Talk:Mexican beaded lizard

Moving title
I don't think the page should have been moved or renamed. Changing lizard to lowercase in the text is one thing, but I do not think the title should have been changed. Will the same happen to every other reptile/amphibian page like Cane Toad?--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 18:18, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Old talk
If it's found in Mexico and South America it must be found in Central America too. Could someone check on the facts here? --  Barfooz  (talk)  03:46, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * It is not found in South America; Guatemala is in Central America--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 18:20, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

venomous lizards
has not the kimodo dragon been found to contain venom and not just from bacteria in it's saliva? Bloodkith (talk) 02:28, 2 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Several types of lizards have been found to be venomous . Perhaps someone with more knowledge can update the article(s). 67.121.232.218 (talk) 07:11, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree with the concerns above. The article currently states "Beaded lizards...are the only lizards known to have evolved an overt venom delivery system." However, the Category: Venomous lizards lists 4 species one of which is the Komodo dragon for which I thought the evidence was irrefutable.__DrChrissy (talk) 14:38, 17 July 2013 (UTC)


 * There is no proof that monitors have venom, it is still wild speculation.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 14:35, 18 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Hmmmm - Wild speculation? Perhaps you would care to comment on and .  The original research can be read at . __DrChrissy (talk) 16:30, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah I've read it. They found a gland and they found some proteins that are found in venom and perhaps they had a common venomous ancestor. Depending on what day of the week you ask, they are venomous or venomous only in an academic sense. That is, if it gets headlines "it's venomous", If it is scientists, snake keepers, hobbyists or politicians, then its "not an effective system and from an evolutionary perspective".--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 16:56, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. Is the argument then that the function of the apparatus remains to be demonstrated? Yes, they have venom glands, yes they produce venom, but it has yet to be demonstrated that Komodos kill by envenomation?__DrChrissy (talk) 17:40, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * That depends as there are several arguments made across the board. One is that "they have no means to envenomate", another is "presence of proteins found in venom do not make it venom", then there are others that claim "there is no evidence that it is a venom gland", etc.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 17:45, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks again. In the interests of getting a balanced approach to this, could you provide some pointers to sources of these criticisms.__DrChrissy (talk) 17:55, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * See the sources on Schwenk in the Komodo article. Dr Ken Kardong has delivered numerous lectures on the subject too. Here is one which speaks to the paper you cited: --Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 18:05, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I found the comments by Schwenk to be rather dismissive but without giving a basis for this. However, I put this down to rather selective reporting by the reporter.  I was rather hoping to get original articles showing it is NOT a venom system.  The .pdf you kindly included was published in the same year as the Fry et al. (2009) paper and so could not directly address these findings of Fry, however, it does make the point that biological signficance may be overlooked by some researchers.  I'll look at the Komodo article again and edit accordingly.  Thanks for your help__DrChrissy (talk) 21:11, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * If you read through it, you'll find it speaks directly to that research and that paper is cited throughout.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 21:13, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The paper I am referring to is Fry BG, Wroe S, Teeuwisse W, et al. (2009) A central role for venom in predation by Varanus komodoensis (Komodo Dragon) and the extinct giant Varanus (Megalania) priscus. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. U.S.A. 106: 8969–74 doi=10.1073/pnas.0810883106.  As far as I can see, the Weinstein et al. paper does not cite the Fry et al. (2009) paper or list it in the references.__DrChrissy (talk) 21:39, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, gotcha. I thought you meant the one that appeared in Nature and the earlier work. My mistake.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 23:33, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Conservation Status
The article says that less than 200 live in the wile, but still the conservation says its 'Least Concern', I think this needs correction.Bsathya4 (talk) 10:45, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * IUCN still has the species as "Least Concern" and there are many beaded lizards in captivity and in the wild. The part that you are having trouble comprehending pertains to the subspecies in Guatemala, which has a diminishing population.-There is nothing to correct-Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 14:33, 18 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Honestly all things considering we should have a separate article for the Mexican Bearded Lizard and a General Bearded Lizard article. Or delete the link to the Mexican Bearded page which simply redirects to this one.

Orphaned references in Beaded lizard
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Beaded lizard's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "McD99": From Mamushi: McDiarmid RW, Campbell JA, Touré T. 1999. Snake Species of the World: A Taxonomic and Geographic Reference, Volume 1. Washington, District of Columbia: Herpetologists' League. 511 pp. ISBN 1-893777-00-6 (series). ISBN 1-893777-01-4 (volume). From Snake: McDiarmid RW, Campbell JA, Touré T. 1999. Snake Species of the World: A Taxonomic and Geographic Reference, vol. 1. Herpetologists' League. 511 pp. ISBN 1-893777-00-6 (series). ISBN 1-893777-01-4 (volume). 

Reference named "ITIS": From Snake:  From Mamushi:  From Black tree monitor:  From Rock monitor:  From Emerald tree monitor: </li> <li>From Dumeril's monitor: </li> <li>From Mangrove monitor: </li> <li>From Arend Friedrich August Wiegmann: </li> <li>From Gila monster: </li> <li>From Short-tailed monitor: </li> </ul>

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 15:12, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Contradiction
Towards the top of the article, the beaded lizard is said to be threatened to extinction with just ~200 left in the wild (and is protected as a result), and yet in the information table to the right, it's stated as "least concern." So which is it? 87.112.230.175 (talk) 04:50, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

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