Talk:Michelle Williams (actress)/Archive 1

Cutting ties with Heath Ledger
There should not be anything on this page that speaks out in a libellous nature against Michelle Williams in regards to the death of Heath Ledger. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sholt8 (talk • contribs) 22:13, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Why is Ledger's death relevant to Williams' page? 208.1.120.200 (talk) 22:39, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Because they were together for 3 years and he is the father if her child. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.149.105.54 (talk) 23:25, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm still not sure why his *death* needs to be mentioned on this page - If John McEnroe is killed in a car crash tomorrow would "McEnroe was killed in a car crash on [insert date here]" on Tatum O'neil's entry? In addition, I agree with the first poster - the placement of the statement about Ledger's death is treading a fine line between extra information and inference that the death was somehow related to the breakup.70.189.213.149 (talk) 02:56, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * "On September 4, 2007, Williams' father confirmed to Sydney Daily Telegraph that Ledger and Williams had indeed split.[6] Ledger was subsequently found dead in a New York City apartment on January 22, 2008[7]."
 * The last sentence could be better worded so as not to imply that the split led to Ledger's death. --WTStoffs (talk) 02:58, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

It's relevant because Ledger died so soon after their split, and that has some affect on her life. I think people seeking information on Williams in the future will find it useful to know that the father of her child died four months after they broke up. It's a relative issue; it doesn't apply in every case, but I think it does here. 140.247.250.223 (talk) 04:55, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

For some guidance, see the "domestic partner" parameter definition in Template:Infobox actor, the talk page of that template, with the link to WP:BLP and the related links to policies for editing biographies of living persons such as Williams; espec. Neutral point of view and WP:V. See also Heath Ledger (family and personal life section and later secs.) for relevance to Williams and pertinent sections of Talk:Heath Ledger (including the talk archive). Thanks. --NYScholar (talk) 01:55, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Reliable third-party published sources and proper citations format
For help with editing requirements pertaining to biographies of living persons, please see the templates at top of this page and for citations format, please see WP:CITE. Thank you. All possibly-controversial material not properly sourced and extraneous questionably-sourced gossip unsuitable for an encyclopedia article on a living person are deleted on sight from biographies of living persons, as per WP:BLP. Most gossip-magazine style blogs are not considered reliable sources and not permissible. Please see the editing requirements and style guidelines before inserting any such material in this article and read the previous discussions. Thank you. --NYScholar (talk) 05:53, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Picture
Can't we just add the picture from the page Jen Lindley?AlexDuarte (talk) 08:17, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Why is Heath Ledger listed under Spouses in the Info Box?
The two of them were never married, and the couple were in fact in a domestic partnership. Heath Ledger's page reflects this, Michelle Williams should as well.24.190.34.219 (talk) 21:19, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

yes I agree... they were never married and there is a sentence in here that says "her husband"... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.77.97.3 (talk) 01:49, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Source
WhisperToMe (talk) 18:54, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
 * "Michelle Williams was terrified to play Marilyn Monroe." CNN. November 26, 2010.

