Talk:Miami Vice (film)

Untitled
What's next? Magnum PI the movie? Jigen III 03:24, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, yes. It's in pre-production right now and being directed by the guy that did Dodgeball. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.123.69.130 (talk • contribs)


 * --MZMcBride 14:58, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Colin and Gong Li?
I've seen off set pics of them haning out, and getting close together. Do you think they have an off set romance? -Lil Flip246 01:03, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * And how is that relevent to the movie? Oh wait, it isn't.--KrossTalk 13:41, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


 * yea, wiki doesnt need this discussed -Kennykane 05:48, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Did Colin actually perform his own dancing salsa style??? Doesn't seem likely but I don't know, Actors study dance a lot. I just noticed you never see a full shot of him "cutting up the rug"

Ignore magazine
I removed this link Article by journalist Hunter Stephenson for ignore Magazine. because it doesn't really have too much relevance to the film except for a silly parody of the casting choices. -- J.D. 01:37, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It was probably included as a form of self-promotion.

Article talk

 * Should we make the plot summary longer and more detailed?
 * Does anyone know about those crazy weapons in the movie? Like that anti-tank-sniper-gun-cannon-thing the Aryans had, or that insane uber-shotgun Rico used to open the smuggler's door and to later kill Yero with?  What were those things?

The "anti-tank-sniper-gun-cannon-thing" was a .50 caliber sniper rifle like one here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M82_%28rifle%29

Picked most of these up from another website... Tubb's guns, the crazy grenade launcher might have been an HK 69 http://www.hkpro.com/hk69.htm and his shotgun was possibly a Benelli 1014 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benelli_M4 Crocket might have used an SVI Tiki http://www.sviguns.com/catalog2001/page14.html and a Sig 552 assault rifle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sig_552 Other guns used included the M4 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_Carbine and variations on the HK G36c http://www.hkpro.com/g36c.htm

I can definitely confirm on the HK69. The assault rifle used by the character Gina Calabrese in the Pizza Delivery Scene is a G36K, the G36C is quite a bit shorter and has notable Picatinny Rails on top of the carry handle.

Although i quite liked the movie, i think the plot summary is way too long, given that there is only a rather slim story to tell. I especially doubt that a scene-by-scene summary helps in capturing any essence of the story, because nobody really wants to read that. An opinion...

-pac- 16:50, Monday August 28, 2006 (UTC).
 * Agree, the synopsis is far too long. Details like "Crocket flirts with a bartender" are not necessary to move the plot along and the overall tone does not fit with an encyclopedic entry: "We cut to...", things of that nature. I'm sure someone put a lot of time into it but it needs to be streamlined. Mcr29 09:50, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

If a few more people agree, I will begin work on compacting the synopsis to a decent length. Also, what is the consensus on cast listings? Should they be part of the article? If so, should it be first billed stars only? And where in the article should it be placed? Mcr29 18:26, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Expand synopsis
Hi, could someone who's seen the film: Thank you very much
 * expand the film synopsis
 * clarify the plot a bit more
 * add spoiers start / spoilers end

Synopsis
The synopsis on this page appears to be a violation of copyright and to be plagiarized from another website, most likely this one. The synopsis was previously removed, but was again readded. I've moved the synopsis to the talk page until this is resolved.

After a tragic security breach in the Joint Inter-Agency Task Force (JIATF), run by Agent FBI Agent Fujima (Ciarán Hinds), the FBI ask for help from the Miami authorities, who are not part of the compromised group. This assignment goes to Detectives James 'Sonny' Crockett (Colin Farrell) and Ricardo 'Rico' Tubbs (Jamie Foxx). Going undercover as offshore boat racers and outlaw smugglers Sonny Burnett and Rico Cooper, they take on the narcotrafficking network of the mysterious Archangel de Jesus Montoya-Londono (Luis Tosar) and his Cuban Chinese banker, Isabella (Gong Li).

