Talk:Michigan Stadium/Archive 1

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Potential Capacity
There's two quotes in this articles about how much the stadium can be expanded. One says the max is 150,000, the other says 200,000 (in the history section). They should match! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.241.170.18 (talk) 05:15, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Current capacity
At other pages, there has been disagreement about the capacity of the Big House so I'll put the discussion here. The Michigan Stadium website still says 107,501. However, a Detroit News article says 106,201. Which number should be used? It is probable that the stadium website has simply not been updated yet. Patken4 (talk) 14:09, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Well now it looks largely settled at 109,901. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pedro441 (talk • contribs) 13:56, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Stadium Quote
I would like to question the quote listed in the first paragraph of the article, as I have never heard of "The Carnegie Hall of all Sports" - what is the source for this quote. I did a cursory search with google, and all references to the quote refer back to here.

Sspitsbergen (talk) 21:35, 29 January 2010 (UTC) Sean Spitsbergen


 * I'd never heard of it either but found a US News quote as a source. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that they'd collected it from Wikipedia - that article post-dates this one and Wikipedia's a good source for a quick and dirty outline - but there it is.  Sourced.  It wouldn't offend me if someone took it out.  Curiously, the far more common "House that Yost Built" is tougher to provide a citation for.  A Google search confirms that, indeed, the stadium is quite frequently referred to as such but none of the references (as far as I got) look to amount to "reliable sources" to my eyes.  Further effort invited.  JohnInDC (talk) 19:36, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Largest "football" stadium in the US
For years I've heard the capacity of this stadium qualified in some fashion - "largest college-owned stadium in the US" or "largest football-specific stadium in the US" - and have never been able to figure out what stadium of *any* kind is bigger in the US. Does anyone have any insight on this? JohnInDC (talk) 19:38, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Michigan Stadium is the largest stadium in the United States, period.VictorsValiant09 (talk) 06:19, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

The "football" Part is because racing stadiums like Talladega can hold 200,000 or so but of course they are built around a 2 or 3 mile track instead of 100 yards so most people dont count them. Some people might also now be talking about the Dallas Cowboy's stadium which has a seated capacity of 80,000 but an official standing room of another 31,000 making the technical capacity 111,000 so that may be where the "college" part comes from (but the record attendance so far there is like 108,000) Basically though there are ways to say Michigan isnt the biggest but in terms of normal (non-racing stadiums), actual seating, and record attendance Michigan is the biggest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.114.91.226 (talk) 09:57, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Picture
I think that we need to find a new picture, since the current one is outdated without the luxury boxes on either side.VictorsValiant09 (talk) 17:17, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. For now, let's just swap it with one of the panoramas from the rest of the article. -- MichiganCharms (talk) 21:31, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

I added a photo, you all can judge where it should go, it is a filled stadium so it looks more pleasing than during the public opening. But the choice is yours. AndrewHorne (talk) 03:48, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

University of Michigan Project
University of Michigan is not represented with a project at Category:WikiProject Universities. Please comment at Talk:University_of_Michigan.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:10, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

"Largest crowd"
An editor has been removing sourced material concerning at least one college game played at Soldier Field in the 1920s that apparently drew more fans than the 113,090 recorded at Michigan Stadium against Connecticut in 2010. The editor says that the earlier figure is "irrelevant", unofficial, approximate and poorly sourced. I can find no particular fault with the sourcing, which is unqualified and is from the official Soldier Field website. (Link here.) The figure is not recognized by the NCAA as "official" but the NCAA itself notes that its records date only to 1948, when such records were first maintained by NCAA, and thus the NCAA's acknowledgment or lack of it cannot be said to establish anything one way or the other about the 1920s figures. (See here, about 3/5 of the way in.) The explanatory text deleted by the IP editor read to the effect that the 113,090 was the "modern" record, and then noted the Soldier Field games. That formulation is consistent with the sources - and with the facts - and barring objections from other editors I intend shortly to restore this reliably sourced and undisputed information along with the original, suitably qualifying language. JohnInDC (talk) 01:46, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

