Talk:Miami-Dade County, Florida/Archive 1

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Urban Developement Boundary
I was wanted to develop an article that discussing Miami-Dade County's reconsideration of moving the UDB farther west. I have never created an article, and do not know where to start. Could someone point me in the right direction? Thanks alot. Ameinias 02:19, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Miami street grid
I've moved the following edit here because it is overly technical and unsourced. --  Dalbury ( Talk )  17:48, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The grid loosely follows a Cartesian coordinate system. There are four quadrants" North East, North West, South West, South East. The "origin" of the grid is the intersection of Flagler Street (x = 0) and Miami Avenue (y = 0); therefore this would be plotted as (0,0) on a graph. Any street south of Flagler is "negative"; once you past Flagler going south, the street numbers increase because you are increasing your distance from the "origin". An avenue west of Miami Avenue is also considered "negative", and increase in value the farther one is from the "origin".
 * All north-south streets have an "avenue" or "road" affixed to its numerical value. All avenues that end with the number "7" are major avenues. One mile separates 10 avenue blocks. For example, a there are three miles distance between 7th Avenue and 37th Avenue. Most major avenues other than those that end with a "7", end with "2". Avenues such as 42nd Avenue, represents a half mile marker between 37th Avenue and 47th Avenue.
 * All roads running east-west are called "Streets" of "Drives". In the second table, streets do not seem to follow a pattern, but most do. In the southern quadrants of the county, the major streets run by 16's, which is visible in the streets from South 88th Street (North Kendall Drive) to South 24th Street (Coral Way). Going by 16's we can see the major streets: 24, 40, 56, 72, 88. Even streets that are listed here follow the same rule, and are major streets. South 168th Street is also a major street because 152 + 16 is 168. Similar to avenues, the distance between every 16 street blocks is one mile. This creates a larger grid of one-mile-by-one-mile major grid of major streets and avenues, along with a smaller grid for roads in between. This "rule of 16" is not as applicable to streets north of Flagler, and is not followed as strictly as the "rule of 7" for the avenues.

Does this mean that the above should not be included in the article because it is too technical? I think that the nature of the grid accompanies the table of the major street names. Ameinias 19:21, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * All the stuff about Cartesian grids is unnecessary. It's especially confusing to talk about "negative" streets. I also think that the 'rule of 7' and the 'rule of 16' are too esoteric for this article. It is enough to say that the street grid is based on Miami Avenue and Flagler Street, that numbered 'avenues', 'courts' and 'places' run north-south, and numbered 'streets', 'terraces' and 'ways' run east-west, and that addresses north of Flagler Street and east of Miami Avenue are 'Northeast', north of Flagler Street and West of Miami Avenue are 'Northwest', south of flagler Street and east of Miami Avenue are 'Southeast', and south of Flagler Street and west of Miami Avenue are 'Southwest'. There is the one section of Miami where the street grid is turned 45°, and avenues run northeast to southwest, while roads run northwest to southeast. Other than that, 'road' and 'drive' are not used for numbered streets. And, of course, Miami Beach, Hialeah and Homestead all have their own numbered street grid systems. And this all has to be sourced. The site at covers part of it, but I can't find a good source, other than a map, to document the use of 'court', 'place', 'terrace', and 'way' in the number grid system, although I do remember reading that many years ago, and know that is how streets are named in Miami. --  Dalbury ( Talk )  20:19, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I think a separate article for South Florida road numbering system would be a valuable article.   &#08492;  astique  &#09660;  par &#08467; er  &#09829;  voir  &#09809;  20:31, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll have to find a source as well, although mine regarding "streets", "terraces", etc. is for Broward County. BTW, Dalbury, Roads and Drives are, in fact, used for offshoots of Streets and/or Avenues, at least here in Broward County.  It doesn't preclude their usage with non-numbered streets.  I'm not sure if that system is the same as in Miami-Dade.    &#08492;   20:40, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The default numbered street grid systems in south Florida seems to be on the same basis as Miami's (i.e., NW, NE, SE, SW), although there are exceptions (Miami Beach and Hialeah, that I know of). There are a number of different street grids in Palm Beach County, including one for the unincorporated part of of the eastern half of the county.

