Talk:Michigan–Michigan State football rivalry/Archive 1

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University of Michigan Project
University of Michigan is not represented with a project at Category:WikiProject Universities. Please comment at Talk:University_of_Michigan.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:10, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Notable games?
From a completely neutral editor's point of view (I live in Minnesota, we play for the Jug), it looks like your "notable games" section has turned into a recap of the last few games, whether they are notable or not. Is every game since 2006 truly "notable"? Not my place to change it, but it may merit looking at. SeanNovack (talk) 13:35, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Pre-trophy games?
This game was played much, much before the trophy was introduced, and there doesn't seem to be a separate page for the entire rivalry history - could the information be merged into this page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scipio Carthage (talk • contribs) 01:31, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Comments
Eight games associated with this trophy are notable, and seven of them took place in the last ten years? Looks like rampant recentism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.64.215.238 (talk) 19:13, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: move. --  tariq abjotu  05:28, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Paul Bunyan Trophy → Michigan–Michigan State football rivalry – The rivalry began 65 years before the Paul Bunyan Trophy was created. Also, all 45 meetings before 1953 were added just recently. --Relisted. --  tariq abjotu  03:47, 20 July 2013 (UTC) 184.96.22.80 (talk) 01:41, 12 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose. The rivalry is focused on the trophy, and is far more likely to be known by this name. Using this name makes for a far better encyclopedia. Perhaps we need an update to WP:AT to cover this principle rather than just appealing to WP:IAR, but I think this particular move fails on the other grounds anyway. Andrewa (talk) 09:59, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Support in line with recent outcomes regarding college football rivalries. The proposed title is more recognizable and natural. For those of us outside the Upper Midwest, we picture every other man there as Paul Bunyan, so his namesake trophy doesn't scream out Minnesota–Minnesota State. Err, Michigan. Whatever. --BDD (talk) 16:40, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Support. Per BDD, the proposed title is more recognizable and natural, and it is more in line with how the subject is discussed in the sources. For example, this book on the rivalry only discusses the trophy on four pages. This book contains some good material on the rivalry, but does not mention the trophy. Moving away from trophy names and the silly rivalry nicknames has been the trend recent in articles on college sports rivalries.--Cúchullain t/ c 19:59, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
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2015 "Michigan State Miracle"
Other possible titles may include, but are not limited to: OR
 * Miracle in Michigan II.
 * Rangers: Mission 4-10.

On October 18, 2012, this article finished with a consensus in an AFD to Merge with Michigan-Michigan State Rivalry. If Michigan State were to go on and win the Consensus College Football (FBS) Playoff Championship in 2016, this topic would more than likely be revisited (as the game itself would have had further implications at that point). IF, however, Michigan State loses to Ohio State and the Buckeyes were to win out the 2015 season advancing to the Big Ten Championship, then I will leave the article on it's current user page where it will remain indefinitely for future need/reference. Please feel free to leave any comments or questions on my user talk page! Cheers! Stubbleboy 04:37, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Cleaning up Notable Games
As another user mentioned way back in 2011, there is a nasty spat of "recentism" with the documentation of "Notable Games." I intend to clean it up quite a bit, but obviously it will be subjective. Full disclosure, I am an MSU alumnus, so I have asked a friend of mine (who is an alumnus of U of M) to work with me so as to edit in as much a non-biased way as possible. Unless there is resistance here, I'll go ahead with the cleaning within the next few days. Bnosnhoj (talk) 21:40, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Game results table
Something is wrong with this table because it says "Michigan leads 70-36-3" but the series is actually 69-35-5. Somehow it seems like two of the ties were mistakenly credited as victories (one for each team). Funnyhat (talk) 19:11, 30 October 2016 (UTC)