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how many cities are in michigan
how many cities are in michigan? Yakamoz51 (talk) 21:42, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Just wondering how this pertains to improving this article? Feel free to take a look at the list of cities, etc and do some counting.  DP 76764  (Talk) 22:32, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I count 275 incorporated cities on that list. But some have only a couple hundred residents while much larger charter townships and villages are not counted in that total. Rmhermen (talk) 00:49, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Michigan, research universities and 'common knowledge'
Here's the problem. I'll happily agree that UM and MSU are "commonly known" to be "leading research institutions", vagueness and slight peacockery aside; an editor has recently added Wayne State as well (twice), which is a good school but not one that in my own middling, but still common, experience with higher ed institutions, isn't as familiar as a leading research institution. I was going to remove the new entry as specifically unsourced, but realized that neither of the others were sourced either. Given the loose factual nature of the assertion in the first place I figured it made sense just to take out the whole sentence, UM and MSU too, rather than embark on an unsourced hairsplitting disagreement. I've now reinstated the sentence with UM and MSU only, because I agree their status is common knowledge. That's not my sense re Wayne State, however, so I left it out. What do you think? JohnInDC (talk) 06:20, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Wayne State's website calls it Michigan's "only urban public research university"---which I guess makes the city of Ann Arbor rural--but it's accurate enough according the the usual university directories. It gives doctorates in 60 different fields--that's a lot--and it's nationally famous in molecular biology and several fields of medicine and engineering. It is classified by the Carnegie Foundation for Advancement of Teaching as RU/VH (Research University, Very High research activity), and ranks among the nation’s top 50 public universities for total research expenditures ($235 million). so let's keep it. Rjensen (talk) 06:46, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree that WSU should be kept; it really is a major research institution, and keeping it grouped with UM and MSU is more accurate than leaving it off. However, I also think it's fair to say that it's not "common knowledge" that WSU is a major research institution. This is a list of the 108 institutions that the Carnegie Foundation for Advancement of Teaching classifies as RU/VH, which is a reasonable definition of "major research university."  There are exactly three on that list from Michigan (which you can quickly verify by filtering)--UM, MSU, and WSU. Andrew Jameson (talk) 12:53, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I've added the citation to the article. Andrew Jameson (talk) 12:59, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm completely fine with this. Thanks for doing the legwork.  JohnInDC (talk) 18:26, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Motto
I suspect there is a mistake in the table on the right of the page, with the general info.

Based on my basic knowledge of the Latin language, this is what it should be like:

New text:

Motto(s): Si quaeris peninsulam amoenam circumspice (If you seek a pleasant peninsula, look around you)

Old text:

Motto(s): Si quaeris peninsulam amoenam circumspice (If you seek a pleasant peninsula, look about you) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.182.4.6 (talk) 12:32, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Those mean the same thing. If you're not English-speaking, it might sound odd (and in this context it's a bit dated), but often 'about' = 'around'. Harsimaja (talk) 22:52, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * According to the State of Michigan's Facts & Symbols page at michigan.gov, the official translation is "... look about you". Sorry, but the most reliable source is definitive against changing it.  Imzadi 1979  →   23:47, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

"Other important cities"
The list has a tendency to grow as people add their favorites along with whatever seems to set the city apart in some fashion. But there are few cities and / or towns in the state that can't be distinguished by something. I'm going to pare the list a bit and to remove a few. If anyone takes issue with the edits, let's discuss them here. Thanks! JohnInDC (talk) 11:12, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the section could be renamed "Notable cities", and the list could be restored.--Asher196 (talk) 16:04, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Well - if "notable" were to mean any Michigan city or town with a Wikipedia article (& thus "notable") then the list would be even more unmanageable. Check out Category:Cities_in_Michigan!  JohnInDC (talk) 16:27, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Add to Troll wp article?
Residents of the Upper Peninsula are sometimes referred to as "Yoopers" (a phonetic pronunciation of "U.P.ers"), and Upper Peninsula residents sometimes refer to those from the lower as "trolls" (they live below the bridge).[46] 97.87.29.188 (talk) 20:48, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Nah, too trivial. DP 76764  (Talk) 20:49, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, that sentence should be changed. As a native of Marquette County, Michigan, I will state for the record that residents of the UP are usually referred to as Yoopers; I'd even say that we are Yoopers first and Michiganders/Michiganians second. The "sometimes" minimizes how much the word is really used in the state.  Imzadi 1979  →   21:14, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The Yooper part wouldn't be related to the Troll article. 99.56.122.147 (talk) 04:22, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * @Imzadi: do you have a source verifying that? Your own observations can't be cited, as you know. @IP: still too trivial for the troll article.  DP 76764  (Talk) 15:07, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