2013 NHL Winter Classic
So far, it's just a rumor. See http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2012/01/18/report-2013-winter-classic-to-be-played-at-big-house/. Also, the event - if and when it actually takes place - is almost two years away. Once it's official, we can add a sentence or two of text to the article. Then after it's played perhaps a suitable brief report of the match can be included. In any event, though, this rumored, future and one-time event really doesn't belong in the article's infobox. JohnInDC (talk) 19:51, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Big Chill attendance
i notice that the attendance figure for the Big Chill is not listed in the top 10 attendance chart. i see the remark about the Guinness-certified attendance just above that, but if i recall, the announced attendance at the game itself (113,411) was calculated by the University using the same counting method as for football games, and Guinness' figure was lower because they used a stricter standard — something like paid ticketholders only, instead of everybody in the stadium including media, staff, teams, etc. if the 113,411 number was in fact counted the same way as the football games listed in the chart, shouldn't it be included? and in the event that the 2013 Winter Classic day-of announced attendance is large enough, should it also make the chart? —Ed Cormany (talk) 17:27, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

"Significant events" section
I've just removed a good faith addition, a table entitled "Significant Events", which described two Division II football games, a lacrosse game, The Big Chill from last year, and an NHL event that hasn't happened yet. While the table was nicely formatted and contained a good deal of information, it suffered in my view several essential problems. First, "significance" is a vague term, and certainly arguable for these events in the context of this stadium. One of the two Division II games (apparently) was the largest attendance at a Division II game - an interesting fact perhaps and important to Division II football but borderline trivial in this context. The other Division II game is a fun snippet of stadium history perhaps but not otherwise important in any way that I can see. The lacrosse game was - well, a lacrosse game with 4,000 people attending. Significant for the newly-constituted varsity lacrosse team but not for the stadium. Finally, the Big Chill is already described in the article, and the NHL event is still in the future. In short I think that the table was mislabeled, and that to the extent that any of these events are significant, they can be captured in prose in the text (as at least one of them already is). JohnInDC (talk) 20:40, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I forgot to note that none of the events have separate Wikipedia articles, and the claims for their significance were unsourced as well. JohnInDC (talk) 20:53, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

New Picture
I just uploaded a new picture from 2012 that's would be a little more up-to-date than the current one. Not a photography person so I don't know if the quality is high enough to put it up top. Someone else can move it up if they feel it's good enough.
 * It's a nice picture but I'm not sure what it really adds to the article - there are several pictures already that show the field and full stands, and thereby give the reader a good idea of what the place looks like. JohnInDC (talk) 16:18, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

"Official" capacity at opening
The stadium's original, designed capacity was 72,000. Before it was opened, bleachers were added to increase capacity. One or two sources say that the bleachers brought the total to 84,401 and a couple of others say 82,000. Each of the sources is an official UM source. They are:


 * UM Bentley Historical library - 72,000 + "bleachers" = official capacity of 82,000


 * Official UM athletic web site - 72,000 designed capacity plus 10,000 bleachers brought capacity to 84,401


 * UM web site - 72,000 originally, plus 10,000 bleachers makes official capacity of 84,401

I've changed the article text to reflect an official capacity of 82,000, not 84,401, because 1) the math is better on the agreed figures of 72,000 original plus 10,000 bleachers 2) the 84,401 was the actual size of the dedication crowd and Michigan attendance figures always exceed stated capacity; and 3) the tradition of ending official stadium capacity in "-01" didn't start until 1955. See http://www.mgoblue.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/062008aaa.html.  JohnInDC (talk) 13:20, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Largest in capasity in whole Americas
The stadium is the largest in capasity in whole Americas (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stadiums_by_capacity). I think it must be mentioned in the article about it. 217.76.1.22 (talk) 13:40, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
 * If you credit the Wikipedia listing (bearing in mind that Wikipedia is not a reliable source), it's not only the largest stadium in the Americas but in the western hemisphere. It is also the largest stadium not located in Asia.  There are lots of different ways to talk about its largeness.  "Largest in the United States and the Americas" is not only awkward but insufficiently superlative, whereas "largest capacity outside of Asia" reads like the answer to a trivia question.  "Largest in the western hemisphere and and third largest in the world" comes close to stating it correctly, but begins to feel - I don't know, misleading or incomplete given that the largest crowd in MIchigan Stadium history is only 64th on the List_of_sporting_venues_with_a_highest_attendance_of_100,000_or_more (which, admittedly, includes many non-stadium events).  Given that it's more than just the largest in the US, I think the sentence could be adjusted a bit but it'd be good to avoid these concerns.  JohnInDC (talk) 14:45, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Going back and looking at that whole intro paragraph, I think the stadium's capacity in the scheme of things is pretty well handled already. Third largest in the world (noting that different rules appear to apply to auto venues etc.) - there's no shortage of information there, and dicing it up further (Americas, western hemisphere, not-Asia) just adds clutter.  JohnInDC (talk) 16:46, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Official Name
This article should probably mention that the Stadium has two official names. "Michigan Stadium and "Memorial Stadium". The Memorial Stadium name was added in 1945, and the University's official list of buildings also includes this name.

