Talk:Michael Vick/Archive 3

some stuff to work into the article
(from this article The first episode does offer a glimpse, however, at answering that question. Vick said he saw his first dogfight as a 7-year-old. Vick's brother, Marcus, tells the cameras that growing up "we never knew there was nothing wrong with it." Michael Vick said on Thursday that dogfighting was a part of black culture. "When you grow up in the inner cities, when you grow up in the urban neighborhoods, that's pretty much what you get," Vick said. "You don't have opportunities to do certain things at your own leisure. When you have down time, if you're not playing football, basketball or baseball, then you're looking for some activity to get into.""""
 * """"Why sacrifice so many animals and put them in vulnerable positions to be harmed and injured?" he told The AP. "It was pointless."

(There's probably alot more from that article that can be worked in here. The Reality TV show section that i just added can be expanded. )


 * There's that report that come out a month ago about how he enjoyed dogfighting 'for the thrill of it' and not for the money like he has previously stated (can't find the link at the moment)


 * reports have surfaced on NFL network that the Eagles will either trade or release Vick and not pick up the second year of the contract

RF23 (talk) 03:29, 28 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I actually slimmed the new section a bit. The show hasn't premiered yet, and HuffPo's article adds little to our understanding of the whole sordid affair. (For that matter, I don't really want to know the specifics the series might provide.) They're way off, too, when they tagged this show "reality tv." "The Surreal Life" or "Jersey Shore" this ain't.
 * As far as future NFL moves, I would strongly oppose adding anything until it happens. This article is already way too long.
 * Şłџğģő 04:24, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

vicks first start in 2010 was actually last sunday (9/19/10) against the detroit lions as kolb was out with a concussion —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.166.177.186 (talk) 00:58, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

As of last night, Vick has passed Steve Young for 2nd on all-time QB rushing list. This needs to be updated at the top. Lock obviously prevents me from doing so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.33.72.68 (talk) 14:31, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Turnaround
add to article ? It is obvious to everyone that Michael Vick has turned his entire life ar0ound to be many notches above his former performance in pro football to the peak performance this year of any pro quarterback including Colts Manning and in his attitudes to include strong humility and rapid growth in all areas. Congrats on rehabbing to a fine person Michael. /s Tyrell Joanz XXX Sr, kkll69.121.221.97 (talk) 04:37, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree. His rehabilitation needs to be part of this article.  It too is widely documented and should be part of the article in accordance with WP:BALANCE Elmmapleoakpine (talk) 02:36, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

If Mike turn his life around, Ivan Demjanjuk did too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.226.202.3 (talk) 03:20, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Carlson says Vick should have been executed for killing dogs
News reporter Tucker Carlson says that Michael Vick should have been given lethal injection for killing dogs. I mean, come on! Who gives Carlson the right to kill Michael Vick for killing dogs?! he has the right to kid, if you dont think so your an insensitive prick Here's the story if you want to improve this article: Carlson: Vick deserved death penalty --Angeldeb82 (talk) 18:35, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think the comments of one gas bag are particularly relevant here. --Muboshgu (talk) 21:08, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * That would probabally be more relevant for Tucker Carlson than here.--76.66.180.54 (talk) 02:38, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Article's time sense is totally schizo; timeline badly needed
I'm curious to find out whether a template exists to add a timeline graphic to a WP article. Failing that, a complete rewrite of the section relating to Vick's criminal activities, prosecution, sentencing, and incarceration is badly needed. As the section currently stands it is not possible to determine exactly how much time Vick did serve in prison (as opposed to how much time off for good behavior, or how much time was reduced due to completing the drug rehab program), or how much of Vick's time was served at Northern Neck and how much was served at Leavenworth. It is also difficult and non-intuitive to determine, from the article as currently written, when he entered custody, when he began serving his sentence, when he qualified for the rehab program, when (if?) he was awarded any time off due to behavior or the rehab program, and when he was released. (Yes, I see this last detail in the article but it's not placed anywhere sensible and nothing is done to call attention to it from the preceding, unrelated paragraph.)

