Talk:Mia Kang

Edit request
This is Mia Kang, and there are errors on this page that I would love to correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:fb1:184:14e5:894c:5c44:57b4:38b9 (talk • contribs) 08:44, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * first of all I am not represented by the agencies listed on this page, I am represented by IMG Models (worldwide). The information on this page is outdated. This can be verified from the IMG website.
 * my masters degree is in finance and financial law (not just finance as stated in the first paragraph)
 * when I was a child I initially lost weight only by developing anorexia (it is listed here as fasting), laxatives and purging came later from 17 onwards. (this can be verified in my memoire KNOCKOUT published by Abrams 10/20/20)
 * I have never been on a runway in Paris, only Milan. This is a journalistic error.
 * the degree I hold from Bristol university is only in Philosophy (I enrolled in Philosophy and Economics - can also be verified in my memoire)
 * I was never Rookie of the Year for sports illustrated swimsuit (this is an error in journalism, and can be verified by googling the rookie of the year winner (I believe it is Bianca Balti))
 * I would like to remove the part about sports illustrated promising to film my fight as the project was abandoned and I no longer work with that publication - it is both irrelevant and misleading. Information is outdated.
 * I also never said I was recommended to have as much sex as possible before a fight, I said that's what people say and I believe Ronda Rousey has said. A journalistic error in quoting/tweak for sensationalism.
 * I would like to delete the mentioning of Malki Kawa and first round management as we never have, and currently do not work together (now irrelevant and misleading, outdated information)
 * I would like to remove mentioning former representation of Models 1 London as I now have new global representation (outdated, misleading and irrelevant information).
 * I would like to delete the mentioning of Killa Girl Gang as it no longer exists.
 * As an advocate for eating disorder recovery I would also like to delete any unnecessary references to my body weight because it can be extremely harmful to individuals suffering from eating disorders. (under Muay Thai and body positivity section)
 * I would like to change all references to "body positivity" to "body confidence" - there is a general sentiment within the body-acceptance community that the term "body positive" should be used for more marginalised bodies of women of colour. I no longer use this term to describe by activism and would like the wikipedia article that I am the subject of to reject that.
 * I would also like to remove the UPROXX imagery which are stills taken from a video that I filmed in 2017. I do not own the copyright to these images and would like to replace them with images that I do.
 * (I have now created a wikipedia account (recommended by wikipedia volunteer) - username Missmiakang). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Missmiakang (talk • contribs) 14:58, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I corrected the formatting for you earlier but ask that when you write a message, you sign off at the end with ~ as this appends your signature (i.e. name) so others can see who wrote it. In your statements above, you make numerous claims contrary to the existing article content and it is likely that the revised information will need to be verified for it to replace what you consider to be incorrect/erroneous. If you're able to support your statements with links or references, I am sure this would help a lot. Bungle (talk • contribs) 16:32, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for following the appropriate channels for requesting a change. Point by point:
 * first of all I am not represented by the agencies listed on this page, I am represented by IMG Models (worldwide). The information on this page is outdated. This can be verified from the IMG website.
 * ✅; was sourced to Models.com, which seems unreliable anyways. Primary sources are not great, but acceptable for information like this.
 * my masters degree is in finance and financial law (not just finance as stated in the first paragraph)
 * ✅: this was verified elsewhere in the article
 * when I was a child I initially lost weight only by developing anorexia (it is listed here as fasting), laxatives and purging came later from 17 onwards. (this can be verified in my memoire KNOCKOUT published by Abrams 10/20/20)
 * : Wikipedia's definition of reliable sources only includes published sources. It appears your memoir doesn't yet meet that definition. However, it doesn't look like it will be that way for long.
 * I have never been on a runway in Paris, only Milan. This is a journalistic error.
 * ✅: The New York Post is considered generally unreliable, so removing contentious information sourced solely there is reasonable.
 * the degree I hold from Bristol university is only in Philosophy (I enrolled in Philosophy and Economics - can also be verified in my memoire)
 * : I reworded the sentence so it doesn't imply you got a degree in both.
 * I was never Rookie of the Year for sports illustrated swimsuit (this is an error in journalism, and can be verified by googling the rookie of the year winner (I believe it is Bianca Balti))
 * ✅: the claim that was in the article was contradicted by equally reliable sources, so I made it clear that you were only a Rookie, not necessarily the Rookie of the Year.
 * I would like to remove the part about sports illustrated promising to film my fight as the project was abandoned and I no longer work with that publication - it is both irrelevant and misleading. Information is outdated.
 * ❌: the article only claims that the project was promised. If you can find a reliable source stating that it was canceled, we can add that.
 * I also never said I was recommended to have as much sex as possible before a fight, I said that's what people say and I believe Ronda Rousey has said. A journalistic error in quoting/tweak for sensationalism.
 * ✅: Page Six is considered generally unreliable, so removing contentious information sourced solely there is reasonable.
 * I would like to delete the mentioning of Malki Kawa and first round management as we never have, and currently do not work together (now irrelevant and misleading, outdated information)
 * ❌: unless I'm missing some extremely subtle nuance, this information is attributed to reliable sources, and so unless there are reliable sources that contradict your supposed hiring of him, this stays, as Wikipedia follows reliable sources.
 * I would like to remove mentioning former representation of Models 1 London as I now have new global representation (outdated, misleading and irrelevant information).
 * ❌: the article as-is doesn't imply that the representation is current, and the infobox includes the current information.
 * I would like to delete the mentioning of Killa Girl Gang as it no longer exists.
 * ❌: the article doesn't imply that it's current, and what is there is reliably sourced.
 * As an advocate for eating disorder recovery I would also like to delete any unnecessary references to my body weight because it can be extremely harmful to individuals suffering from eating disorders. (under Muay Thai and body positivity section)
 * : I'll need a bit of time to consult with other editors on how to do this in a way that's still clear.
 * I would like to change all references to "body positivity" to "body confidence" - there is a general sentiment within the body-acceptance community that the term "body positive" should be used for more marginalised bodies of women of colour. I no longer use this term to describe by activism and would like the wikipedia article that I am the subject of to reject that.
 * : I changed most of them, per the People article; I left in the reference about the retreat, since it was explicitly billed with the term "body positivity"
 * I would also like to remove the UPROXX imagery which are stills taken from a video that I filmed in 2017. I do not own the copyright to these images and would like to replace them with images that I do.
 * : Images in Wikipedia articles (with certain exceptions that don't apply here) have to be freely licensed: i.e. the copyright holder (usually the photographer) must allow anyone to use them any time for any purpose (this means that "for Wikipedia use only" is not sufficient). UPROXX holds the copyright to the video (since they filmed it) and released it freely when they put it on YouTube. If you want to include new images, we'd be happy to do so, but you have to license them. If you personally took the images, you can upload them directly; if a photographer took the images for you, you can ask them to follow the procedure at OTRS.

