Talk:Michael Mann

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Michael Mann is NOT a firearms instructor.

Article definitely needs povs taken out. in fact, I couldnt imagine how beyond, facts and data about his films, there would be much more than a stub on his personal life as very little is known about that beyond what colleagues and family would know.

The "Film Style" Section Is Terrible
The film style section is terrible. It says almost nothing about his film style, and instead is trying desperately to find connections in the plots between various of his movies. It wouldn't be a bad idea to remove the section entirely, but it certainly needs to be rewritten.
 * Agreed. Made changes to that section to remove the subjective essay and include variety of professional viewpoints and proper citations. I think we can remove the Argumentative Essay flag. --GimmeChoco44 (talk) 01:22, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 * It now has one thin statement on Mann's style, one negative critic's opinion on his style, and one statement on a common theme in his films. However the negative opinion on his style is WP:UNDUE and cannot stand alone, so I have removed it. It is not widely held, most critics are very positive on Mann's style. That leaves more on theme than style, so I have changed the header to Filming style and themes. This section was apparently created for the now removed unsourced essay. I would be for removing the section as it stands now, but I'll leave it for others to build up. - Gothicfilm (talk) 23:20, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Ali
Someone familiar with the film, please rewrite the section. &mdash; Shadowhillway 00:48, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Is it just me, or does this page have an extreme problem with POV? Examples: "This movie is a cops and robbers epic with an impressive bank heist sequence that is one of the very best of its kind ever put on screen." "While it received mixed reviews from the critics and a lukewarm reception at the box office, Ali is an absorbing historical biopic in the grand tradition of Oliver Stone." When I go to the wikipedia, I don't want to read reviews and opinions, just facts. This article is in need of some serious rewriting. Wilpower 14:35, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

cleanup tag added
Like Wilpower, I came here looking for facts and got what looks like a publicist's statement. This article is a mess -- for one thing, most of it is just a summary of all of Mann's films, each of which already has its own page, and the info here adds absolutely nothing. And the final section is a list of unsourced fanboy rumours and wishful thinking. It also has serious POV problems and is rife with peacock terms in place of facts. --Misterwindupbird 19:39, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I've cleaned up this entry considerably so that it is much more fact-based. -- J.D. 2:15, 29 April 2006


 * Nice work. It reads much better now. --Mr Wind-Up Bird &#9992; 15:08, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Film Template
I've created a template for Mann's films: Template:Michael_Mann_Films Anyone interested in having this perhaps replace the filmography which looks kinda clunky? -- Count Ringworm 19:52, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I just readded a filmography section, not realizing that the article had previously had one and had it removed in favour of the template at the bottom (which I looked over when I was reading the article and didn't even realize was there). Anyways, it seems to me that the "clunky" filmography section is standard practice for directors at wikipedia (see Francis Ford Coppola, Steven Spielberg, Martin Scorsese, and Alfred Hitchcock for examples), and I think it's what users are expecting to find in the Michael Mann article, so I vote to keep it in. SweetP112 13:53, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Color: a small point
The section on color is a little flaky. The color blue in Mann's films is not necessarily a sign of safe haven, but of isolation, barrenness, introspection. Mann himself says this in the director's commentary on the Heat DVD, going so far as to point out that, in the subsequent dinner scene, it's "not by accident" that the background is blue when Neal goes to call Eady (the phone room's background color is blue)...Neal is the loner, attempting to close the distance that he's created between himself and the rest of humanity. That's what blue represents (at least in Heat).

(Ironically, in the wiki article, the caption to the famous "blue" scene in Heat, just to the right of the section on Color, says "the use of color and physical space to symbolize the isolation of Neil..." [emphasis mine])

Also, the comment "in Heat, two cops hide behind a red truck"--if I understand which scene we're talking about--is off...they're hiding behind a U-haul truck, which is A) orange and B) more important for being a truck (i.e., cover), not red. Also, yes, an attempted suicide in a bathtub is red, because blood is red. I think the color is a non-issue as far as color choice goes; it's more important that there is blood and there's been an attempted suicide than anything else.