I noticed that the mention of Yoopers occurs both in the geography and demographics sections, maybe we should consolidate to the latter? Chris857 (talk) 04:18, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Peninsulas
Michigan simply is not a state of only two peninsulas. Beaver Island, Belle Isle, all of these islands... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_islands_of_Michigan The point I am trying to make is that the introductory paragraph can't have the statement that Michigan is made up entirely of two peninsulas, because it's a LIE. Um... How do I sign? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.238.202.228 (talk) 02:54, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, first it is awkward to say something consists "primarily" of two things when "primary" implies one. Apart from that somewhat niggling point, people don't talk about the "upper peninsula", "lower peninsula" and "various islands" of the state of Michigan.   In the scheme of things the islands are inconsequential, and to say that the state is "primarily" two peninsulas suggests that there are substantial parts of the state that aren't part of one of the peninsulas or the other.  Like, oh, Long Island and New York.  Or Maui and Hawaii.  But there's nothing to support that assertion here.  Do people really think of Belle Isle as something other than part of Michigan's lower peninsula?  Do people on Grosse Ile say, "oh, we don't live in the lower peninsula but rather, on an island"?  "Primary" is a pedantic assertion that, while perhaps accurate in a literal sense, is misleading in its "accuracy".  But the solution is simple.  Take out the adjective altogether.  While many other states might *have* two peninsulas (though none leaps immediately to mind), only Michigan "consists" of them.  JohnInDC (talk) 12:04, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Michigan resource

 * Obama looks to Mich. to revive clean energy debate Originally published January 26, 2012 at 1:32 PM Associated Press by Jeff Karoub via Seattle Times  99.190.87.151 (talk) 00:56, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Politics
"Democrats have won each of the last three, nine of the last ten, and 15 of the last 18 U.S. Senate elections in Michigan with confidence on national economic issues posing a challenge." I think this sentence needs to be updated and a "as of" date should be added so we know if it is up to date or not. Rmhermen (talk) 14:25, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. And maybe lose that last clause too, which to the limited extent it is coherent, seems to be a bit of OR.  JohnInDC (talk) 14:49, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Bath School disaster
I've edited this entry to give it at least minimal context. Personally I don't think it warrants inclusion in this main Michigan article at all - I don't see how it describes or advances the reader's understanding of the state's development, compared with other events (none of which are listed here) from around the same time, like construction of the Rouge plant, or the Ambassador Bridge, or the Flint Sit-Down strikes (see Timeline_of_Michigan_history). The event also escapes any mention in the more detailed and comprehensive Timeline_of_Michigan_history and History_of_Michigan. In short it strikes me as a random fact, really just a trivia item, listed only because it's the "worst" of a particular kind of awfulness. (If it were the 2d or 3d deadliest such event we wouldn't even be having the discussion.) If another editor wants to remove it entirely I will certainly not object. JohnInDC (talk) 14:32, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Yooper and Troll
I have yet to look for citations for those demonyms, but I do know they are accurate and common usages. The Yoopers even refer to themselves as Yoopers. People from the lower P seldom refer to themselves as trolls (which comes from the fact that they live "under" the bridge and is not derogatory in any way). I question whether they belong in this article at all though. My feeling is that they should be in the respective articles on the two peninsulas or as editorial content in the UP article. Gtwfan52 (talk) 21:07, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

More demonyms
I contend that Michigander and Michiganian both belong as demonyms in the #Population section, as references typically discuss those two on roughly equal terms. Since there is no official term, the various common usages are appropriate, and Michiganian is common enough, especially as three previous governors used Michiganian. Chris857 (talk) 03:04, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