In short, the chronology of his misadventure through the penal system is almost impossible to determine from this article without poring over this section and doing a good deal of detective-work. The chronology should be clear from a glance. I will wait for suggestions a bit before I start making changes; I'm sure this article's regular editors will want to weigh in. Cheers, Kasreyn (talk) 21:27, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Article is Too Long
Why is there a detailed discussion of every single incident Vick has been involved with? I can't imagine this is engaging for readers, and it is not common practice to discuss in detail every transgression every NFL quarterback has been involved with. I don't understand why there is an exception for Vick. It's a little offensive, honestly, given the fact the rampant racism against black quarterbacks in the NFL. Why has an exception been made for Vick? This question needs to be answered. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.27.79.59 (talk) 05:05, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Trimming the article down in this case may not be such a bad idea FWest2 (talk) 00:52, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Bankruptcy
WOW, is that hugely long and detailed section on his Bankruptcy really necessary? It is almost fully half of the article and has absolutely NOTHING to do with why Vick is a notable figure and is of almost no historical significance. 138.87.158.103 (talk) 17:44, 2 November 2010 (UTC)


 * What he said. 136.181.195.10 (talk) 14:21, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Hilter was famous. Does that make him good? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.226.202.3 (talk) 03:27, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Were there specific parts of the bankruptcy section that you wanted to cut out? FWest2 (talk) 00:55, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Mikist4, 26 January 2011
Add to the "Endorsement" section: On January 25th, 2011 it was announced that Vick signed his first endorsement deal since his release from prison. The Philadelphia Eagles' Pro Bowl quarterback inked a two-year contract with Unequal Technologies, a provider of the football pads Vick wore most of last season.

Mikist4 (talk) 09:53, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * This should be done, but the "Endorsement" section is explicitly under the "Falcons" section, so a reorganization of some sort is probably needed. --Muboshgu (talk) 14:24, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Since it appears this is already being addressed by a capable editor, I'm going to remove the esp banner for now to help clear up backlogs.  elektrik SHOOS  23:23, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Musclepharm should be added to the endorsement section for 2011. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.93.199.2 (talk) 20:26, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Contract
I have no idea how to contact somebody about the misinformation on Michael Vick's page, so i'll just put it here. He did NOT sign a 100 million dollar contract with 40 million garunteed, he signed a 90 million dollar contract with about 35.5 million garunteed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.7.248.220 (talk) 03:18, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not misinformation. The contract is technically $100 million, even though the sixth year is just fluff.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  03:21, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Redundancy
Under controversies, it says: "He later failed to show up for another seat booked for him later that evening." Since the article is locked, I can't edit - can someone who can edit please clean this up (remove one of the instances of "later")? 71.134.230.190 (talk) 17:15, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅  Eagles   24/7  (C)  18:41, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

RfC: Article length
This article is currently 108 kilobytes long, and several IPs and new users above have commented on this talk page to complain about the article's length. Roughly a year ago, I tried unsuccessfully to make changes to this article, but they were shortly reverted. Can we come to a consensus as to how to shorten this article?  Eagles   24/7  (C)  21:18, 22 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Seems that the "Incidents, Criminal Troubles" and "Financial Troubles" sections take up half of the article. Perhaps these could be split off to a dedicated article. De  Fault  Ryan  22:07, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the "Financial Troubles" section, in particular, goes into far more detail than is really needed and give undue weight to that aspect of the coverage. The other stuff, I'm less sure, because the dogfighting conviction, etc. was really big news. cmadler (talk) 13:14, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Split there's more than enough wide coverage from the dogfighting incidents alone to warrant an article there (to some it may be silly or cruel or whatever, but HEY widespread coverage is widespread coverage--it's a notable event in itself).--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:03, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * There is currently an article on the dog fighting investigation (Bad Newz Kennels dog fighting investigation) which is linked as the main article under the "Dog fighting investigations" section of this article. Therefore, we could cut out most of the highly detailed information under this section that already appears in the main article.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  20:13, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Now I know why I stay away from controversial Wikipedia subject material: this article is out of control and there are apparently several editors who like it that way. Among the numerous examples of overkill: why does the description of Vick's bankruptcy case have details for every major creditor??  The legal and financial problems sections read like a first-year associate's case summary memo for a law firm partner.  LOL  I don't know that this article needs to be split so much as it needs an editor who is willing to take the lead in eliminating the gross overkill level of trivia and minutiae, and developing a new consensus around a reasonable and balanced level of detail in describing Vick's legal and financial problems per WP:W.  We need to know that he filed bankruptcy, the total amount of his debts, and the outcome of the case.  We don't need to to know the names of every creditor and the judge's disposition of those individual debts.  Likewise, you don't need the complete history of every pleading in his criminal cases.  The charges should be identified, the outcomes stated, and the sentences given.  The current level of detail is not appropriate.  If you can't reduce the level of detail in the main article by consensus, then by all means split off separate dog-fighting and bankruptcy articles.  If you want someone with a legal background to take a whack at these sections, let me know, but I will need a lot of talk page support and protection from the folks who are guarding this page as it presently exists.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:50, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree that this article is too long. The section about incidents with the law is ridiculous and in violation of WP:BLP and WP:UNDUEWEIGHT. I agree with the person who said that the dog fighting conviction should be put in a separate article. Elmmapleoakpine (talk) 02:33, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

