex entry
 * Regards. —M_C_Y_1008 (talk/contribs) 03:36, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Help With Mewthree
I just started this page and it really needs help cuz im new its under see also.-User:Pickle456788
 * We don't need a page on a fake Pokémon from a fake game. Also, new talk page sections go at the bottom, and you should sign your posts using . –  mcy1008  ( talk ) 01:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Now let's see…
 * New talk topics to the bottom, not some random place in the middle of the page.
 * Sign your posts four tildes (~), not just your name, so we can get a date and time. Yes, it matters.
 * Speedy delete requested. :)—ウルタプ 01:28, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Is Mew a feline?
I understand that Mew has a feline-like appearance, but strictly speaking, I don't think it's a "cat".

From my point of view, Mew looks more like a mouse than a cat.

--Koheiman 15:28, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * And from my point of view, it looks like Boccob, but most everyone agrees it resembles a fetus closest, with its tail being the umbilical cord. -Jeske (v^_^v) 15:37, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Now that you mention it, it does look like a fetus...--Koheiman 15:52, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

The anime section
The anime section is hurendus the begining doesnt make any sense at all and then the rest is jumbled together and then it looks like somone put original research theory's on it i'm cleaning it up and reorganizing danieljackson 07:44, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Okay i reorganized the anime section so that its fluent throughout danieljackson 08:07, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

The possibility that Mewtwo blocked off Mew's powers during their fight in Mewtwo Strikes Back
This is definitely not the case. When Mewtwo propsed a fight between his clones and Mew's "pathetic group of spineless originals", Mew said to Mewtwo that nothing is proven by showing off a lot of special powers, and so Mewtwo responded that he would block off the Pokemon's special abilities; he was obviously referring to his clones and their originals, not Mew as well. Also, when Mewtwo blocked off the Pokemon's powers in the stadium, he did it so that they could only fight physically. Mew, however, was still using his vaious powers. And Mewtwo made it very clear that he wanted a good fight with Mew to see which of them is greater; he would not of blocked off any of Mew's powers even if he could, needed, or wanted to, as that would have made the fight unfair and maybe even given Mewtwo an advantage, which Mewtwo definitely did not want. Mewtwo wanted Mew to fight as best Mew could so that if Mewtwo won he'd be proven greater then Mew. Anyway, Mewtwo blocking off Mew's powers would indicate that he is frightened them (Mew's powers), which is ludicrous. So again, the possibility that Mewtwo blocked off Mew's powers is out of the question. Mew is, of course, super powerful Pokemon himself; I highly doubt he'd of been able to block off Mew's powers. I believe Mew didnt show any abilities of being able to transform into other Pokemon in Mewtwo Strikes Back simply because the creators didnt think about it or didnt want it(Mew) to. It was always known that Mew could transform into any Pokemon, so I think the creators wanted to incorporate that ability, this time, into Lucario and the Mystery of Mew.
 * Erm... We do not thoerize... -Jeske (v^_^v) 00:33, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

The only move mew can't learn?
Draco Meteor in Diamond and Pearl? This move applies only to dragon types, which mew is clearly not. Can he learn it?
 * Mew can only learn moves from tutors, natural leveling up, and T/HMs. Draco Meteor, AFAIK, doesn't fit any of the three categories, but he could possibly learn it (illegitimately). -Jeske (v^_^v) 00:18, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * draco meteor is move tutor move in diamond and pearl.
 * Then he can learn it, afaik. -Jeske ( v^_^v ) 15:59, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Mew isnt a fire type either, yet he can learn ALL the fire TMs. I'm pretty sure he can learn it. (Animedude 05:52, 23 June 2007 (UTC))