presidential election results table removed from politics section
I removed the presidential election results table from the politics section for three reasons: Not for nuthin, I did the same thing on Indiana over a year ago and received no opposition. Gtwfan52 (talk) 05:20, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) It is WP:RECENT to only list results since 1960.  What is the possible sense in including only a short span of the history of a given subject in a table?
 * 2) The table as it existed listed the votes the Republican party candidate and the Democratic party candidate got.  Were the results from the other parties insignificant?  In at least two of the listed years, no they weren't.  Both George Wallace and H. Ross Perot drew significant percentages of the vote when they ran (Wallace twice), likely enough to move the results from one of the major party candidates to the other.
 * 3) Lastly, I really do not see what information the table portrayed in a useful way.  Most people, IMHO, vote for a person, not a party.
 * I think it should stay. First, elections since 1960 cover a span of 53 years, or about a quarter of the life of the republic - it's not just a tiny sample.  Voting trends in a state are an interesting and verifiable demographic (?) fact, and modern voting trends are really more meaningful to the average reader than how the Whig party might've fared in the state in 1840.  One or two elections would be recentism; fourteen isn't.  Second, good point - let's add in a couple other parties where they're above, say, 5%.  Finally, when it comes to presidents, I disagree.  Most people vote party, with a tiny sliver of folks in the middle who can go either way and who (for better or for worse) decide elections.  To be sure, there are occasions when someone can't stand their party's nominee and crosses lines to vote for the other fellow, but that's rare enough that they invent terms for it, e.g., "Reagan Democrats".  I bet there were lots and lots of Democrats who thought Reagan or Bush were swell fellows, but never voted for them.  Or Clinton and the Republicans.  Anyhow if this is a problem, substitute names and party affiliations for just party.
 * In short, I think the table's useful and needs just a few tweaks - not removal.  JohnInDC (talk) 11:08, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

"The U.P. is bigger than" ...
Connecticut, Delaware, Massachusetts and Rhode Island connect on a map and create a single perceptible area. They're also loaded with people. For that reason they provide an interesting point of contrast to the U.P. Even if Hawaii and Maryland are closer in square mileage to the U.P., they are not contiguous, and Hawaii is not really so densely populated (as I understand it). A comparison to the UP using those states is more confusing than enlightening. If this is too contentious a point then really we should just take the thing out. JohnInDC (talk) 18:00, 24 November 2013 (UTC)


 * That would be a good point, except Delaware isn't contiguous with the other three. Let's just drop Delaware. --Avenue (talk) 10:32, 25 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh, um, right. Thanks.  Well, then the comparison is sort of silly really.  We can drop Delaware, or the whole list, I don't care.  JohnInDC (talk) 11:52, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Ojibewe tribe vs. populace of 1800s
In the Michigan entry/article if the Ojibewe tribe numbered 25-35,000 in the 17th century why would the historical populace list start in the 1800s with less than 4,000 population for the state?" Do we know the time frame when the Ojibewe tribe would have numbered 25-35,000 and over what span of time did these numbers decrease leading up to the 1800s?