'Road' and 'drive' are used for non-numbered names of streets in Miami that are supplemental to the numbered street system, so that Gratigny Drive is also N 119th Street, and LeJeune Road is also W 42nd Ave. But there is no particular pattern for which is used, as Bird Road is S 40th Street, and Red Road is W 57th Ave, so that Red Road and Bird Road intersect (there are several businesses near the intersection with 'Red Bird' in their names). --  Dalbury ( Talk )  21:48, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Right, I see. Something like Boulevard (E-W) and Road (N-S) in Broward County, except that sometimes--like Ocean Boulevard (N-S) or McNab Road (E-W) things are a bit different.    &#08492;  astique  &#09660;  par &#08467; er  &#09829;  voir  &#09809;  20:00, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Demographics
According to the cenus website (the map of Florida counties by percentages of those that are white, non-hispanic) [], Miami-Dade County is 20% Non-Hispanic white, not 11%. Could somebody verify which figure is more accurate? 71.161.247.147 16:01, 22 December 2006 (UTC)Mike
 * The table at the Census Bureau site does not break down Hispanic/Latino by race. The percentage for Non-Hispanic whites given in the article appears to have been derived by subtracting *all* Hispanics for the number of whites, although it is too low even for that (69.70% - 55.32% = 14.38%, not 13.67%). I've moved the offending statment here: "Non-Hispanic whites make up 13.67% of the population." We need to find a reliable source that actually states that percentage. -- Donald Albury 02:54, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Removed from Category: Florida counties?
Is there a reason why this article was removed? Now all the counties in Florida except Miami-Dade are in the category. Should they be removed as well? Was this done in error? -   Marc Averette 13:22, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Nevermind - I see the new cat charter counties  -     Marc Averette 19:05, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

GA failed
Needs much more work for GA - references, considerable expansion, and the "Cities, towns, villages, unincorporated communities, and public high schools" section needs some serious work, starting with splitting it up into several sections. - Aerobird Target locked - Fox One! 02:27, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Cutler Ridge
The Cutler Ridge area is now a city of its own, right? --Joel M. 03:48, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC)

I am fairly sure that Cutler Ridge is not its own city. It is still simply an unincorporated area like Kendall. --Ameinias

It is an incorporated city now. It was incorporated on January of this year. --Moreau36 0553; 15 November 2005 (UTC)
 * It's name was also changed to Cutler Bay, Florida last year.  -   Marc Averette 16:14, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up for me guys. --Joel M. 03:12, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

2007 government form change?
I've read that Miami-Dade had a change in its form of government in January 2007. Does this page reflect that change? There is talk about a change in 1992, but the more recent one appears to have stirred up quite a lot of press, so it should be addressed (by someone who knows what happened!)Geoffwithers 17:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

History
The history section needs work. I found a PDF from the official Miami-Dade site claiming that the County was was created January 18, 1836. Also, it has wonderful information on the county. .Skillz187 18:42, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Square Miles
I think the square miles figure is way off.... Somebody ought to check that out. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.156.2.190 (talk) 02:13, 21 April 2007 (UTC).

Condensing lists
29-Sep-2007: Some lists in the "Miami-Dade" article are displayed too long on the page. Also, the article failed the GA-review in January 2007 due to excessive information bundled together as "Cities...public schools". A simple way to condense an old (unchanging) list is to string several names together on each line, splitting lines semi-alphabetically, such as putting "C" entries on a line, but also combining "J/K" on one line. Names can still be spotted quickly, due to the alphabetical split. I will condense the long list of unincorporated areas into just 12 lines, grouped as a semi-alpha split. Even when new entries are later added to a list, the update merely involves splitting the lines, such as creating 2 lines of "C" entries. -Wikid77 17:29, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, I see now, that the list of unincorporated areas was already condensed into a wiki-table ( "{|...|}" ) spanning 4 columns. I have condensed the towns list (in the prior section) to similarly have 4 columns at the bottom, which removes 4 lines, and then added the note "(Lettered areas listed below)" noting the subsequent list of unincorporated areas. Using wiki-tables produced clearer lists than my plan above for using semi-alpha split lines. -Wikid77 05:38, 30 September 2007

Magnifying maps
29-Sep-2007: Large, unreadable maps are a rampant problem in Wikipedia, because many maps across the Internet are designed to be huge, like fan-folded roadmaps with tiny lettering. If possible to edit a map, increase font-size of major names to have letters with 1 pixel-thickness for each 200px of map/image width: a 600px-wide image should have lettering 3-pixels thick, or at least "2.5" pixels, with 2 solid pixels + a gray-shade pixel in the lettering. Labels that are only 2-pixels thick on a 600px-wide image become fuzzy, blurred and almost invisible when the image is reduced below 300px width. Most maps out there use the tiny, thin lettering for almost everything, so most maps are thumbnailing with only one word visible and must be edited to enlarge labels. An easy enlargement fix is to crop the map edges, trimming a map to be much less than 600px wide (before resizing), so the cropped image will cause magnified lettering. Rule of thumb: barely readable text can often be clarified by cropping a map only 20% from the left/right edges. A simple trick is to split a wide map in half, as west-side and east-side sections, to quickly double the readability in each half. (Honestly, image-display links should allow a "viewport" zoom-in focus on part of any image, but such an obvious high-tech solution ain't happening anytime soon.)