In short, there's no argument that color plays a huge role in Mann's films, but this article shouldn't overstate or misrepresent those uses or generalize across films.

Excellent Work
Just wanted to let those responsible know that the section on Mann's reccuring themes is exactly the sort of thing that I want to see on a wikipedia article for a director/movie. Keep it up!

Biography
The comment "...in part to dodge the Vietnam draft (for which he was ineligible because of asthma)" is really interesting. If one were ineligible for the draft, why would one have to dodge it? Also, this statement is far from a NPOV. Tzittnan 17:21, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The Taschen book about Mann says he went to graduate school in England to dodge the Vietnam war.--Lord of the Ping 00:12, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Table Issues
Why does the table always end up at the bottom of the page? I cannot figure out why it won't stay in the middle. KMils 04:47, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Music
Mann's use of music is very distinctive, surprised this isn't addressed in more depth in the article. 90.202.100.211 04:34, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Irania
Sorry, but what actually "Irania" is? I was not able to find it anywhere else than here...

working with Leonardo DiCaprio
"On May 2, 2007, Variety magazine revealed that Mann's next project would be a 1930s film noir starring Leonardo DiCaprio" ... I believe this project was wactually Public Enemies... is it needed anymore?Reeferboy (talk) 13:35, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Michael Mann on Facebook?
I want to include a link to Mann's "official" Facebook page, but I can't find any link to independently confirm it is him. Does anyone know how to confirm a celebrity's Facebook page? http://www.facebook.com/pages/Michael-Mann/10940300333

Splitting Filmography
I would like to suggest splitting the filmography into two sections, one dedicated to movies Mr. Mann Writes,Directs and Produces- which are in essence truly his projects, and another separate section for producer credits most of which he has collected in the past decade. I would suggest splitting in 2 sections- one as a Director(in addition to writer or producer) and another for projects he wasn't actively involved with. thoughts?--Theo10011 (talk) 19:27, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Add?
108.195.138.171 (talk) 05:13, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * ‘New McCarthyism’ Described by Climate Scientist Michael Mann July 8, 2012, in reference to McCarthyism
 * Climate Denialists Would Be Remembered as Villains, Says Mann July 8, 2012, regarding Climate change denial and Climate change controversy
 * Not the same Michael Mann, I'm afraid. You're looking for Michael E. Mann. GRAPPLE   X  13:23, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Requested move 14 June 2016

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Consensus-backed move. (non-admin closure) — Andy W.  ( talk  · ctb) 18:11, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

– I have no doubt that when people search up Michael Mann, they mean the acclaimed director. He has 95,283 views in the past 90 days, a strong indicator that he is WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. He also has much significance as a renowned director (just check out the lead!).  Taylor Trescott  - my talk + my edits 18:03, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Michael Mann (director) → Michael Mann
 * Michael Mann → Michael Mann (disambiguation)


 * Pretty good case. Note these |Michael_E._Mann|Michael_Mann_(sociologist)|Michael_Mann_(scholar)|Michael_Mann_(bishop) pageview stats.  —  AjaxSmack   01:58, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Support, per nomination, primary. Randy Kryn 12:45, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Support, per nomination and the 90-day stats.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:32, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Support, per nomination. - Gothicfilm (talk) 23:40, 19 June 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Propose page move
It seems that the climate scientist Michael E. Mann is more notable than the director Michael Mann. The scientist's Wikipedia page has 84013 bytes, while this director's page is only 29047 bytes. This implies that the page "Michael Mann" should either go to the scientist or to a disambiguation page. The director is clearly not the most notable page with the name Michael Mann.

Hue 1968
is Hue 1968 still happening? I thought I remember reading about it on Mann's article page --Celco85Celco85 (talk) 13:17, 14 January 2021 (UTC)