Had most of the native American's died by then?--174.19.145.122 (talk) 04:21, 17 January 2014 (UTC)R. Williams January 16, 2014
 * The historical population starts with the first census which only enumerated whites. Previous numbers are estimates and the native situation is quite complicated. Michigan estimates 15,000 Native Americans in Michigan at the time of French first contact. This was among 6 to 8 tribes who were soon disrupted by the Beaver Wars and later the Fox Wars - beside the losses to disease. Also none of the tribes lived exclusively in Michigan or even in the modern U.S., so any total for a tribe would have to be spread over the several states and province they were spread through - which changed seasonally and historically. Rmhermen (talk) 05:39, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Port Huron not an Important City?
International border, self proclaimed "Maritime Capitol of the Great Lakes", tourist destination, multiple major industries, home of Thomas Edison, sits on two major interstates and rail arteries... could someone inform me why Port Huron, Michigan is not an important city? Michi906 (talk) 00:08, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I think there's scarcely a town in Michigan that hasn't got a pleasant motto, or can't claim someone famous, or hasn't got an interstate or two through it. Bruce Catton was born in Frankfort.  Romulus has Metro Airport.  Ludington has a ferry to Wisconsin.  Grayling and Gaylord are important points of transit for people vacationing up north.  All these towns are important too, certainly to the people who live nearby, but they're not on the list either.  Just being a crossroads doesn't - to me anyhow - cut the mustard.  Perhaps I'm overlooking something native to Port Huron (about the 60th largest town / township in the state), like Kellogg's in Battle Creek, or Dow Chemical in Midland or Whirlpool in Benton Harbor, but absent something like that I don't see it.  JohnInDC (talk) 00:37, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Discrediting Port Huron because it lacks a single, predominant industry seems flawed to me. Port Huron is comparable to Sault Ste. Marie (and also double the population). Both cities are on a major border, both cities are important to the boating industry, both cities are on a major highway. If the Soo is listed, Port Huron should be too... I'm beginning to notice that the thumb is an overlooked appendage... Michi906 (talk) 02:40, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I commented on Port Huron's industrial base not to disparage the city but rather to shed light on the assertion that it is home to multiple major industries. As for Sault Ste. Marie - I would agree, were it not for the Soo Locks, which literally make possible shipping between Lake Superior and the rest of the Great Lakes, and are apparently among the busiest locks (if not *the* busiest locks) in the entire world.  My larger point again is that you can probably find something special about another fifty or so cities or towns in Michigan that make them "important" in some fashion, but there's not much value to a list that includes them all.  To me, the only thing that arguably sets Port Huron apart from lots of other places in Michigan is the Blue Water Bridge, but even then I'm not sure how that makes Port Huron "important" other than by association with something that is important.  For instance, Mackinaw City and St. Ignace are at opposite ends of the longest suspension bridge between anchorages in the western hemisphere.  JohnInDC (talk) 04:30, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I think it would be best to eliminate the list altogether. I would like to see it replaced with a map and a list of Michigan's regions instead. Let the readers decide what cities they deem to be important. Michi906 (talk) 06:48, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I've had that thought too about the list. It's hard to keep it short, and conversations like the one we are having are not that satisfying.  But on the other hand I think it's a good spot to reflect the location of some important industrial headquarters, and the locus of economically significant activity like cherry production.  As for the map, I know you are fond of it, but I think the existing map (showing the geographic distribution of largest cities) conveys more useful, and non-obvious information than a map showing that "west Michigan" is in the western part of the state, "southeastern Michigan" is in the southeast, and so forth.  The regional map, to my mind, doesn't add much; plus it (like its predecessor) is unsourced and of unknown reliability.  I would leave it out.  JohnInDC (talk) 12:51, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Agree. Get rid of the list.  "Important" is too vague a term.  If we keep a list, it should have a definite criterion, such as "Cities with populations greater than X."  Plazak (talk) 15:06, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Demonyms
The only demonym considered appropriate would be Michigander. Michiganian is outdated and yooper is considered semi-offensive light slang (though certainly not in the same ballpark as a racial slur). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.203.222.64 (talk) 15:46, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 * This has been discussed before - see Talk:Michigan/Archive_3. JohnInDC (talk) 16:06, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Also Talk:Michigan/Archive_2 JohnInDC (talk) 16:10, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Nickname
Great Lakes State or Great Lake State. This bill introduced to make it official says Lakes. Are there sources for Lake? Rmhermen (talk) 00:35, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * It can also be found as Lake, so I say do it as Lake(s). Calo1jn (talk) 17:19, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, okay - JohnInDC (talk) 18:42, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

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Import taxes
Hi all, in the chapter "Taxation" I miss the import taxes (import VAT). Customs tariffs are known and listed in the International Market Access Database, but I cannot find any information regarding import taxes. 185.46.212.50 (talk) 11:50, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't know about state "import taxes" or a "value added tax" in Michigan.
 * However, Michigan has a "Use tax" on goods purchased outside the state that are brought in and used in state. This applies to internet sales from outside Michigan. It is equivalent to the sales tax.  See Michigan Use Tax Act, Act 94 of 1937 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 14:08, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

The history of French immigration in Demographics
An editor seeks to introduce information about 17th & 18th century immigration by French settlers into the current Demographics section. My original objection was to lack of sources; my current objection is to the improper placement of this content, which is historical, not current, and is largely covered already in earlier sections re the 17th & 18th centuries. I'm soliciting comments here in the hope of heading off an edit war. Thanks. JohnInDC (talk) 01:41, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * (I've attempted to engage the editor in discussion at my Talk page here, without apparent success, so I would appreciate others' input. Thanks.)  JohnInDC (talk) 01:45, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * In the spirit of constructive editing, I removed some material that was plainly duplicative (as well as misplaced), and moved other material verbatim to a more suitable spot in the article. With luck this will satisfy everyone's concerns.  Thanks.  JohnInDC (talk) 01:59, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me. Meters (talk) 02:12, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