The first link doesn't work and the second has no mention of Memorial Stadium. (19 March 2014) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.95.126.178 (talk) 14:55, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Capacity
Isn't the official capacity now 109,901? Did it drop at some point to 107,501? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.42.208.184 (talk) 19:55, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The stadium was downsized slightly before the 2015 season. See the official athletic web site, here:  http://www.mgoblue.com/facilities/michigan-stadium.html  JohnInDC (talk) 20:03, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Addition of Real Madrid Vs. Manchester United Photo
I added this last photo to the gallery because I felt that this is was an important time in the history of Michigan Stadium and the United States as the most played sport in the world attracted over 100,000 fans to Ann Arbor. Please let me know if there is any disagreements over this change or if anything needs to be fixed. Thank you. Cpawlik2113 (talk) 01:01, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Looks like a nice photo, interesting to see a stadium full of non-UM colors! JohnInDC (talk) 01:30, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2017: Google INCORRECTLY cites stadium for "highest attendance at a college football game"
As initially stated in the headline, Google indexes U of Michigan's football stadium for hosting the highest attendance of a college football game. According to multiple sources, the record for "highest attendance at a college football game" (115,109), was broken by Tennessee and Virginia Tech. in 2016, when 156,990 people attended their matchup at Bristol Motor Speedway. [SB Nation, 10 Sept. 2016, https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/9/10/12867096/virginia-tech-tennessee-battle-bristol-attendance-most-ever).   The suggestion stems from a statement located,2nd paragraph 4th sentence of the introductory paragraph, stating,     "On September 7, 2013, the game between Michigan and the Notre Dame Fighting Irish attracted a crowd of 115,109, a record attendance for a college football game since 1927, and an NCAA single-game attendance record at the time,[10] overtaking the 114,804 record set two years previously for the same match up." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Stadium; accessed: 8 Dec. 2017).

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 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: You are correct that this is Google's issue, not ours. The statement: "...crowd of 115,109, a record attendance for a college football game since 1927, and an NCAA single-game attendance record at the time." makes it clear that this record has not been updated and only applies as of the date specified.  Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 05:02, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 29 September 2019
This article is a decade out of date. Let's start with this: 1). Change the official capacity from 107,601 to 109,901 (the stadium was expanded in 2010; the Wikipedia article's reference is from 2008 - see https://www.michigandaily.com/content/renovated-big-house-opens-its-doors-new-capacity-announced) Jtwikiedit (talk) 00:18, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Melmann 14:27, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 September 2019
1). Update Reference 10 to this one: http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/2019/Attend.pdf (a 2019 reference that continues to support the statements that cite Reference 10, which is a 2011 reference). 2). After Reference 10 is updated (see above), include it as a reference for the 4th sentence of the the last paragraph of the History->Early History section (i.e., as a reference for this sentence: "Since November 8, 1975, the stadium has held over 100,000 fans for every home game.[19]" 2). Add the following sentence to the first paragraph: "24 of the 25 highest single-game attendances in NCAA history have occurred in the Big House." Reference: http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/2019/Attend.pdf Jtwikiedit (talk) 00:12, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Sceptre (talk) 15:31, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Out of Date
It would be helpful if someone could update this article. Much of the data is old, such as the number on the streak of games with 100,000+ fans (the data is from 2006). Thanks! JParksT2023 (talk) 20:54, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Logo
I don't believe this is the stadium's official logo, at least the logo that was just put in by @TheGreatAugustan, I see no evidence on the official stadium website, that this is the logo, does anyone know of this being the logo? The place where the uploader sourced it from was a secondary source, which for this case does not seem to be ideal. Lectrician2 (talk) 02:42, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

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