In general, maps are a hot-topic for debate, because local people don't need to see a map at all, and many articles are expanded by the local people, frustrated at a map in their way; however, newcomers thrive when maps are readable, so perhaps move larger maps near the bottom of an article, where newcomers could still find them. Otherwise, ENLARGE major labels to appear big, when thumbnailed on a tiny map, that local people can skim past. A large annotated map is better when separated as a total image-description page, with multiple paragraphs of explanatory text there, even though explaining a map in an article might, at first, seem a logical way to illustrate major places found on the map. In reality, large maps are rejected by many wiki editors, causing the need for articles of the form "Map of Minnesota" where the concept is obvious that maps, inside the article, will be huge, with the side comments explaining nearby map details. I cannot emphasize enough that many people detest large images in articles, dreaming back to a "wordipedia" containing only words. -Wikid77 17:29, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Great article
This is a fine Wikipedia article. I wish it won that nomination from January for Good Article. Who are the major contributors for this? Do the other users here think the article has been refined enough for another nomination? - Cyborg Ninja 02:28, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

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Demographic
User Comayagua99 keeps adding strange and odd information, such as the "census 2006" in the Demographic section. These numbers are completely off. thanks. Dwilso 16:11, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Those are the 2006 US Census estimates, what's strange and odd about that? Here's the link to the census estimates numbers. --Comayagua99 (talk) 16:33, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * yes, those template are hard to understand, I highly doubt that miami is 80% caucasian, but thanks anyway.  Dwilso  16:53, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hispanic is not a race, it's an ethnicity. As such, most Hispanics in Miami are white, it's all in the data in the link I posted. --Comayagua99 (talk) 17:04, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Bot report : Found duplicate references !
In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :) DumZiBoT (talk) 12:39, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
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 * I've removed the one pointing to Broward County. It was attached to a sentence that troubles me, as it says that 5% of the county population is of Anglo (English) ancestry and 2% is of English ancestry. -- Donald Albury 23:51, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Sport section
You are missing the Florida Panthers and the Bankatlantic Centre in the sport section —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.82.91.177 (talk) 03:26, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * That's because the BA Centre is in Broward. Digirami (talk) 10:08, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

hispanic population dropping? False!!!!
The hispanic population was 57.3% in the 2000 census following Table 5 in the following official link:

http://www.miamidade.gov/planzone/Library/Census/demographic_profile.pdf

in 2008 the hispanic population was 62.4% following the following official link:

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/12/12086.html

Therefore, the hispanic population has increased 5.1% in 8 years!!! it hasn´t dropped 3% in 6 years as the article states!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.111.233.44 (talk) 03:54, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

please, use the last link to update the demographics section, the white non-hispanic population continue dropping and is in 2008 only 17.8%. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.111.233.44 (talk) 03:58, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

page move
This move is really ridiculous. Why was the page moved to reflect a one-week publicity stunt? Should be moved back. Spanneraol (talk) 22:35, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Miami-Dade County
"Miami-Dade County" is the legal name and cannot be changed. Wikipedia provides true legal information, not publicity stunts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.64.163.74 (talk) 04:23, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

botched page move
This article was moved from Miami-Dade County to Miami-Wade County, and then a new Miami-Dade County article was created, missing all history prior to the move. I have protected the new version. It needs to be deleted and this article moved back to the proper name. -- Donald Albury 10:50, 2 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I moved the history-less version to Miami-Dade County, Florida (bad) so that the legitimate edit made to it can be reviewed and possibly incorporated into the article, and moved Miami-Wade County back to the correct name to retain the page history. The Miami-Dade County, Florida (bad) article needs to be deleted after any legitimate edits made to it have been incorporated in this article. -- Donald Albury 11:28, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Any updates on this? The (bad) article still exists 2 months later. &mdash; Train2104 (talk • contribs • count) 20:59, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Name change
I think a link about why the county changed its name, and perhaps the voting percentage/total, would be good. OverMyHead 19:23, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm also curious as to why the county got its name changed. If I'm not mistaken, it had something to do with tourism. I could be wrong; I was young when they changed the name, so I'm not really sure, but that should definitely be included in the article. Skillz187 02:37, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Check out what I found, "On November 13, 1997 voters changed the name of the county from Dade to Miami-Dade to acknowledge the international name recognition of Miami." I guess that settles the mystery. Skillz187

the name was officially changed to miami-wade county in 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.118.220.233 (talk) 23:27, 4 July 2010 (UTC)