The case lures Crockett and Tubbs into a deep and grimey underworld, where identity and fabrication become blurred. Cop and Player fuse into one—making their lives even more difficult, especially when Crockett falls for Isabella, and when Tubbs's loved one (Naomie Harris) is assaulted. José Yero (John Ortiz), second in command to Archangel de Jesus Montoya-Londono, suspects Crockett's and Tubbs's false identities and attempts to strike the hardest at them by targeting those whom they love the most.

Tubbs's wife is wounded badly after the trailer where she was kidnapped and held at exploded. Isabella gets caught in a shoot out but ultimately survives. The ending is ambiguous as Isabella and Crokett split up and Tubbs's wife is shown to be regaining her concious.

--MZMcBride 22:42, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

BMW 640 in the movie ?
I wasn't aware that BMW ever produced a 640 coupe. Is this really confirmed?

It would be a BMW 645i. The article states a BMW M6, when in fact it should be 645i.

Leoneta
In the Spanish dubbing, Alonzo's girl is named Leoneta or Leonetta. Is the article wrong or the translators changed it for some reason?

It is the same in both spanish and english dubs - what do you mean changed? -scr —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.75.41.34 (talk) 22:46, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Galician
I read in Spanish press that Luis Tosar plays a Galician trafficker. In the movie, he is a Colombian, though. However in Iguazu he is reading some Spanish-language newspaper about Caixanova.

So was the character a Galician at some point of the filmmaking?

Posting Reviews
I removed this link -- *More About the Movie and a Review By Michael T. Bannon -- because it really doesn't belong in that section. There is one set aside for critical reaction but also this review is from some minor league critic and not one of the "established" usual suspects (Ebert, Rolling Stone, New York Times, et. al). Count Ringworm 19:29, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I deleted the below review from the main text as it is hardly a "typical" review of the film. Waaaaay too much POV. Count Ringworm 20:26, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah POV is right. I love the statement, "...that statement assumes there were actually people jonesing for a Miami Vice movie in the first place, which I highly doubt." I know several Mann fans who wanted a big-screen version of the movie. In contrast, nobody asked for a big-screen version of "L.A. Takedown". We got one. It's called HEAT and it was great.TabascoMan77 03:28, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Reviews
As stated, many reviewers gave Miami Vice high marks for style, but the overall consensus was that the film had a flat, lifeless feel to it. While the television series may now be considered cliche or campy, many felt it still holds a unique character and feel due to its well crafted combination of music, imagery and the chemistry of its strong lead characters. Miami Vice the movie, according to many newpaper and Internet reviewers, lacked those elements and instead offered up instead a brooding, cynical, self-important display pandering to mean-spirited hip-hop sensibilities. The following is a typical review of Miami Vice the Movie, from About.Com: Reviewed by Rebecca Murray - Guide Rating 1 1/2 of 5 Stars

The names Crockett and Tubbs are about the only things that tie Miami Vice the movie to Miami Vice the television series. Very little action actually takes place in Miami, the general overall tone of the movie is completely different from the series, and the buddy chemistry that worked so well between TV stars Don Johnson and Philip Michael Thomas is totally missing. Anyone expecting a big screen version of the ‘80s TV series will be deeply disappointed. However that statement assumes there were actually people jonesing for a Miami Vice movie in the first place, which I highly doubt.

Miami Vice opens with Tubbs (Oscar-winner Jamie Foxx) and Crockett (Colin Farrell) trying to bring down some ultra-bad guy doing business at a wild Miami nightclub. When an informant they’ve worked with for years calls and asks they take care of his family, Tubbs and Crockett desert their current assignment in an effort to find out what’s got their informant so freaked out. The two stumble onto an ongoing operation involving multiple police agencies and, after a lame explanation as to why, are chosen to take the lead in busting a drug lord who’s been transporting boat loads of drugs into South Florida. Miami Vice the movie takes itself way too seriously and is dialogue-driven when action would speak louder than words. Character development is one thing, but Miami Vice resorts to having the characters explain their motivations and what’s going to happen next, instead of just visually showing us what’s going on. Mann’s dark and gritty style and camera movements do work well for the most part, yet Mann wanders away from his signature approach to choreographing scenes when the film could benefit the most from his unique style.