he cant learn it. the move tutor is to the right of the town with cynthias grandma. the move tutor will only teach draco meteor to dragon types. i have tried it with mew, and it says NOT ABLE 68.112.254.106 22:39, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Mew glitch Walkthrough
Should such a detailed description really be in there? Wikipedia isn't really the place for such a guide 80.126.32.62 00:26, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Article
I have re-article-ized Mew. No longer a simple redirect. Thanks Wikipedia for letting me! Tezkag72 (talk) 13:33, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Mew's appearance in Pokemon Snap...
Can this count for the Video Game Bosses category?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 01:06, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * ✅ - added the category. Mew was by far the hardest creature to photograph in Pokemon Snap when I played it nearly a decade ago, so it is effectively the boss of the game. In addition, Mew appears in the last level of the game (Rainbow Cloud), where most video game bosses are normally found. Cheers. Trance addict - Armin van Buuren - Oceanlab 19:23, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Better image needed for Mew on the ANA Boeing 747-400
Is there a better image of the back of the Pokemon-themed Boeing 747-400 showing Mew? You could barely see it between the wing flaps. Cheers. Trance addict - Armin van Buuren - Oceanlab 19:30, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * There's this from their website. Though to be honest I'm not sure if an image of it on the plane is really needed or not compared to just a mention.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 06:24, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Also, to me anyway, the Pokémon you're referring to on the plane looks a more like Mewtwo to me... Jackacon (talk) 16:20, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually he is on the plane as well.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 00:22, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Mew and Mewtwo appear side by side on the plane. Mew is located towards the front and Mewtwo is near the back end of the plane. While you can see Mewtwo somewhat well in that picture (legs, purple tail, etc), you could barely see the pink Mew between the wingflaps. Unless there is a better picture of it (Mew) on the plane, I don't think an image is needed. Cheers. Trance addict - Armin van Buuren - Oceanlab 02:54, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If this discussion is still open, I'd advocate a removal of the image. Mew is almost invisible, and there's no point in having an image of something if it can't be seen. Remove it and replace it with an image of Mew from the anime to highlight the difference in colouration mentioned in the article. MelicansMatkin (talk) 02:20, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Categories
The removal seems in all regards to be a very bad move: the character is not "omnipotent", nor do the sources say it has access to all Pokemon abilities (in fact it's more a case where it has access to all TM abilities). The categories listed are the ones demonstrated pretty blatantly in the anime material for the character.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 19:56, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * TM? - jc37 20:20, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The in-game Technical Machines. Mew has the ability to *learn* all abilities, but he doesn't and cannot *get* them all naturally. In fact without that in the game itself Mew only gains 5 or 6 abilities without TM usage. So you can't call it omnipotent.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 20:59, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Unless I'm missing something, sounds potentially omnipotent, then. - jc37 21:07, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm with Jc37. It's pointless to put magic-users, demons, deities, and other beings with access to any superpower in these types of categories. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:46, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I've been following this recent development of removing "powers and abilities" categories from "omnipotent" and "divine" characters, and it just doesn't sit 100% right with me.

Take characters like Superman and Captain Marvel. Those guys are as close to gods as you can get, but I don't seem any of us removing them from Category:DC Comics characters with superhuman strength precisely because the two are widely recognized for their superhuman strength.

Or take Yuna, from Final Fantasy X. Much like every other character in the game, she has the potential to learn every single ability there is (much like Mew), but no one would dare call her "omnipotent" or "divine". Furthermore, her talents as a "singer" and status as a "magical girl" are derived from the same in-game mechanics that allow the player to customize her beyond belief (rendering her "omnipotent", much like Mew).

In fact, if there are no sources calling Mew (or Yuna) "omnipotent", would us saying so fall into WP:OR? ...I don't know. If there are omnipotent characters, wouldn't a Category:Fictional omnipotent characters make sense? ...I don't know. Wouldn't this problem be solved if we just got rid of most power and abilities categories and turn them into lists? I don't know... I just don't know.--Nohansen (talk) 00:45, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * (Welcome to the club : )
 * Incidentally, this (among other reasons) was why most of such cats were listified awhile back. - jc37 02:04, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Tell you what: Since Mew can learn (without the use of TMs) the ability to transform, I'm restoring Category:Fictional shapeshifters. Since the only way (I remember) he can turn invisible or teleport is through the random "Metronome" or with TMs, I'm leaving them out. Also, since Mew wasn't introduced in the anime, I'm removing Category:Pokémon anime characters (feel free to disagree).


