Talk:Michel Aoun

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During his reign, he witnessed the October 17 revolution, the explosion of the port of Beirut and the collapse of the Lebanese economy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.126.158.238 (talk) 05:45, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

POV
I think the person himself that is charmouta Aoun, should have a say regarding his Biography. This is more political article than a biography, also note that the first link in the external links is a link to a site that is against Aoun , The link to his official website that is tayyar.org should be listed first. Suggested Biography of General Michel is posted on tayyar.org. A link to his official Biography should be posted in the links Nickhanhan (talk) 20:31, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

This article has serious problems and is biased and is not written from a neutral point of view. Firstly why is the picture of Michel Aoun have someone else in it? . It has more of Nasrallah than it does of anoun. Now we know who ever selected it didn't do it because he thought it was a impartial picture. He obviously selected it to bias people. Anoun Should be in the picture and no one else since the article is about Michel Anoun. Secondly the article is riddiled with allegations with no citation and the languge isn't remotely neutral e.g "The end approached for Aoun when his Iraqi ally, Saddam Hussein, launched his invasion of Kuwait"  (Fted (talk) 13:18, 31 January 2009 (UTC)).

I agree This article is 100% bias its written as if he is a saint. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miss-simworld (talk • contribs) 13:19, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

This article presents a biography with a political bias.

The entry also lacks a photo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.126.14.100 (talk) 18:07, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Popular support
How can we presuppose that Michel Aoun enjoys the support of more than 70% of the population when the last election results of 2005 prove that statistic wrong and no comprehensive polling of the Christian population has ever been conducted? This is speculative at best (and perhaps too optimistic, again, according to 2005 election results).

The 2009 elections showed a clear decrease in aoun's popularity in the christian opinion. since the votes are cast separately according to religion or sect in lebanon, it was clear in the results that aoun's party lost a lot of it's christian supporters. in addition aoun himself only recieved 52% in the keserwan district in which he was running (an all-christian district)

Also, Michel Aoun's knowledge of Italian and Spanish is paltry at best, so that should be put into question as well. In addition, no mention of Aoun's "poor parents" has ever been made, unless you assume that having a butcher for a father is an unquestionable characteristic of poverty and low-class.

Also, as reference to his tenure as prime minister from 1988 to 1990, I propose adding an "acting" in parentheses after the prime minister title, as the Lebanese Constitution briefs that only a Sunni Muslim may hold that position (or we should precise that his tenure was an exception or an anomaly, once again for the reason listed earlier). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericraff (talk • contribs) 09:14, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

return to Leb references
its been almost a year since the tag went up. it cant stay like that forever, the content must go if its original research

Edit request from BILGMAR, 12 June 2010
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Request for modification according to The Lebanese Armed Forces data bases link on http://www.lebarmy.gov.lb/English/Commander_10.asp Date and place of birth : 30/9/1933 - Haret Hreyk (Caza of Baabda) Enrolled in the Army, and entered the Military Academy as Cadet Officer on 10/1/1955 Promoted to Second Lieutenant on 9/30/1958

BILGMAR (talk) 14:49, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ hope I got everything. C T J F 8 3  pride 18:49, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

There are currently two birthdays listed. One in the first paragraph and another in the sidebar. 174.79.99.211 (talk) 18:38, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Your references
Naharnet, NowLebanon, Daily Star are not good references to talk about Michel Aoun —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.175.176.106 (talk) 06:59, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm kindly asking all LFers to stop filling this article with their own views
There are hundreds of other anti-aoun Forums and sites out there which you can write in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.187.66.207 (talk) 15:09, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Dramatic Change
"Michel Naim Aoun (Arabic: ميشال نعيم عون‎) (born September 30, 1933[1]) is a Lebanese Soukleen worker." Soukleen is a Lebanese cleaning factory which picks up garbage. This is wrong as General Aoun is a politician and Lebanese Leader. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mannoun1994 (talk • contribs) 21:24, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps both sides should stop filling the article with their own views and start filling it with facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.47.64.68 (talk) 07:52, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately, many Lebanese seem to make it a national sport to hijack Wikipedia as a forum to fill with puerile graffiti. As a consequence, I sometimes found myself forced to use secure login in order to make relevant contributions to ordinary articles, after my geographic area almost got blacklisted. (The things I'll do for the love of Shared Knowledge! ;-) The thing is, Lebanon's ISPs don't give their users permanent IPs, so any idiot may attract you an undeserved IP bad rep... I thank all the admins for their patience. I hereby emit a suggestion : protect all articles related to Lebanon so that only signed in registered users may edit them, at least from this area. Should dramatically reduce the hassles. Just 5 minutes ago, I reverted an insulting edit from the Hafez al-Assad page, this is getting out of hand! Issar El-Aksab (talk) 00:19, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Assassination attempt & other much-needed references
Please help complete this article if you can by finding references to the many genuine but undocumented facts in there, including the missed assassination attempt on Oct.12