The plot’s difficult to follow as characters pass in and out of the film without their allegiances ever having been firmly established. Complicating matters is dialogue that’s at times impossible to understand. Mann did a great job of selecting top-notch actors in supporting roles, however due to heavy accents their lines are sometimes incomprehensible. There are instances when it was so hard to make out what was being said that I had to make up my own exchanges, some of which had to have been better than the lines actually being delivered in the film. Farrell and Foxx must have negotiated contracts that required their characters to be given equal time when it came to love scenes. One shower sex scene would have been fine, but with two big-name stars comes not one but two sexy shower sequences. Every romantic action of one main character required the same sort of scene featuring the other. Redundant to the point of silliness, this need to include romantic storylines also took away from the main reason most people want to see a Miami Vice movie in the first place: it’s big ticket action scenes. Those, unfortunately, are too few and far between to enliven the dreary experience of Miami Vice on the big screen.

A very forgettable effort by director Michael Mann and all involved, Miami Vice isn’t the explosive summer blockbuster it was hyped up to be. Instead, it’s a run of the mill cop movie that’s stylish but ultimately boring. GRADE: D+

Foxx difficulties?
It states that Foxx would not participate in scenes on boats or planes. Clearly there are several shots of him in planes and on boats. This needs clarification or it should be removed. Mcr29 18:20, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

DVD
What's the name of the song playing on the dvd commercials. Its got a nice intro. I wish it was Rap.74.195.3.11 18:57, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Problems with the article
They've already been mentioned but no one has done anything about them. (I havent seen the film so I can't) The plot outline is far, far too long and detailed. Check out Heat, the outline there is a good guide to the level of detail which is useful. It also seems like the review section is POV, I'm not going to say too much there but read over it and ask yourself if it's trying to convince you about the movie. A review section should state things matter-of-factly, not try to minimize certain facts and promote others. 121.44.96.217 15:25, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Alright, I've added more soundbites from negative reviews to balance out the positive. Count Ringworm 17:44, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Anyone else getting a blacklisted hyperlink error when trying to edit? I'm sure it's not a worm or spyware or anything, I think a link snuck in on someone else's edit through the filter and now whenever anyone tries to edit, the filter catches it and says no. What link is it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hamiltondaniel (talk • contribs) 21:29, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Work's fine for me. El Greco(talk) 00:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Yep, it wouldn't work for me either. A link was "blacklisted", which I removed. It was in the sentence about RZA's involvement, and the link "Associated Content". --Menzies7 (talk) 21:59, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Fixed, found a new link. El Greco(talk) 00:06, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Differences Between Director's and Theatrical Cut
"Skill sets" does not refer to the boats. It refers to the capabilities/skills of the smugglers. Similar to the way FBI Agent Pedrosa refers to Vincent as the kind of guy who has "trigger time, real skill-sets" in another Mann movie, Collateral. I'm not going to change it... mainly because i cant remember my login name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.149.231.199 (talk) 05:43, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

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 * Fixed. El Greco(talk) 18:38, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Differences between the Theatrical & Director's Cuts
I removed the large list from the article of the differneces between the theatrical/director's cuts. As it currently stands the list mentions every single difference, which isn't necessary. If someone wants to readd details to the article, the most notable occurrences should be mentioned plus any production notes/critical reception on the differences. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 06:47, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

The Director's Cut of the movie runs approximately seven minutes longer than the Theatrical Cut of the movie and contains significant changes. In the Director's Commentary, Michael Mann notes that calling it a "Director's Cut" is "something of a misnomer" and says that the "Director's Cut" was really a result of the studio prodding him to make a different movie.

