Talk:Mick Foley/Archive 1

Time Magazine Man of the Year Fiasco
Could someone research the Time Magazine Man of the Year fiasco and add it to the article? It's a very notable moment. The way I remember it going down is that a Wrestling newsgroup (this was 1998 and Usenet was still popular) encouraged wrestling fans to go to Time.com and vote for Mick Foley as Time Magazine's Man of the Year. Mick Foley had an overwhelming lead in the poll and should have been named Man of the Year, but Time Magazine decided to strike his name from the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.236.70.36 (talk) 05:37, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

That's how I understand it too, it was mentioned in a loading screen on SvR 08. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.72.72.249 (talk) 15:31, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Where his different characters are billed from is a little inaccurate
Since I'm not a regular contributor and I cannot edit the Foley page I would like to ask somebody to please amend the location which Dude Love is billed from, from Long Island, New York to Truth or Consequences, New Mexico. Dude was being billed from there well before Cactus was and every youtube video I watch of a Dude Love match he is billed from Truth or Consequences. It was my absolute favourite introduction. An example can be found here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD2R8feSsbI Kind regards!

Air America Radio / liberal political views
I added in a couple of sentences about Mick's guest-host stints on Air America. Perhaps someone can expand that into a small section about his liberal political views, which seem to be something of a rarity among pro wrestlers. 65.170.194.210 10:52, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Acting/Stranglemania
I edited his acting section as it referred to his movie with ICP. The first "Stranglemania" release were in fact Japanese matches from the IWA King of the Deathmatch tournament. --RevAladdinSane 07:55, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Hosed sentence
"Foley last appeared as Dude Love in 1998, but recently appeared as Dude Love on a October 2005 episode of RAW hyping a match "Pick the face of Foley" with Carlito at Taboo Tuesday 2005."

That sentence doesn't make much sense as it's written. If Dude Love appeared in both 1998 and 2005, then they can't both be the most recent appearance. Was the 1998 appearance the last wrestling appearance of Dude Love, while the 2005 appearance was simply promotional?


 * I failed to sign the aboved "hosed sentence" comment. - Takeel 16:24, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

The 2005 appearance was solely promotional to build hype for Taboo Tuesday 2005. If the appearance of a gimmick does not have anything to do with that particular gimmick wrestling in a match, then it does not constitute as an official appearance. For instance, when Cactus Jack appeared in the same segment it did not constitute as an official appearance which makes the Hell in a Cell match against Triple H at No Way Out 2000 the last official appearance of Cactus Jack. [[User:K-man1|K-man

The act was promotional 98" was Dude loves last match. AND STARTED TO SUCK

Organize
I'm suggesting that we should seperate the sections according to Foley's 3 personas (Cactus Jack, Mankind and Dude Love). Edraf 11:54, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe that having a section for each of these main personas is a good idea, but I'm not so sure that it's a good idea to base the entire article around that concept. --Takeel 14:56, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Lord revan 15:25, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I think each persona should have their own page,with elaborate information on their persona,history,characteristics etc. etc.,i think that could turn out quite interesting.

I think each persona should have an article on this page, but not seprate pages all together.

he has FOUR characters, since he also wrestled as "Mick Foley"; more than any other pro wrestler.

Billing
I'm sure I remember when Mick first started out as Mankind he was billed as being from 'The Boiler Room' I was just wondering wether we should change his Billed From area on his info box to include this, if it is correct. MightyMightyFoe 23:52 14 February 2006

yes he was, mankind was stated to be from the boiler room on the warzone game for the original Playstation.

Birthplace
I was a little annoyed by the birthplace problem. Mick was actually born in Bloomington, Indiana and his family moved to Long Island after. The problem is I can't really find a dependable source and there's a lot of misinformation on the matter on the internet. Could I reference his book? This is where I'm getting this. kingpin388 18:39, 25 February 2006
 * I think his book would be as dependable as needed. Unless you want to request his birth certificate or something :)  --Atari2600tim (talk • contribs) 18:50, 25 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Birth certificate? Not a bad idea... kingpin388 2:05, 26 February 2006


 * Alright the birth certificate thing went nowhere. kingpin388 2:21, 15 March 2006

well,if he says so in his book it must be true Lord revan 10:29, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