 * I'm pretty certain that saying "Mew is omnipotent, therefore categorizing every single power and ability is WP:OCAT" falls into original research, so I'm not so certain that is a valid reason for removing the categories. I think this is a nice comprise, no?--Nohansen (talk) 03:43, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * But the only reason why it can shapeshift is because it has Ditto's DNA. I say re-remove it from here. Not sure about Category:Pokémon anime characters though. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 04:25, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * And yet it shapeshifts. Spider-Man has accelerated healing, precognition and superhuman speed and strength all thanks to the bite of a radioactive spider. X-23 has accelerated healing because she is a clone of Wolverine. And Superman is "Superman" thanks to the yellow sun. Most superpowers come from somewhere, they're not all innate.--Nohansen (talk) 07:41, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * While I disagree somewhat with the claim of WP:OR (either the character has the potential to have every ability, or not), based on my current understanding of the character and its abilities, User:Nohansen's suggested compromise of only having the shapeshifter ability category is fine with me, I suppose. - jc37 12:49, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't understand. If shapeshifting can apply here since it's under Mew's own power, why shouldn't teleportation and invisibility? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:08, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't entirely agree, but it's better than the previous situation, and since I'm relying on their good faith in this, I'll accept that the character's ability appears to be only being able to shapechange, and all the other abilities are where the potential for "omnipotency" comes in. - jc37 23:31, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * You know that doesn't make sense right? In all actuality, without a source, we aren't supposed to decide what counts as "omnipotency" and what doesn't. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:51, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm presuming good faith, at the moment that such sourcing exists, but that it just hasn't happened yet. Just as we do for most articles/stubs/lists and the like.
 * As for omnipotency: omnipotent. Though I'll note that I'm just using that word as short hand for: For an article of a character which can potentially perform any superhuman/paranormal/supernatural ability, it is overcategorisation to include such an article in each individual category. - jc37 01:14, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That's not good faith, that's a leap in logic with a dash of OR....anyway some food for thought. While Teleport is an in-game ability, it's in the same boat as shapeshifting: it's an ability that's clearly presented as innate to it in both the games and anime material and not teachable (at least not in R/G/B/Y/Gold/Silver that I know of). Invisibility is shown in the anime only: such an ability isn't available in game. Interestingly enough the games have made it clear Mew isn't a "god" by setting up one of their own in Diamond/Pearl.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 01:29, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * (de-dent) - Yes, it's good faith. And if we didn't presume good faith of our contributors and their contributions, this article (for example) would find itself quite gutted. There is quite a bit here that is unsourced.
 * Now I was willing to accept the compromise in good faith, however if you wish to go down the road of sourcing, fine. Let's see some sources which actually state what you all have been suggesting. The onus for sourcing isn't on me in removal, it's on you for retaining.
 * I haven't been pushing hard on that in this discussion, because (as I said) I prefer to presume good faith, and believe that "eventually" (see Eventualism) such sources will be found and added.
 * So you may wish to select your accusations a bit more carefully.
 * So as for the rest: I don't care.
 * At this point, I suppose the proper response is probably for me to remove all unsourced categories, and suggest that you all please provide sources before re-adding.
 * But as I said, I'd prefer to presume good faith. And I'd rather ask for the sources now, before having to remove all unsourced material from the article. - jc37 20:22, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ego much? I mean, you're an admin and that's fine and dandy, but there's no need for the attitude because someone disagrees what you're doing isn't covered under "good faith". Additionally if you don't really care about the discussion, then you shouldn't involve yourself, no?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:57, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Nothing to do with ego or being an admin. I was (and am) responding to your incessant attacks. Perhaps you should consider discussing the content and not the contributor (per Wikipedia policy/guidelines).
 * Anyway, I've responded above. Any sources forthcoming? - jc37 22:42, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not even trying to attack you. Christ. Anyway, best source would be to discuss the Mewtwo Strikes Back anime to cover teleportation and invisisility, The Secret of Mew for Transforming (and the in-game ability). Not all that easy though given the context to cite.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 23:01, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Kung Fu Man: Are you sure Mew can teleport? I checked GameFAQs and Mew's listed abilities are Pound, Transform, Mega Punch, Metronome and Psychic. The only Pokemon I remember that can teleport are Abra, Kadabra and Alakazam.--Nohansen (talk) 21:33, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Whoops, it was Abra I was thinking about. Teleport is anime only (Mewtwo Strikes Back).--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:57, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Kung Fu Man, what do you think of what I said earlier: Since Mew can learn (without the use of TMs) the ability to transform, restore only Category:Fictional shapeshifters. Like Sesshomaru pointed out, Mew was introduced in the video game and the categories should reflect that (meaning: leave out the categories for invisibility or teleportation because it can't do in-game, only the anime).--Nohansen (talk) 23:15, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * IIRC, Mew can learn teleport in the games by use of a TM. Does that count? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:17, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I try not not (count it, that is). The reason is this: most RPGs characters are a blank slate and can learn anything (look to the Yuna example I gave earlier). Characters can have superhuman strength and speed, manipulate the elements, wield any weapon, etc. all thanks to in-game mechanics and the player's ambition. Just imagine an article on Ramza Beoulve if we were to take into account the possibility that the character reaches lv. 99 and masters every Job. Now that would be WP:OCAT!