Vahurzpu (talk) 05:11, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the edits that have been made, and I appreciate the consideration to remove the weight references. The eating disorder/body acceptance space is a sensitive one and many people look to these numbers in an unhealthy way (as I once did). I have just one comment still:

-regarding the line saying I halved my weight "in a couple months using fasting, purging and laxatives", after looking at the sources I would like to correct the sentence structure and make a simple clarification that determines truth from falsity here. In my years suffering from eating disorders, I lost weight by fasting, purging and laxatives (as the articles state). In the initial weight loss period at age 13 that this sentence in this article is referring to, it was only by fasting.

11:33, 20 October 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:FB1:185:2CD9:B9CE:37AD:DF5B:C259 (talk)
 * ✅ There were conflicting sources on that - the ESPN article said so straight out, "she halved her weight through voluntary starvation, purging and using laxatives. By her early teens, the pounds were gone", but the others were less clear. Found a source, Women's Health that just said it was stopping eating, and will go with that.--GRuban (talk) 20:54, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

"as much sex as possible before a fight"
I saw that User:Vahurzpu had removed this line commenting that the one reference from the New York Post was insufficient, so I looked around, and found quite a few other sources saying the same thing. I restored it, with 7 total references (those weren't all the ones I found, either), and only now see that this was due to your request here. This does change things a bit; we don't write our articles based entirely on the subject's wishes but we do try to take them into account. So can you please clarify what you meant here by "I also never said I was recommended to have as much sex as possible before a fight, I said that's what people say"? In other words, I'd like to write what's actually true. We do realize that journalists sometimes get things wrong; however if you did say something of the sort, I'd greatly prefer to rephrase it to reflect what you actually said, or intended, or believe, or do, rather than just delete it entirely. Because, a rather large number of sources on three continents made a big deal of this statement, several writing articles specifically dedicated to it, and we do try to reflect what the sources say when possible. --GRuban (talk) 18:35, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Other than that line, I'd like to thank User:Vahurzpu, who did a very good, nuanced, and thorough job of answering your edit request. Especially the images - I like images for articles, and if you can release better images, we will certainly consider replacing some or all of these, but they do need to be released for everyone to freely reuse and modify, like the rest of the Wikipedia. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:OTRS explains how you can do that. --GRuban (talk) 18:46, 29 January 2021 (UTC)