 * The name change was partly political. Note that Commission Chairman Alex Penelas had his title changed to "Mayor", so "Mayor of Miami-Dade" was a way for him to present himself, dishonestly, as the "mayor" of Miami, which he was not. Ryoung 122 21:58, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Flooding
Having just read an article in a recent Rolling Stone about Miami being doomed by sealevel rises, I came here seeking more information about the level above sealevel. The one line under geography should be fleshed out. I would also appreciate a discussion about the hurrican/flooding danger in different areas. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 09:58, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

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Twinning with Tenerife
The Miami-Dade is twinned with the island of Tenerife, not San Cristóbal de La Laguna and Santa Cruz de Tenerife (these are two cities in Tenerife), but is twinned with the whole island, as noted by the reference: La ocupación para el primer mes del vuelo Tenerife-Miami de Air Europa alcanza ya el 70 por ciento.--88.10.73.144 (talk) 22:01, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

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Two-tier Municipal Government is Standard, not "unique"

 * "Miami-Dade County has operated under a unique metropolitan system of government, a "two-tier federation," since 1957. "
 * "Unlike a consolidated city-county, where the city and county governments merge into a single entity, these two entities remain separate. Instead there are two "tiers", or levels, of government: city and county."

How is this unique compared to how many US municipalities operate? The linked article, Consolidated city-county, includes a short list of all the consolidated counties. In other words, tiered municipal governments are more common than consolidated. 162.205.5.130 (talk) 19:05, 22 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Made an account just to say this. This is the set-up most counties in the US (and probably the world). Cal bear77 (talk) 01:33, 10 September 2017 (UTC)


 * This appears to be something different than the relationship that most counties and municipalities have, at least from reading Government of Miami-Dade County. However, that article is entirely unsourced, so perhaps it's claims of a unique federation were misconstrued by its primary author. - BilCat (talk) 00:37, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Government of Miami-Dade County
The article seems redundant for the main Miami-Dade County article or the material present doesn't warrant a separate article. I see the "Government of xxx'' for countries more than counties. – The Grid  ( talk )  19:34, 16 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Comments - Neither the Government of Miami-Dade County article nor the Law and government section of this article cite any sources. So in essence there is nothing to merge, and this article should just be made a redirect, with efforts forced on sourcing the content in the Miami-Dade County article. Then if the Law and government section ends up growing much larger than it is right now, it could be split back out again, as the county article is fairly large already. - BilCat (talk) 20:32, 16 October 2018 (UTC)


 * I have updated and provided sources for a lot of information on Government of Miami-Dade County. I do not believe that it should be merged with this page. There is too much information and it's not really necessary.--SeminoleNation (talk) 00:42, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Population pie-charts
The edit-war over including the population pie-charts needs to stop. Please discuss here rather than edit-warring. - Donald Albury 13:08, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Ask Seminole Nation. He removed content with no explanation other than "updated info" which clearly it was not since he removed the information. I asked him to take it to the talk page and instead of that, he reverts again without comment. I thought I was following protocolPatapsco913 (talk) 13:34, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

@Seminole The article only refers to the 2010 census numbers. The pie charts provide the latest American Community Survey numbers provided by the Census which are used on countless other wiki articles in the demographics section. It is a little funny that you would use the ACS (see diff https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Miami-Dade_County,_Florida&diff=next&oldid=867828556) here as "updated info" but not mine which is clearly more relevant since it is directly about the county.Patapsco913 (talk) 13:48, 11 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I have no big problem with that information. I have a problem with how it was implemented into the page. Having a bunch of graphs on the page looks disorganized. I would say though that this information would be better suited on an "Demographics of Miami-Dade County" article page. I would be in support of that.--SeminoleNation (talk) 19:57, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Well this is what a talk page is for, nay? why are you just removing info and saying "update info" then. You have been editing since December 2014.Patapsco913 (talk) 23:09, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * If you have a personal problem with me then bring it to my talk page. If not, then I suggest you stop whining and get on with fixing the article not making it worse.--SeminoleNation (talk) 05:39, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Ad hominens are always appreciated. Wikipedia policy is that when people remove data they use the actual reason rather than hide behind some blanket statement like "updated info". You removed the info, I reverted, and now it is up to you to talk about it. This is standard Wikipedia policy as well as the polite way to do things. Nobody owns a page. Anyhow, so why is adding the 2017 ACS data making it worse? There is not any 2017 ACS data in the existing article so I added it (2010 is a long way in the past and things have changed markedly in the county). You even used the 2017 ACS numbers up top so you must think they are valid. So why not include the 2017 ACS numbers in the current page? Why is it not necessary?Patapsco913 (talk) 17:02, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