Especially, the political events such as USA's "occult instructions" might have relevant documents to be found on Wikileaks. Thank you in advance. Issar El-Aksab (talk) 00:07, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

8 or 14 March?
Regarding this edit, what should the date be? I'm not very familiar with the topic or the underlying need for the coalitions but we have articles for both a March 8 Alliance and March 14 alliance (and we should probably fix the title of one of those articles due to the capitalization of 'alliance'). So which is actually being referred to here in that edit? Dismas |(talk) 03:21, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 October 2016
He was elected as president of republic of Lebanon in 31 October 2016

Ageagea (talk) 13:10, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ by others, about an hour before this request was made - Arjayay (talk) 14:59, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 November 2016
Michel Aoun is the 13th president in the history of Lebanon and not the 12th president.

Charbel youssef (talk) 09:15, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Topher385 (talk) 09:41, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 November 2016
is the 12th President of Lebanon. Please change 12th to 13th.

Ref: https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%A6%D9%85%D8%A9_%D8%B1%D8%A4%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%A1_%D9%84%D8%A8%D9%86%D8%A7%D9%86

Chrisrizk (talk) 09:34, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * ❌ as that is not a reliable source - Arjayay (talk) 12:33, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

12th, 13th or 17th president?
There have been requests, see above, to change the unsourced statement 12th President, to 13th, but these requests are not backed by reliable sources

The situation is complicated as shown in our article List of Presidents of Lebanon :- When do we start counting from? Do we count Bachir Gemayel who was assassinated before taking office? What do we do about the 2 disputed presidents Selim Hoss and Michel Aoun in the period starting 22 September 1988?

As the existing claim for 12th is unsourced, I will remove that, until consensus can be reached based on an official reliable source. - Arjayay (talk) 12:40, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * In fact, the article had two claims for 12th and two for 13th - all unsourced - so I have removed them all pending consensus - Arjayay (talk) 12:46, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The solution is to put nothing knowing because in his the title of president is used for the two periods. --Panam2014 (talk) 12:45, 2 November 2016 (UTC)


 * In agreement, we should have no numbering, until the situation is straightened out. GoodDay (talk) 17:29, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Political Strategy
" Syria as this country is the only official neighbor of Lebanon". It's unclear what "official neighbor" means? There is no concept of "official neighbor" in international law. Lebanon does not recognize the state of Israel, which is the neighboring country in the south. "Syria, the only neighboring country that Lebanon recognizes" would have been more clear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juha teuvonnen (talk • contribs) 17:39, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

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12th, 13th or 17th president
Should we number which president Aoun is? Including Greater Lebanon (which List of Presidents of Lebanon does), he's the 17th president. Excluding Great Lebanon, he's the 13th president. Yet they're sources that have him as the 12th president. Perhaps, it's best to go with 'no' numbering at all. What say you all? GoodDay (talk) 17:37, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Comment Given that Greater Lebanon no longer exists, I don't think it's worth including in the list. Sparkyb10123 (talk) 15:37, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Footnotes in info box: what does double-asterisk refer to?
In the infobox there are two footnotes. The first notes Aoun's civil-war-era presidency was disputed, and the second (with two asterisks) that his premiership at the same time was also disputed. But there is no double-asterisk in the infobox itself.