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Great Lakes State
Given that the state is contiguous to 4 of the 5 Great Lakes (Congress only attempted to make Lake Champlain a Great Lake, and it was dropped), plural makes more sense. It was packaged/merchandised in that plural form on various license plate slogans for many years. See Stupid Facts - License Plate Slogans. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 15:18, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Water Wonderland
 * Water Winter Wonderland
 * Great Lakes State
 * Great Lakes
 * Great Lakes Splendor
 * "Great Lake State" (singular) was on the license plate from 1968-1983, longer even than "Winter Wonderland" ('54-'64) or "Water-Winter Wonderland" ('65-'67) (see photos at Vehicle registration plates of Michigan). There are indeed several Great Lakes, but singular was what the state called itself on its license plates for 15 years, so it'd be pretty hard to leave it out of the infobox, particularly if we still are going to retain two other license plate mottos that were around for less time than that.  As for "Great Lakes State" - even though I think that's wrong, a misinterpretation of the (original, singular) motto, and it's hard to come up with a decent reliable source that actually identifies that as a motto, it seems to be lodged in enough people's brains that I'm not going to fuss about its inclusion.  I will however object to the plural-only option, as it is plainly contrary to the sources we have.  JohnInDC (talk) 15:56, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I wasn't questioning your position. Makes sense to me.  Historically accurate (See image) and a good compromise with the ambiguous historical facts.  We even have an article on the subject Vehicle registration plates of Michigan  Cheers.  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 16:01, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I looked into this a bit last night, and I was discouraged at the dearth of readily identifiable reliable sources. Both singular and plural have been widely used, including by state government, but I couldn't find anything official or scholarly or even journalistic that addressed the question. Rivertorch   FIRE WATER   16:43, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

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(the largest state by total area east of the Mississippi River)
Is this information really important or notable enough to be mentioned in the opening paragraph? 2A02:C7D:6970:6400:514B:7EFA:5789:66DD (talk) 21:10, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is. It is unique.  Size and lakes makes it so.  This is important enough to deserve prominent mention.  21:33, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Debates about importance are liable to last for ever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.79.140.168 (talk) 16:23, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

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"Trolls" (again)
I don't think it belongs in the infobox as a demonym. It's a cute little bit of trivia that people in the UP and elsewhere occasionally use to describe people from the lower peninsula, but it's not something that people (inside or outside the state) use generally to describe people from Michigan, or even people from the lower peninsula generally. People from the UP do indeed describe themselves as "Yoopers", but I don't know of anyone from the LP that describes themselves routinely as a "troll". It's a tongue-in-cheek term, not an actual, real-life reference - which is what a demonym is in the end. (Even the cited ref notes the limited usage: "Every once in a while, the term 'Troll' appears in a Michiganders conversation, especially if it’s a Yooper that’s talking. People that live in the Lower Peninsula are jokingly called 'trolls' because they live under the Mackinac Bridge.")

For these reasons I intend to take it back out, but figured I should lay out my reasons! Discuss. JohnInDC (talk) 18:01, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Now you know someone from the lower that describes himself as a "Troll." This is well sourced.  That you don't like it, use it, ascribe to it, or endorse it is irrelevant.  I intend to put it back.  With more sources if needs be.   Cheers.  <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 18:31, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
 * These are not Demonyms, that is, referents derived from the name of the place. They are cute nicknames that the residents of the state apply to themselves, again, in a tongue-in-cheek manner.  It's like putting "snowbirds" in the Florida infobox as a demonym.  In truth, "Yooper" shouldn't be there either.  And - you know, if we're going to include "trolls" then there's really no argument for not including "fudgie", which is cited in the article you note; and really, that's just going too far.  Maybe, *maybe* these names find their way into the text of the article, if they can be worked in smoothly; but not in the infobox, which summarizes core information about a place.  JohnInDC (talk) 02:39, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually, "No." As referenced in the wikipedia article, the first sentence of Demonym is "A demonym (/ˈdɛmənɪm/; δῆμος dẽmos "people, tribe", ὄνομα ónoma "name") is a word that identifies residents or natives of a particular place, which is derived from the name of that particular place.  <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 02:44, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Then we're in agreement. Demonyms are "derived from the name of that particular place".  So, Michigander, Michiganian are okay to be sure.  Maybe "Yooper" (deriving as it does from "U.P."); but not "troll" or "fudgie", which don't.  Right?  JohnInDC (talk) 02:56, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Indeed, "Yooper" and "troll" are already in the article text (I thought I remembered that) and "fudgie" could be added there too easily enough (the source is already a ref). I think it's pretty inside baseball TBH, but - eh.  It's sourced.  JohnInDC (talk) 03:03, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I removed "troll" but left "Yooper" in the infobox - I'm kind of on the fence on that one, but it can be tied to the name of the place so it is at least in the ballpark. JohnInDC (talk) 12:38, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

