Talk:Michael V Kalaphates

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was no consensus to move. Cúchullain t/ c 15:56, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Michael V Kalaphates → Michael V – - Requesting move back to original name for the following reasons: a) "Kalaphates" was the emperor's sobriquet, and sobriquets (unless they are "the Great") are not part of the actual name, which remains "Michael V". b) the move was performed to make way for a dab page with three articles, the emperor, Pope Michael V of Alexandria who held office for a year, and a Filipino comedian, Michael V.. Of the first two, the emperor is more notable by far, and the same goes probably for the comedian, despite pop culture popularity. I propose that the dab page be moved to Michael V (disambiguation), or dealt with through a dab hatnote as in Constantine IV. --Relisted Cúchullain t/ c 12:55, 10 August 2012 (UTC) Constantine   ✍  08:46, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose Natural disambiguation is preferred; Kalaphates is perfect for that, and the name is supported by sources. bobrayner (talk) 11:01, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment this is not about whether the surname is sourced or not. Of course it is, but then Basil II is almost always called "the Bulgar-Slayer", and Constantine V regales in the nickname "Dung-named" ("Kopronymos"), and we don't add them to the article title. Unless there is a family surname, the usual practice with Byzantine emperors is to leave the sobriquet out. Constantine  ✍  13:48, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The name used by sources is surely relevant when common names are preferred; in this case, there's a name which is used by sources and which provides natural disambiguation, avoiding the need to put a dab page at "Michael V (disambiguation)". That "(disambiguation)" suffix is just an ugly compromise we have to use whenever there's no alternative; but here, there is an obvious alternative. bobrayner (talk) 18:57, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.