The differences are as follows:
 * In the director's cut, the movie now begins with an added four-minute sequence which includes credits and a boat race along the Miami marina. This leads into the introduction of the character Neptune, a pimp. Neptune makes a deal with Switek to give him access to his women and then Switek says to meet up at The Mansion, a ritzy club in South Beach Miami. This leads into the club scene (the theatrical version's start to the movie).  Some viewers of the theatrical run claim to have seen the boat race sequence at the opening of the film.  Others claim that the "Director's Cut" DVD version more closely resembles the version they saw in the original theatrical run than the "Theatrical cut".
 * In the rated version, Farrell talks about how two "go-fast" boats running together look in darkness. He refers to them as "skill sets". In the unrated version, the "skill sets" line has been removed.
 * In the rated version, after both Crockett and Tubbs raid a warehouse for Jose Yero's load of drugs and subdue the men responsible for the shipment, one of the men asks, "Do you know whose load this is?" prompting Tubbs to smack him in the head. The criminal replies with, "what are you doin'? what are you doin'?". In the unrated version, his voice is slightly higher and he says "what are you doin'?" before asking if they know whose load of drugs it is. The criminal then tells them, "It's Jose Yero's!"
 * In the unrated version, after Crockett, Tubbs and the rest of the Vice team visit Nicholas, Nicholas is shown making a phone call to Jose Yero. Nicholas says that Sonny and Rico are "cool" and that he vouches for them. Yero says that he better be right.
 * Following the phone call to Jose Yero, Tubbs is shown in the shower. He has his arms against the wall, his face near the water. This scene has been extended, slightly, in the director's cut to show Tubbs being a bit more contemplative before Trudy comes in to join him.
 * In the Director's Cut, the scene where Crockett and Tubbs have the USB flash drive that had their identities on it passed around in South America has been slightly recut to show somebody uploading the information onto the device.
 * In the director's cut, following the scene where Crockett and Tubbs meet Yero and then go to their hotel room, the sequence where Crockett and Tubbs go with the rest of the team to wait for contact from Yero and his people has been entirely deleted. Following that, the scene where Crockett and Tubbs go back to their room and then run into Isabella and Yero's gunmen has been deleted as well. The movie simply cuts from the first hotel scene to the meet with Yero's boss.
 * In the director's cut, following the meet-up, after they get out of Montoya's car, Tubbs becomes worried about Trudy (due to Montoya's veiled threat against their families) and attempts to call her. He does this repeatedly because their cell signals have been blocked. This is spliced with the regular theatrical sequence of Crockett staring at Isabella as they drive off.
 * A little further into this, the added sequence continues as Tubbs gets the signal back and gets a hold of Trudy. She thanks Tubbs for a bouquet of flowers that have been sent to her. Tubbs gets nervous and asks her there was a note that came with the flowers. Trudy reads the note and finds out that they're from Yero's boss. Tubbs says they should meet in Miami to have breakfast.
 * In the director's cut, following this, Tubbs and Trudy meet at the diner to talk. Crockett, Zito, Switek, and Gina blend into the background, both inside and outside the diner, to provide cover. Trudy is worried that their cover has been blown and Tubbs tries to reassure her that it isn't. Trudy says she's worried for everyone, not just herself.
 * The audio for Audioslave's "The Shape of Things to Come" comes up after a small gap of silence after Manzanita's "Arranca" fades out in the Director's Cut.
 * In the director's cut, after the first love scene between Crockett and Isabella, instead of cutting directly to Crockett and Isabella having drinks at a Havana café, there's an extra scene of Isabella saying hello to her Aunt with a cup of coffee in her hands. She goes upstairs and joins Crockett who is staring at the beach below Isabella's room. Isabella talks about her Aunt and her Mom and how her mother died when she was younger.
 * Because of the above added scene, the part of the café scene where Isabella mentions her mother dying when she was young has now been deleted from the Director's Cut. Instead, Isabella simply states that she will show Crockett a photo of her Mother.
 * Following the bit in the café, Isabella is shown going upstairs after retrieving a photo of her Mom to show Crockett. The stair-climb is deleted in the Director's Cut.
 * The talk between Crockett and Isabella outside of Yero's "disco" is cut just a little bit at the end and the beginning in the Director's Cut.
 * In the Director's Cut, the scene where Isabella and Crockett exchange glances on Yero's drug boat runs just slightly longer, having been slightly re-cut.
 * In the Director's Cut, the two scenes with Tubbs receiving e-mail from Yero and going over transport rules with the Vice squad as well as the shot, at night following that scene, has been slight cut.
 * In the Director's Cut, after the drug dealers in the trailer park capture Trudy and force her to speak to Crockett and Tubbs, the main leader of the Aryan brotherhood calls Jose Yero BEFORE he calls Crockett and Tubbs instead of after.
 * There are small cuts when Tubbs visits a sleeping Trudy and when Isabella confronts Yero about the kidnapping of Trudy in the Director's Cut. Yero is seen at a different angle in the last shot before Crockett is doing a weapons check at the airport hangar.
 * The weapons and equipment check scene at the airport hangar is just slightly longer in the Director's Cut with more pauses in the dialogue between Crockett & Tubbs. The sequence also has different angles on Crockett & Tubbs as they speak with one another.
 * In the Director's Cut, the lead-up to the climactic battle now has Nonpoint's "In the Air Tonight" playing behind it.
 * The scene where Isabella runs after Crockett demanding to know who he is while shots are being fired has been cut differently.
 * Following this, there is an added scene where Isabella, angry at Crockett for lying to her, gets angry and proceeds to attack him as he drives to the safehouse, causing the car to spin out on the freeway. Isabella tries to escape but Crockett grabs her before she can and ties her arms behind her back so she cannot try anything else.
 * The safehouse scene is slightly longer than what is shown in the theatrical cut and shows Crockett taking longer to get settled and make his phone call and even cutting Isabella's hands free.
 * The credits in the Director's Cut are different. "In the Air Tonight" no longer plays first since it was already featured in the movie. They also roll up right away instead of doing a one-at-a-time centered fade of the cast and crew. The rolling credit music still features "One of These Mornings" and "Boat Race" by John Murphy.