 * No, I think it's better to consider what the character can do naturally, what it is recognized for. And since Mew's listed abilities are "Pound", "Transform", "Mega Punch", "Metronome" and "Psychic", I think only Category:Fictional shapeshifters should apply.--Nohansen (talk) 23:33, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * You got me convinced. I support the re-inclusion of Category:Fictional shapeshifters. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:38, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Works for me as well. Well presented Nohansen.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 23:58, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Now, if only we could reach an agreement over at Talk:Ganon...--Nohansen (talk) 00:15, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * What he does in the anime is notable, and shouldn't be excluded on the faulty basis that the anime is less important. - A Link to the Past (talk) 21:08, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Doubts about the future of this as an article
Starting to have some qualms, namely that I think for a subject we may have exhausted all the material that can be for notability and importance. The subject is just too...light?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 16:22, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, we still have what we have (meaning that someone would have to ignore all the sources we already have to argue that it's not notable.) Tez kag 72 22:07, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * But is there really enough for a full, encyclopedic subject? Even if the anime and manga appearances were handled, the critical reception does not seem to balance it out at all...--Kung Fu Man (talk) 22:25, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You're right. Heck, I could see this merged with Mewtwo. They're similar enough, but then there's the issue of agreeing on a page title ... Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:48, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, this article is longer and better sourced than many articles. Useight (talk) 23:55, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Not exactly. Bulbasaur, Pikachu, and Jigglypuff are definitely on a better level. Maybe merging the two doesn't sound like such a harebrained scheme afterall. C'mon, what do you guys think? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:10, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * By "many articles" I wasn't speaking only of Pokémon-related articles. Useight (talk) 00:11, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * There are undoubtedly many articles at start- and stub-class that are of much lower calibre than this one. However, it is nonetheless a mess. In other media, for example; what the heck is this? The only other media it talks about is the anime, and that really should not be listed under Cultural Impact.  Typically, "In other media" refers to something outside of the subject's universe. The merchandising section could easily be merged into the last line of the "In Video games" section, and "Critical Reception" has only a very brief statememnt regarding a study. It really needs to be expanded beyond that. "Cultural Impact", the section which should be dealing wih out-of-universe information is just a travesty right now. MelicansMatkin (talk) 00:25, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I also wonder why "in the anime" is a subsection of "cultural impact." It didn't used to be like that. I think I changed that once, but Kung Fu Man reverted it. Tez kag 72 02:06, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I have now moved "In other media" from "Cultural impact" to it's own section beneath "In the video games", and renamed it "In the anime" since, well, that's what the whole section is about. I've also renamed "Critical Reception" to "Studies" since all it details is one study. The whole "Cultural Impact" part needs a major revamping and expansion. I'm even hesitant to keep "Merchandising" there as a subsection. MelicansMatkin (talk) 02:18, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Reference #8
Could someone fix it? I wasn't able to figure out the problem with the template. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:54, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks like it might be something wrong with the Cite template itself. Changed it to Cite video which seems to work, though some info needs to be added for it.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 04:25, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, here's the tag:


 * I'm unsure what to fill in the parameters, and would prefer not to assume which info goes where since there's a possibility of me screwing it up. Do you know the rest? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:00, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Just did a copy&paste from one of Mewtwo's refs, should solve the problem.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 05:17, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you Kung Fu Man for looking into this ;) Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:28, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Who's Pokémon franchise?
"Mew (ミュウ) is one of the fictional species of Pokémon creatures from Nintendo's multi-billion-dollar Pokémon media franchise..."
 * Someone changed it to say "Nintendo's and Game Freak's multi-billion-dollar...". This isn't appropriate because much of the Pokémon franchise is outside of Game Freak's scope. If it was referring specifically to the main games then "Nintendo's, Creatures', and Game Freak's" might be appropriate, but the anime, Trading Card Game, toys, most of the video games, etc. are not directly associated with Game Freak. -sesuPRIME talk • contribs 23:43, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * For the record, that edit was here. Useight (talk) 00:13, 22 May 2009 (UTC)