I gather that you now concede it belongs in the article. I would prefer to keep it in the infobox. On that issue, I am hoping others will weigh in; you and I are at loggerheads. I won't edit war about it, but I reserve the right to restore it once consensus goes against your interpretation. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 12:44, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I never minded it being in the article! I think that's the right place for it.  And, naturally, if consensus goes against me I would expect you or someone to restore it - no hard feelings.  Thanks.  JohnInDC (talk) 13:06, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Hard feelings are not appropriate or helpful. They don't change a thing.  And they would get in the way of our building our encyclopædia together.  So yes, no hard feelings.  <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 13:10, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2017
Under "Politics" change the 17 electoral votes won in 2012 to 16 electoral votes. 24.176.59.71 (talk) 01:22, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Done. JohnInDC (talk) 01:27, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

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suggest adding this citation http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1205489/ after text below 4.1 Population: The Hmong community also had a prominent portrayal in the 2008 film Gran Torino, which was set in Detroit. 162.233.220.171 (talk) 03:31, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the suggestion. We normally don't use IMDb as a source though because it has user-contributed content.  Imzadi 1979  →   06:23, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 23 September 2018
change (Ojibwe word) to (Ojibwe) word 70.176.226.206 (talk) 19:48, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 26 November 2018
I feel we should edit this page to address how much people in Flint, Michigan have lead in their water, also I feel we should add the coldest temperature ever in Michigan because here in Michigan we're cold ass motha fuckas PhantomTanuem (talk) 19:11, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The article already shows the coldest temperature (see Climate section) and the water crisis has its own article at Flint_water_crisis, which is linked to from the Flint article. RudolfRed (talk) 19:30, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 January 2019
Update the governor (Gretchen Whitmer) and lieutenant governor (Garlin Gilchrist II). Vt1997 (talk) 16:54, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done It looks like this is already done. If an update is still needed, please state the section of the page or the sentence/sentences that needs/need updating. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:26, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 11 March 2019
Under 'transportation' and under "Roadways," in the last sentence of the 6th entry on US Highway 23, remove the duplicate period at the end. Cappy 18:12, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Thanks for catching that. RudolfRed (talk) 18:37, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Confirmed Tornado...
The WNEM TV5 news just reported a tornado beginning in Owosso at 19'00, heading NE… The population count of the cities in it's path will definitely change… -24.180.87.149 (talk) 23:10, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Casinos
In the casino area of tourism, a property in Windsor, Canada is mentioned. While it may be appropriate for the Detroit page, I don't think a city in another country is appropriate for a state-specific page. Opinions welcome. Patsfan1112 (talk) 06:55, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 August 2019
The coordinates "Latitude" and "Longitude" under the infobox for this page should be converted to a coordinates parameter so that they can be "clickable" links to additional GIS information. Most other Wikipedia pages about places display this type of information in this way. Thank you for your assistance! 2600:1006:B10E:A7EB:595:F417:52C7:AF92 (talk) 14:58, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The infobox does not have a parameter for this. Instead, the coordinates are at the upper-right corner of the article. A quick spot check of other US states show the same thing. This is probably something that you'd want a consensus for, since it would involve changing the infobox itself, and likely the box of every US state. I'd suggest heading to Template talk:Infobox U.S. state to discuss that. - Frood (talk!) 19:48, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

"Micigan" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Semi-protected edit request on 19 November 2019
Add Alpena as a notable city, with the US headquarters of Lafarge-Holcim, a major cement company. 97.85.33.105 (talk) 23:59, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
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That is a really weird name. Bernspeed (talk) 19:05, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

That is a really weird word. Bernspeed (talk) 19:05, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 June 2020
Please add Del Shannon to the list of famous Michigan musicians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8801:C600:155:5CCC:BED1:7A02:9B93 (talk) 18:58, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. &mdash; JohnFromPinckney (talk) 20:34, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Citation easily found (and cited better than others in the list). Done. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 23:40, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 June 2020
Change "approximately 10 million" to "about 10 million" Blawky66 (talk) 10:27, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * No reason to. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 15:10, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

