Talk:Michael van der Veen

This is again a biased article trying to ridicule van der Veen. One could just as easily select events and say that he ridicule some of his interviewers or contradictors.

See how he was interviewed here by an anchorwoman speaking about little changes made by the house prosecutors (a small green checkmark missing, a small typo in a date)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V33Op4UHPI — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.143.210.7 (talk) 21:10, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

MVDV lied. He denied calling it an insurrection (see 0:58-1:32 in the CBS video). But he did. He said this:

"…there was a violent insurrection of the Capitol. On that point everyone agrees."

She was right. He was wrong.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4946237/user-clip-mvdv-agrees-insurrection Jukeboxgrad (talk) 21:22, 14 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes, everyone agrees it was a peacful protest. You carefully ommitted "the question before us is not whether there was" thingy. Check for yourself, who is is the Emperor of USA? Right, no one. 2A00:1FA0:27A:B579:88C0:D0CE:1135:6B49 (talk) 09:46, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Capitalization
There’s been some disagreement about the proper capitalization style for a name like Michael van der Veen. His last name is van der Veen; the name is probably of Dutch origin because that is a very common way that they do their last names. And that’s how we are supposed to list it: lower-case v on van, except capitalized at the start of a sentence. In other words, the first time we name him we say Michael van der Veen, and after that we say van der Veen (except at the start of a sentence where we say Van der Veen. The lower case letter looks weird to some people, but it is the accepted style. Examples: The Washington Post, NBC News, Politico, USA Today. I made all of our usage consistent in this format yesterday, but User:Iandaandi changed them all to Van der Veen. I intend to change them back, but I’ll wait a day or two to see if anyone objects. -- MelanieN (talk) 01:45, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

For Dutch names where "van" is involved, it's a rule in most style guides to capitalize "van" when referring to the last name only, as in "we all admired Van Gogh's painting". It might be different for these newspapers, but it is the common standard in other publications (books, articles, studies, etc.). It's a small point, but consistency is the goal, I agree!

Here are some references that support this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_(Dutch) Chicago style: https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/185852/initial-capitalization-of-foreign-surnames-when-starting-a-sentence MLA https://style.mla.org/citing-dutch-names/ From the Gov style guide: https://www.loc.gov/aba/publications/FreeSHM/Appendb.pdf

Family names with initial particles. Headings for individual families derived from French, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, German and Dutch may include the initial particles De, Du, La, L', Von, Van, etc. Capitalize initial particles in family names in both headings and references. Examples: 100 3# $a Baden family 400 3# $a Von Baden family 100 3# $a De Groot family 400 3# $a De Groote family Iandaandi (talk) 06:23, 15 February 2021 (UTC)