 * Why isn't it necessary? I think it is perfectly applicable to the article. If not, then perhaps create a new wikipage with a list of these differences and have it linked from the main article, similar to how List of Strategic Air Command Bases is linked off Strategic Air Command.  $.02  Srobak (talk) 15:37, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Because it threatens to overwhelm the rest of the article. The article is about Miami Vice the movie not about the differences between two cuts of the film, most of which are inconsequential and trivial. A new wikipage with this list would be better suited, I think.--J.D. (talk) 19:02, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It can be necessary to include the differences if it's notable. Take a look at Kingdom of Heaven (although it's list could also be trimmed). The best option is to mention three to five of the largest differences or mention similar types of items that were cut. It's unlikely that it needs to be split off onto its own page as well (unless it had massive critical/studio response between the differences). A few prose paragraphs should cover the details. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 00:25, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Calling them inconsequential and trivial is a bit presumptuous, and gives the appearance that you didn't see the movie in both cuts, JD. Nehrams - I think if we take your last idea that would be sufficient.  I will look over the list and pick out some of the most noteworthy (keep in mind these may have more impact to the MV Culture than to the plot/story itself), and those that impact the overall movie and see what I can come up with in the next few days.  Thanks...

I think we have further distance from the DVD release now and would like to put some of these in. I've seen both versions. Any objections?--Aichikawa (talk) 16:20, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Music
There are two composers listed as having worked on the score for the movie, but in the section of the article on the music, only the absence of Hammer's theme and the presence of songs by a variety of artists are covered, without mention of what the two composers contributed. Could someone please fill in this gap? Steve the k (talk) 23:45, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

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