The article length is fine. From an editorial standpoint, it serves to illustrate the complexities of his life; which have been many. I found it very interesting to read. 98.118.62.140 (talk) 06:11, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I disagree - the section about his bankruptcy is way too long.Gwyka (talk) 00:44, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Clearly, the level of detail seems unnecessary to many readers. This is like those plot synopses in the movie articles, except some people enjoy the spoilers. In this case, the demand has been exhausted for the level of detail even a reader interested in bankruptcies in a general sense would desire. That's my gut objection. But guidelines for neutrality--while refuting as a matter of policy my instinct about the article--point out in a different line of reasoning as to why we should conscientiously prune this hydrid Venus Flytrap.
 * "Discussion of isolated events...about a subject may be verifiable and neutral, but still be disproportionate to their overall significance to the article topic."
 * "Note that undue weight can be given in several ways, including, but not limited to, depth of detail, quantity of text, prominence of placement, and juxtaposition of statements."
 * "Keep in mind that, in determining proper weight, we consider a viewpoint's prevalence in reliable sources, not its prevalence among Wikipedia editors or the general public."
 * WP:WEIGHT
 * The section would not stand alone as its own article (notability); yet the sources are valid; so it's the discussion of these sources, according to guidelines, which should be trimmed. How far? So as to mirror the same proportion in which reliable sources note the bankruptcy. ClaudeReigns (talk) 06:33, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * A lot Claude. I will get to work on this boldly if I have time in the future. This article is a disgrace and it appears mostly inexperienced editors are keeping it that way(?). Trevor GH5 (talk) 13:41, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Vick is now the leader in rushing yards for QBs ahead of Randall Cunningham
This needs to be fixed. Benjaln (talk) 16:08, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from, 16 October 2011
On Sunday October 16th 2011 Michael Vick ran for 52 yards placing him as the Quarterback with the most rushing yards, not second most.

Lilleswing (talk) 23:08, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅  Eagles   24/7  (C)  23:10, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 27 May 2012
}} Michael Dwayne Vick (born June 26, 1980) is an American football quarterback

"please change IS to WAS because he does not NOW play football"

100.43.105.26 (talk) 15:57, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't see anything to confirm your claim, can you provide a reliable source confirming his alleged retirement? Monty  845  19:13, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Suggested addition under main section Michael Vick a Dog Owner Again
On October 11th Michael Vick confirmed he was a dog owner again "I understand the strong emotions by some people about our family's decision to care for a pet," Vick said in a statement. "As a father, it is important to make sure my children develop a healthy relationship with animals. I want to ensure that my children establish a loving bond and treat all of God's creatures with kindness and respect. Our pet is well cared for and loved as a member of our family." http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8492103/michael-vick-philadelphia-eagles-confirms-again-dog-owner - Percival2436 (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Percival2436 (talk • contribs) 00:17, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * This is nonsense, his owning a dog again should not be in his personal bio. Many people who have bios on here love/d dogs and cats and its well documented but its not added to their bio. This article is not a PR piece to clean up his image. --Ckarsiyaka (talk) 08:38, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Edit request on January 3, 2014
Playoff statistics are incorrect, the sum of completions should be 79, not 89, and the rating should be 78. Refer to http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/player/michael-vick/careerstats/69083?seasonState=PostSeason&q=michael-vick — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.145.233.189 (talk) 18:43, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

what about him being a dog fighter cause I've not forgot — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.105.142.148 (talk) 22:31, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Edit Request
The section titled "Early Years" has a minor grammatical error.

His mother worked two job, obtained public financial assistance and had help from her parents, while his father worked long hours in the shipyards as a sandblaster and spray-painter.

should be "His mother worked two jobs...."

- Azaleaa


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Semi-protected edit request on 11 August 2014
Edit Michael Vick image to current image from August 8, 2014. Image Link

99.195.36.165 (talk) 01:59, 11 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: as the image appears to be copyright, so we cannot use it; unless the original photographer uploads the picture and relinquishes their copyright - Arjayay (talk) 11:53, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

categories
multiple categories hinting towards the "criminal" lifestyle of michael vick make the article seem quite biased. as i am neither a fan of any team vick has played for nor a football fan in general, i felt that reading this article as a whole, it was written in a non-neutral tone. while the athlete is a convict, multiple overlapping categories and references seems as overkill. "American people convicted of cruelty to animals", "Animal cruelty incidents" and "21st-century American criminals" could easily be condensed into "21st-century American criminals", which covers the overall time and place of the incident, further information given on the page the link directs to. further information should be looked up on an online-database about criminals.