- I have some problems with the current formatting of the pie charts. Looking at the last version of the article that included those charts, the Racial Makeup of Hispanics chart comes before the 2017 American Community Survey section. On a wider screen, such as my Chromebook, it almost looks like the Racial Makeup of Hispanics chart is to the right of the other charts, but you can see the top of the that chart is above the section heading. On my Kindle and my mobile phone, the pie charts are arranged vertically, with the Racial Makeup of Hispanics chart above the 2017 American Community Survey section heading. You need to fix that before considering adding those charts to the article again. I also have some misgivings about the size of the charts, but that is a different issue. - Donald Albury 22:53, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Flooding in the Miami area.
The PBS series "Sinking Cities; S1 E4: Miami" talks about Miami's ever more frequent flooding episodes, including fair weather flooding. Guests talk about civic plans to combat the water. It's a dire situation for the area that will require expensive solutions. https://www.thirteen.org/programs/sinking-cities/ Thank you for your time, Wordreader (talk) 03:18, 4 December 2018 (UTC).


 * There are a lot of sources that could be used to develop such a section, just Google "Miami flooding history" (7.2 million ghits). This is not exactly a new story (I started worrying about the impact of rising sea levels on the property value of our house 20 years ago, which was a contributing factor to our moving out of the area). So, do your research, pick the best sources, keep in mind due weight, and go for it. - Donald Albury 13:07, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Most southeastern county?
The second sentence in the lead is "It is the southeasternmost county on the U.S. mainland." What does this mean? It may well be the southern-most mainland county, but it's certainly not the eastern-most (see Washington County, Maine). How does one even measure southeasternness? Loraof (talk) 17:49, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The easternmost county in Florida is Palm Beach County, while the southernmost is Monroe. If you draw a northwest-southeast axis, then the most southeastern part of Florida is Key Largo, in Monroe County, but saying that would be original research. In any case, without a reliable source supporting that factoid, I will removed it from the article. - Donald Albury 18:17, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see it said "on the U.S. mainland." That still looks like OR to me, and in any case, a rather trivial factoid, so I removed it. - Donald Albury 18:24, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Rephrase line about Biden's reduced victory?
I didn't want to make the edit myself just in case, but the line "This streak ended in 2020, where Democrat Joe Biden still won the county, but by ten points less at 53.41%." is awkwardly phrased to me. He didn't win *by* 10 points less. He got 10% less of the vote. He won *by* over 20 points less in terms of margin. If someone could think of a better way to put it, I think that would be good. AKT0001 (talk) 06:26, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Politics
The section says "[I]n 2008 and 2012, Democrat Barack Obama won 59.69% of the vote". This doesn't appear to be accurate for either year, but possibly and average of both. Either way, it's confusing and should be changed or clarified. Then it says "However, in 2020, Democrat Joe Biden only won 53.31% of the vote, winning the county by just over seven percent over Republican Donald Trump. This was attributed to a large swing of Cuban Americans and Venezuelan Americans to the Republican Party." The source cited doesn't contain a data breakdown to support this, only the county level vote percentages. Also, the Cuban vote in Miami-Dade has always been a reliable Republican bloc, so attributing the results to a large swing of Cuban Americans, aside from not being supported by a source with detailed data, is not accurate based on existing voting patterns (how can an already reliable Republican bloc "swing" to them?).

Sorry if this talk section is formatted incorrectly, this is my first WP contribution. It's also why I did not make any edits myself.

2601:58A:8280:B10:B85E:5CD8:6C40:F28F (talk) 05:05, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Regarding the requested move 30 June 2018
The request at was approved based on this statement by User:BD2412 that the article incorrectly used an emdash. I agree an emdash is not used this way. But in actuality, endash was the form used, and this should have not been changed. The move to a title using a hyphen is incorrect. I cite this section of the Manual of Style as my rationale.

As this issue of dash vs. hyphen affects more than just the title, I bring it up here for comment rather than a Requested Move. Senator2029 ❮talk❯ 20:21, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Pinging User:Marcocapelle, User:BD2412, and User:ToThAc as they were the participants of the RM in question. Curbon7 (talk) 05:55, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Why is a hyphen not inherently the correct punctuation for a split county name? BD2412  T 05:57, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

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