Talk:Michael Sionidis

Grčište village
The village of Grčište back when Sionidis was born was full of Macedonian speakers. In the village an exharcist school operated. Censa from the time clearly establish the fact that Grčište was a non-Greek village. Vasil Kanchov in 1900; 500 жители българи християни (500 "bulgarian" inhabitants) and Dimitar Mishev in 1905; 680 българи екзархисти (680 "bulgarian" Exharcists). His grandsons mother tongue may in fact be Greek but "Sionidis" was a "Slavophone/Macedonian speaking" family. PMK1 (talk) 04:26, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

I doubt about your sources. Grciste means "village of Greeks". When I wrote about his grandsons, I ment their memories and not their present mother tounge.Chrusts 19:28, 29 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pyraechmes (talk • contribs)


 * It does not mean village of the Greeks. If they were Greek then they likely would have not joined the Bulgarian exarcate. I do not know the exact meaning but you are just speculating. How can you doubt my sources? Here is Vasil Kanchov Гърчища; Българи 500. Provide me a source please. And watch out on your reverts you can be reverted for edit warring.
 * Unless you are creating an article about his grandsons then what you say is not relevant here unless it is a verifiable source. They likely would not have spoken Macedonian; this does not mean that their grandfather did not speak Greek as a second language. PMK1 (talk) 09:37, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Grčište means a "place of Grecomans" or a "place inhabited of hellenized people". However in 1905 in the village lived only Bulgarian exarhists, see: Brancoff, D.M. "La Macédoine et sa Population Chrétienne". Paris, 1905, стр.194-195. Jingby (talk) 09:46, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes Jingiby that is what it means; but the "G" word is offensive to many people. Hmm. ?! PMK1 (talk) 13:49, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

During 19th century a lot of censa had been atempted in Macedonia, by Greeks, Bulgarians, Ottomans and some great powers of that era, such as France, Russia etc. Those censa were completely different and you canät come to a conclusion because each one had a specific purpose, accordingly with the interests. For Grciste: G’rčišta (Garčište), 500 christian Bulgarians Kitchov(Кънчов). Gartchichte, 680 exarchatists [Brancoff]. Gritsista (Γκίρτσιστα), 225 patriarchists and 176 exarchatists Chalkiopoulos (Xαλκιόπουλος). I only know that after 1912, about 50 families came in Evzoni village by Grciste. The G word may have been taught to people in that way so they hate it now. There are 87 years passed, anyway.Chrusts 22:35, 1 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pyraechmes (talk • contribs)


 * What is your point? It is clear that the inhabitants of Grčište are macedonian speakers and have been since the time of Sionidis. Unless you can prove that he too did not speak Macedonian as a first language then the category:Slavophone Greeks is appropriate here. PMK1 (talk) 03:45, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Maybe he was also a slavic speaker. OKChrusts 17:39, 5 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pyraechmes (talk • contribs)


 * That is one problem solved. People need to approach these issues from a more objective point of veiw. PMK1 (talk) 12:06, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Sionidis was born in Bogdantsi according to greeks, not in Grchishte (see, , ). A mistake is possible, but we need verification. Also we need citation of this: In the autumn of 1904, Bulgarian komitadjis came to Grciste (which means "village of the Greeks") and killed many Greek inhabitants, including the teacher Chatzigeorgiou, who was a cousin of Captain Michalis, teacher Konstantinos Sionidis, his daughter, and another relative, Leonidas Sionidis.

At least, as you can see all the killed were from Sionidis`s family - regular contra measure of IMRO members to greek atrocities during Macedonian struggle. What is the reason for this concrete act? Подпоручикъ (talk) 08:28, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

We don't count or compair atrocities here. We describe facts. If you think that the Bulgarians made less atrocities than the Greeks because they only killed whole families and let no descentants, then I don't have anything to add. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.67.152.48 (talk) 16:43, 20 July 2009 (UTC)