Talk:Michael S. Rogers

Infobox
I tried to drop in an infobox for a military person but it looks strange and doesn't convey any information that the article doesn't already. (Anyway, should he get confirmed, we should use the public official infobox instead.) So I don't think it should be in there, but in the meantime here is the template filled out with as much information as is publicly available. ParkerHiggins ( talk contribs ) 01:26, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I added one in, and I think it didn't turn out too badly. I understand that the information is not all that new and different than what is in the article, but it at least provides a quick reference.  The only fact I couldn't find is his birthday. --Balon Greyjoy (talk) 01:59, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Mike Rogers Pending Retirement
The language here -- https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/04/24/senate-confirms-nakasone-head-nsa-cyber-command.html -- is clear: Nakasone "replaces the current director, Mike Rogers, who is retiring." What is unclear? It does not say he "will replace" but "replaces". If you had an article saying Rogers will remain as NSA head until .. then we could have a back and forth, but it does not appear you have that link. Please explain yourself. Doug Cousins (talk) 02:46, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Because the change of command cereony is not being held until May 4, 2018. https://www.dvidshub.net/webcast/15142 Neovu79 (talk) 02:48, 25 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Rogers is still the director, according to the website (NSA is good about updating their website). The 'replaces the current director' is simply saying that he'll replace the current one, as he's been confirmed. There are no sources to say Rogers has retired, nor are there sources that say Nakasone has been sworn in. Nakasone has been confirmed, that's it, and doesn't take office until he's sworn in. Corky  15:05, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you Corky. Doug Cousins seems to be having a difficult time understanding that even though an officer is confirmed, it does not mean that the officer assumes command immediately. Now, I will note that, it can happen, and has happened on a hand full occasions, but those are usually very uncommon in the military. Currently, the change of command ceremony and Admiral Rogers' retirement is not scheduled until May 4, 2018 as stated here. Neovu79 (talk) 17:02, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Addition of poorly sourced information
Per WP:BLPPRIMARY "Do not use trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents, to support assertions about a living person". Furthermore per WP:SYNTHESIS conclusions must be drawn from a single source, and not made from the synthesis of multiple sources. Please discuss here before continuing to add information. Garuda28 (talk) 03:02, 6 May 2019 (UTC) If I were using a trial transcript to try to support assertions besmirching Admiral Rogers' reputation, your input would be valid, but I am not, so your input is not valid. Admiral Rogers has been widely reported in the media as having asked for the IG investigation after becoming aware of illegal collection, and in an effort to stop it. He is also reported to have gone to a FISA Judge to report the behavior. If true, I think all would agree this behavior was commendable.
 * Please engage here. We can go by source by source to determine if and how to add it. Garuda28 (talk) 03:18, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
 * None of that changes the wikipedia guidelines for WP:BLP. You are making an assertion using these documents, and it doesn't matter if it supports, harms, or is neutral to his reputation. There are a whole lot of issues with the information added. Many sources, such as the primary ones don't come to conclusions, while the secondary ones don't even mention ADM Rogers. I would strongly encourage you to revert your edits, as they are poorly sourced and do not independently support the conclusions given. Garuda28 (talk) 04:24, 6 May 2019 (UTC)