The population density is wrong
The population density in the article do not add up, if there is 9,883,635 in population and the area is 96,716 sq mi. The population density should be 9,883,635/96,716 = 102/sq mi not 174/sq mi. Pahlsson (talk) 12:04, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Split politics section to new article
The Politics of Michigan is a topic of particular current interest. Here are some potential sources of information: -- M2545 (talk) 12:53, 10 September 2020 (UTC) I'm not sure there's a need for a separate article; that "current interest" could prove transitory. But I'd advise TheKingLives that speculative personal commentary about the topic isn't helpful. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 17:06, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Category:Politics of Michigan
 * Search engines for scholarly sources:
 * Google Scholar
 * Core.ac.uk (Open access research papers)
 * Base-search.net
 * Support. My apologies if this is not the correct area to vote, but it is clear Michigan is transitioning away from a Democratic stronghold (yay!) and into decidedly purple territory. I think a dedicated article is warranted. TheKingLives (talk) 23:28, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I've split the article out to Politics of Michigan, though it needs significant expansion (and the section in Michigan needs to be trimmed, of course, probably to the first paragraph). Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 22:30, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks Elli! And thanks for the laugh Jason. I'll remember how upset it made you when I write my next one xD TheKingLives (talk) 03:53, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I wasn't upset, just pointing out that it was an unconstructive distraction. Trying to upset people isn't a great strategy on WP (or in life). Please read Civility. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 12:36, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Audio file for Anthem/Official song is incorrect
The audio file that plays for the anthem is incorrect as it plays "O Tannenbaum" which is the tune to "Michigan, My Michigan" whereas the song that is titled is "My Michigan." It may be very difficult to find a correct audio file as the official song "My Michigan" is under copyright until 2031. Should the incorrect audio be removed and replaced with nothing if it is not possible to include a correct audio? Should it be listed separately as an unofficial anthem and the listing of "My Michigan" be changed to "official song" rather than anthem? Aenet1405 (talk) 16:37, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I have removed the incorrest file. I don't know if the infobox can handle other songs? Rmhermen (talk) 23:14, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 February 2021
Add a little paragraph stating that Ohio had cut off Michigan's land, so technically, Michigan has three peninsulas. Aceofspades1229 (talk) 23:29, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – robertsky (talk) 00:15, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The Toledo War is already mentioned. The bit about "three peninsulas" doesn't make sense. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 03:33, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 February 2021
Start with: "Also known as the great lake state" Thpsp (talk) 16:28, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The opening sentence says "state in the Great Lakes", and the nickname is near the top of the infobox at the top of the article. We don't need to repeat it any more than that. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 16:43, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

IPA is wrong
/ˈmɪʃɪɡən/ implies the final syllable is pronounced like gun. It's pronounced gin and the IPA should be /ˈmɪʃɪɡɪn/. Batterybreaker (talk) 23:13, 5 April 2021 (UTC)


 * This is a dialect thing, actually. casualdejekyll (talk) 16:26, 30 July 2021 (UTC)


 * "ɡən" is not pronounced like "gun". It's an ambiguous unstressed vowel... schwa is correct. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 16:35, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 April 2021
One of the earthquake sentences doesn't make sense. Please remove

Michigan rarely experiences earthquakes, thus far mostly smaller ones that do not cause significant damage.

and add

Michigan rarely experiences earthquakes, and those that it does experience are generally smaller ones that do not cause significant damage.

64.203.186.119 (talk) 14:23, 6 April 2021 (UTC)"Done. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 15:05, 6 April 2021 (UTC)"

List of Top Michigan Companies
Hello. The list of top publicly traded companies in Michigan lists Masco twice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BigTeamBleu (talk • contribs) 13:33, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * It's a really good company. Well, okay, I'll take a look. &mdash; JohnFromPinckney (talk / edits) 00:31, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Fixed, sort of. The Masco at #27 was Metaldyne Performance until last March, when the template was edited which supplies the table here. Unfortunately, we don't have a source newer than 2015 for that table (and the source we did have is now 404 itself), so we can't clean up the table any better than to revert the name change in the template (Metaldyne is what the company was called back then, after all, although it's since become Masco), which I've done for now. &mdash; JohnFromPinckney (talk / edits) 00:51, 23 July 2021 (UTC)