Zerochuckdude (talk) 03:45, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I removed the incident category. He does belong in the relevant categories for people. Lady  of  Shalott  20:13, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Leed Paragraph: race, position, draft statistic
I don't see the relevance or necessity for the statistic (in bold): "... was drafted first overall by the Atlanta Falcons in the 2001 NFL Draft, the first African-American quarterback ever taken in that position"

Given the decade and race-ratios of American Football at that time, it is unnecessary. If it were a minority race in the sport with a history of not playing a certain role, I could see the point. I don't see the need to track all the races and the draft numbers for each position. Other editors have claimed the article is too long. This would be a small thing to take out.

Carlosfhernandez (talk) 01:11, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
 * African American quarterbacks are still relatively rare (and were moreso 15 years ago) and that seems like it is still a meaningful distinction. For example, when Russell Wilson won the Super Bowl, the media made a big deal over it. --B (talk) 15:02, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 October 2015
its mike vick now he changed his first name

24.224.203.238 (talk) 09:32, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --Stabila711 (talk) 09:42, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

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Only a few years ago, Michael Vick was probably one of the most hated men in America.
According to the NY Post January 2015. Now (2016) a new documentary movie's ("Champions") reminding everyone of felony charges Vick was convicted of. Celebrity status amongst the sector of society following the football/rugby sport, Vick served only 18 months in Federal Prison of possible 5 years and skated on the racketeering charges. It seems only appropriate, that after conviction in a national and state (VA) criminal case that the notoriety be as prominent as the sports. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.234.0.233 (talk) 21:40, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 18 November 2016
Note 80 should be removed as it is an article from 2013 referring to information about 2016. It is at best unhelpful; at worst misleading.

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Semi-protected edit request on 1 April 2017
There is a typographic/spelling error, (garnished his career should read tarnished his career). Please change g to t. 45.25.100.239 (talk) 04:01, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
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 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20130224071436/http://news.fredericksburg.com/redskinsjournal/2012/02/26/robert-griffin-iii-runs-4-38-second-40-yard-dash-at-nfl-combine/ to http://news.fredericksburg.com/redskinsjournal/2012/02/26/robert-griffin-iii-runs-4-38-second-40-yard-dash-at-nfl-combine/
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Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2019
Remove ", and convicted animal abuser." that doesn't belong with the teams he played for. Tundraspalace (talk) 20:36, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: That's the lead section, nothing wrong with that statement or the location - FlightTime  ( open channel ) 20:39, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

'Convicted Felon'
Not sure I understand the 'convicted felon' reference in the opening sentence. I feel this should be removed. So anyone who's been to jail should be noted as a 'convicted felon' in their opening Wikipedia sentence? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.116.124.134 (talk) 21:50, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

My word, it’s been 6 years since this was posted. If you’re still around, I agree and removed that edit. Dynen (talk) 07:09, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

Invalid external links
The following external links for this article are invalid:

Official Website (http://michaelvickzone.com/) and Michael Vick on Twitter (http://twitter.com/MichaelVickZone)

Replacement verifiable links could not be found. Eric C. (talk) 16:09, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ removed.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  20:16, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

The external link to the Sports Illustrated cover under the college career section is invalid and leads to nothing. KzooConch (talk) 09:26, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Edit Request 8/29/19
(1) The external link to the Sports Illustrated cover in the College Career section is broken and leads nowhere. Also the sentence previous to the external link states that he was on the cover of ESPN The Magazine and does not mention the Sports Illustrated cover. (2) In the NFL career section is a mention of a record that Vick set that was then broken. "Vick also set a then-NFL record for most rushing yards by a quarterback in a single game with 173 against the Minnesota Vikings on December 1, broken by Colin Kaepernick (181) in 2013.[16]" The last portion about Colin Kaepernick breaking the record is unnecessary and does not pertain to the subject of the page and therefore should be removed. KzooConch (talk) 09:29, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I've fixed the image link. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 12:30, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.169.154.205 (talk) 15:38, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Editing request
There is a line that includes the phrase "withdrawn monies" that should be changed. The line appears in the Federal Prosecution and Conviction subsection of the Dog Fighting section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.106.160.97 (talk) 19:45, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

double check
In the first table in the NFL career statistics section. It seems to me that the Comp and Att columns are backwards. 113 Comp and 50 Att? Am I missing something? This is "Completions" and "Attempts" correct? — Ched (talk) 02:57, 23 April 2021 (UTC)


 * I swapped the column labels and the totals so they represent the number. If Vick fans want to go through and swap each individual year so it matches other tables - that's up to you. — Ched (talk) 12:29, 23 April 2021 (UTC)