It looks like his 88-90 period as Prime Minister should have a double asterisk rather than a single, but I am not 100% sure. Molinari (talk) 18:21, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 October 2019
Ous.ai (talk) 17:53, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 9 May 2020
HE IS THE MOST HATED PRESIDENT IN LEBANON AND HE'S SUCH A LOSER. 185.142.41.193 (talk) 22:21, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: While that may be true, it's not encyclopedic. GoingBatty (talk) 23:25, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 January 2021
Anthouz123 (talk) 10:10, 13 January 2021 (UTC) abou el mich
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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 March 2021
5.169.240.116 (talk) 23:35, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

He is dubbed by the worst that ever happened to Lebanese and Christian in the region. In his time, the economy crumbled, the currency lost its value,and corruption went ramped. He is scheduled for execution soon.
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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 June 2021
In the introduction:

Aoun visited Syria in 2008, ending his long rivalry with Demascus. → fix to Damascus. 220.119.236.30 (talk) 02:30, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Curbon7 (talk) 02:58, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 August 2021

 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:44, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Famous Quotes
On August 6th 2021, Michel Aoun coins a new term "Lemon Doubly" sparking ridicule from Lebanese people 2A00:5400:E017:15:DDB8:D08E:F625:E0BE (talk) 06:54, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 September 2021
Add (The General ) to nicknames. That's in addition to his rank. Micheal Mike (talk) 19:31, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 22:20, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 September 2021
In addition to his nickname "The General", there is "Jebrayel" and "Raad". Please put them before "The General" because they were used earlier. Micheal Mike (talk) 16:12, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ meant to do this earlier, sorry for the delay. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 22:50, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 December 2021
Change "serves" to "has served" in the first sentence of the lead. Adopting the perfect form will improve the flow of the sentence, and will make it fit more naturally with the "...since 31 October 2016". ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 17:34, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:39, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Last paragraph of the lede
The last paragraph needs to be removed or rewritten, right now it reads like a partisan statement. At the bare minimum, it needs sources to back up its claims. 2601:85:C101:C9D0:E4E3:9F88:7C24:A054 (talk) 19:38, 13 August 2022 (UTC)


 * I second that. Should be removed because it's too general Happiness Is Everywhere (talk) 16:12, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

No longer prime minister from October 31
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/president-aoun-leaves-office-lebanons-crisis-worsens-2022-10-30/ Crannofonix (talk) 10:37, 30 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Correct - although "President", not "Prime Minister"
 * Pls change it (he left Baabda on the 30th, but his term expired on the 31st) Rik Spoutnik (talk) 09:19, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Birth year
Was Aoun born in 1933 or 1935? There’s several sources also claiming he was born the latter year. https://www.britannica.com/biography/Michel-https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/michel-aoun-political-survivor-finally-returns-power https://www.voanews.com/amp/michel-aoun-lebanon-populat-yet-divisive-new-president/3572957.html 2600:100C:A204:65F2:25D7:810:D166:7E9E (talk) 03:05, 16 February 2023 (UTC)


 * On top of that there’s also sources claiming his birthday is February 18. 2600:100C:A204:65F2:25D7:810:D166:7E9E (talk) 03:21, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 January 2024
Add "the" in the following sentence to make it grammatically correct. Or: Change X to Y. X: In their meeting, Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad assured that he would not interfere in the selection of next president in Lebanon. Y: In their meeting, Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad assured that he would not interfere in the selection of the next president in Lebanon. Mightbeaquarian (talk) 01:40, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 20:53, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Date of birth is incorrect
Date of birth is incorrect. Mr. President was born on February 18th 1935. Everybody, including his own family, celebrated his 89th birthday just yesterday. 2A02:A444:9930:1:25F0:E046:DDD4:2F71 (talk) 09:05, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Date of Birth is incorrect
The date of birth is incorrect. The correct date of birth should be February 18, 1935. Youssef Nader Leb (talk) 06:22, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
 * And your WP:Reliable sources for that claim are? - Arjayay (talk) 10:12, 20 February 2024 (UTC)