The movie Timemaster
Michelle appeared in the movie Timemaster before she was in the film listed as her first in this article. Whether she puts it on her resume or not, it should be included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.115.236.102 (talk) 15:08, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Trimmed
Today, I trimmed some text from the article. It seems to me to be more journalistic and content more suited to a magazine than to an encyclopedia. Another editor, Lobo, feels different ans suggested the matter be discuss here. For the record, I think the trimmed down version is an improvemnt, but if other editors feel it should be restored, then I am not attached to the text. I guess sometimes it is hard to seperate journalism from writing an enclclopedia, but I usually prefer less to more. Plus, this actress is still young and developing - do we really need so much about each of her films? --BwB (talk) 21:23, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you BwB for your civil cooperation. The main thing I was opposed to was the vast amount of text that you removed (over 1,000 words), and it was easiest to just revert all of it. I'm sure we could reach a compromise about removing some things...I agree that actor article should never go into too much detail about plot, for instance (but a short summary of her role in a film is interesting and useful). Some quotes may indeed be unencyclopedic, as well. But I don't think they should all be removed as a blanket rule, quotes bring an article to life.
 * "Plus, this actress is still young and developing - do we really need so much about each of her films?" - I don't really understand this point. I see no reason why a "young and developing" actress should not be given a decent amount of detail about her career. She deserves it no less than Laurence Olivier, really, people could potentially be just as interested in her as the former. All articles should be as full as editors feel inclined to make them (within guidelines), regardless of perceived importance. -- Lobo (talk) 16:54, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I think a vast majority of the awards from the awards column should be removed.... There are hundreds of IF festivals, many or most of which are very small. Even if "celebrities" or otherwise "well known" hollywood professionals occasionally go to these festivals, or submit IFs to them, that does not make them "notable" per Wikipedia standards. The Awards column is abzolutely jammed full of completely obscure awards that 99.99997% of Wikipedia readers don't care about, don't know about, and probably won't even read. BUT, they will see that the "awards" section for each of her films is 15 lines long, and assume that makes it one of the great films of all time..... its really that the producers spammed it to every single IF festival they could possibly manage.184.189.220.114 (talk) 21:55, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Jason Segal
Why is Segal listed as her partner? Weren't they just dating? She dated Spike Jonze for the same amount of time... Was Segal more significant for some reason? Just curious. Let Me Eat Cake (talk) 19:15, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: no move. --  tariq abjotu  03:00, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Michelle Williams (actress) → Michelle Williams – When people look up "Michelle Williams," who are they looking for: An actress who starred in a series of successful movies and a highly successful TV drama, or, an R&B singer from a now-defunct trio who hasn't had much on her own? GeicoHen (talk) 03:58, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I suspect if you divide page views for Destiny's Child by 3, + Michelle Williams (singer) you'll find the 1980 born singer has a better claim to WP:PRIMARYTOPIC than the 1980 born actress. But simply based on Google Books you don't have a case. This is a classic WP:TWODAB where there are competing notable subjects. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:28, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose; The actress is probably a bit better known, but neither individual has a claim to be the clear primary topic. 168.12.253.66 (talk) 13:55, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose It's too close to call who the primary topic is so the hatnote is needed.LM2000 (talk) 02:07, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Support. Easily the primary topic in a WP:TWODABS situation. The actress's article has been viewed 421,223 times in the last 90 days compared to only 86,631. "Michelle Williams"+actress returns 44,400 hits in the Google News archives, compared to 4,730 for "Michelle Williams"+singer and 4,450 for "Michelle Williams"+"Destiny's Child". Google Books is also heavily slanted toward the actress ( vs., though neither appear to return many reliable sources) and both have had the exact same period over which to claim long-term significance. There's no need to make the large majority of readers looking for the actress jump through an extra hoop, and the singer will be found just as easily through a hat note (which is already present, btw) as through the dab page.--Cúchullain t/ c 13:54, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Support per Cúchullain. WP:TWODABS obviously covers this. Nymf (talk) 14:48, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose This isn't a case where the article is some stub of a person that nobody cares about. They both have generally the same notability. I should note that regular Google is divided - "Michelle Williams" "singer" gives 32,100,000 results while "Michelle Williams" "actress" gives 28,600,000. No primary topic.  Taylor Trescott  - my talk + my edits 18:47, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Raw Google searches are notoriously flawed, and can be affected by the searcher's location and search history. For instance I'm getting only 20,800,000 hits for the singer and 33,500,000 for the actress. The page view statistics and books and news searches are much less variable (and favor the actress several times over).--Cúchullain t/ c 17:20, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * From what I can see, news sources do not favor any over the other. The first page of Google News searches for Michelle Williams give me:

So yeah, it's unfair to pick one over the other.  Taylor Trescott  - my talk + my edits 19:26, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Source about actress
 * 2) Actress
 * 3) Actress
 * 4) Singer
 * 5) Singer
 * 6) Actress
 * 7) Actress
 * 8) Actress
 * 9) Singer
 * 10) Singer
 * "Michelle Williams"+actress returns 44,400 hits compared to 4,730 for "Michelle Williams"+singer and 4,450 for "Michelle Williams"+"Destiny's Child" in the Google News archives. It's not even close.--Cúchullain t/ c 19:32, 12 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose, per Taylor. -- Lobo (talk) 17:26, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 4 one external links on Michelle Williams (actress). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110316183919/http://www.wonderlandmagazine.com:80/features/michelle_ma_belle/ to http://www.wonderlandmagazine.com/features/michelle_ma_belle/
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20130603135110/http://wtfestival.org/performance?PerformanceID=77 to http://wtfestival.org/performance?PerformanceID=77
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110807113214/http://blogs.indiewire.com:80/thompsononhollywood/2010/12/03/michelle_williams_talks_blue_valentine_meeks_cutoff_playing_marilyn_monroe1/ to http://blogs.indiewire.com/thompsononhollywood/2010/12/03/michelle_williams_talks_blue_valentine_meeks_cutoff_playing_marilyn_monroe1/
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110623234718/http://blogs.indiewire.com:80/theplaylist/archives/new_images_seth_rogen_michelle_williams_in_sarah_polleys_take_this_waltz to http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/archives/new_images_seth_rogen_michelle_williams_in_sarah_polleys_take_this_waltz/

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at ).

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 08:03, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 4 external links on Michelle Williams (actress). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.wonderlandmagazine.com/features/michelle_ma_belle/
 * Corrected formatting/usage for http://blogs.indiewire.com/thompsononhollywood/2010/12/03/michelle_williams_talks_blue_valentine_meeks_cutoff_playing_marilyn_monroe1/
 * Corrected formatting/usage for http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/archives/new_images_seth_rogen_michelle_williams_in_sarah_polleys_take_this_waltz/
 * Added archive http://www.webcitation.org/6DZOQ92zN?url=http://oscar.go.com/nominees to http://oscar.go.com/nominees

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 14:58, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Michelle Williams (actress). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added tag to http://www.maxim.com/amg/girls/todays-girl/86465/michelle-williams.html
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120420032904/http://www.trendrabbit.com/2011/11/michelle-williams-transforms-into-hollywoods-biggest-starlet-my-week-with-marilyn/ to http://www.trendrabbit.com/2011/11/michelle-williams-transforms-into-hollywoods-biggest-starlet-my-week-with-marilyn/

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 12:10, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Michelle Williams (actress). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120118235039/http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/This-Day-in-History---September-9_7943379 to http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/This-Day-in-History---September-9_7943379

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 00:22, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

External links modified (January 2018)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Michelle Williams (actress). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://www.webcitation.org/62xOSePzt?url=http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/archives/michelle_williams_sings_on_my_week_with_marilyn_soundtrack_also_dean_martin/ to http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/archives/michelle_williams_sings_on_my_week_with_marilyn_soundtrack_also_dean_martin/

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 00:34, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Certifications in Discography
Fair enough she is not a professional singer but can't chart entries and certifications be added regardless whether she is or not? Mn1548 (talk) 21:55, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, I believe the chart entries and certifications are apt for The Greatest Showman: Original Motion Picture Soundtrack and not for an actor in the film who has only sung two songs in it. If she was a professional singer, then certifications would be an integral part of her career, but since she's not, simply stating the few songs she has sung (as part of her acting commitment to the film) should suffice IMO. Cheers! --Krimuk2.0 (talk) 06:32, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
 * What you say makes sense for the album as a whole but the songs on it, which she sang, I think should have the charts and certifications on it because as you said - she sung them. Also I think what you said about the certifications not being "an integral part of her career" because she's an actress and not a singer is true but that information is still true regardless which is why I think it should be on. Please tell me what you think about this. Thankyou. Mn1548 (talk) 17:49, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * We could pose this question on her talk page and see what other's think about it? Works? --Krimuk2.0 (talk) 18:10, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * That works for me. Mn1548 (talk) 18:20, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Added this discussion to the talk page regarding chart positions and certifications in the discography section as more view points are needed. Mn1548 (talk) 13:55, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Filmography
Why doesn't this page have a filmography? Just about every article for an actor or actress has a list of film/television appearances. 202.155.85.18 (talk) 07:56, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * It does: Michelle Williams on screen and stage. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 07:58, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Trading Accolades
Shouldn't her accolades as a trader be somewhere on her page? She won the World Cup Trading Championships in 1997. Sources: Jfdco (talk) 22:13, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * https://www.worldcupchampionships.com/standings-3
 * https://www.businessinsider.com/michelle-williams-trader-father-2011-1
 * http://www.trade2win.com/interviews/larry_williams.pdf
 * It's already there. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 15:06, 1 October 2019 (UTC)