He was not from bloomington. That was an idea he suggested for his hometown for his Cactus Jack persona. He's from Long Island. -sithboy7 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sithboy7 (talk • contribs) 00:10, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Books
It might be worth adding more to the section about his books; as it is, the article sounds like (and probably was) written by a bunch of wrestling fans who haven't read any of the non-wrestling books. (I'm guilty of this too!) Bcarlson33 11:25, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree, he had some very good reads. Whopper 03:59, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Length
Holy moley, this article is waaaaaay too long and has waaaaay too many sub-sub-sub-sub-categories. Any thoughts on where we should start trimming? Bcarlson33 04:04, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Listen, if his article is that long what does that tell you? IT TELLS YOU THAT HE IS ONE OF THE MOST SUCCESSFULL PROFESSIONAL WRESTLERS OF ALL TIME!!!! IF NOT THE MOST SUCCESSFULL PROFESSIONAL WRESTLER OF ALL TIME!!!!! IF THE ARTICLE WAS SHORT PEOPLE WOULD JUST LOOK AT IT AND THINK "Oh this guy wrestled some okay matches and wrote a couple of books."!!!!!! THAT IS NOT THE KIND OF CREDIT THAT THE HARDCORE LEGEND DESERVES!!! MICK FOLEY DESERVES ALOT MORE CREDIT THAN THAT YOU DIMWITTED FOOL WHO JUST CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO READ A LONG ARTICLE. K-man-1 P.S: Please do not take offence to that. I'm just trying to prove a point, not to be rude.

Um, yeah, thanks for that. Anyway, I've been working to cut down on the excessive detail; feel free to join in, everyone. Bcarlson33 16:42, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Funny(because it's way too much) but seriously Bcarlson just wants to shorten the article because it's above the preferred article size. I haven't really helped with that and umm...I'm not really sure how to. kingpin388 14:40, 23 April 2006 (UTC-5)

Featured article
i think this article should be nominated as a featured article,it is easily one of the,if not the best,wrestler biography on this site.


 * Wow but what does "it exemplifies out best work" mean? Alright could we all figure out how to make this article "exemplary"? kingpin388 14:21, 29 March 2006 (UTC-5)

According to the "voters" : "images need sourcing and fair use rationales."

"Also, the article is 69kb long, which is pretty big. Finally, the images should be a little more evenly and cleanly distributed throughout the article, and at least one free image would be nice (though not key) for a bio."

"once trivia section is edited. Good article!"

basically,we need to trim the article,remove some of the useless trivia,"source" the images. and remove the useless info in his bio. Lord revan 05:25, 30 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Do all the pictures need "sourcing"? I have to admit I created a reason to keep the Mankind Beyond the Mat photo just because I really liked it. Somebody else actually posted it, and I can only presume where they got it. kingpin388 11:35, 30 March 2006 (UTC-5)

actually i have no idea what "sourcing" means,but then again,most of those WP guidelines pages are so friggin hard to understand.

PS : i have uploaded another Cactus Jack photo,if anyones interested. PPS : great job on trimming kingpin Lord revan 17:29, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm a big fan of Foley's so I'd love to see this article make FA, but it needs a lot of work. One of the focuses needs to be copyediting it, because a lot of it is sloppy right now from a style and grammar standpoint. I'm going to start working on that particular aspect of things. For the record, sourcing the images is (if I'm not mistaken) crediting where you got it from; best bets are from official and reputable sites. Frackintoaster 23:26, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Injuries
do we really need the WHOLE list? i mean,its pretty bg,its like listing the ladders jeff hardy has done a swanton off Lord revan 05:05, 31 March 2006 AND NOW I HATE!!!

Why not? He has a diagram of them on the back of his first book, and released a t-shirt listing them, they don't take up much space, perfect for the trivia section I reckon. 82.31.97.209 18:19, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Why not just show the image from the back of the book? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.72.72.249 (talk) 15:35, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

It's too long. Better to put a couple of the most impressive/scary injuries and then point people toward the book if they want the whole list. "Foley has sustained eight concussions, nine broken arms, two black eyes, etc. The back cover of Have a Nice Day includes a diagram of his many injuries." Something like that makes more sense than a gigantic list. Bcarlson33 18:58, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of Injuries, the Wikipedia article mentions that The Undertaker had a broken jaw:

"At one point they planned on having him wear a mask which they planned for Undertaker to wear when he broke his jaw"

'Taker never had a broken jaw. He had a fractured orbital bone thanks to Mable dropping elbows/biceps (or was it a botched leg drop?) on his face. That is why he needed the mask to protect his face around the eye area instead of the jaw. 'Taker could open, close, and move his mouth/lower jaw with no problem, thus I doubt his jaw was broken. Mick points out about the mask (which was a reject from the UT mask project,) on page 367 in his book, Have a Nice Day.

Thanks, ZeldasLullaby


 * It was a leg drop to the back of the head. I remember seeing it on TV; pretty painful-looking. Bcarlson33 22:01, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Where'd Cactus Jack come from?
"Foley formally trained at Dominic DeNucci's wrestling school in Pennsylvania, debuting in June 1985. In addition to appearing on DeNucci's cards, Foley and several other students also took part in some squash matches for WWE TV tapings. The group also made several tours of African countries.

After several years of wrestling in the independent circuit, Foley began receiving offers from various regional promotions; he credits a mention in the Wrestling Observer Newsletter for generating interest in him. Foley's next stop would Memphis-based CWA, where he teamed with Gary Young as part of the Stud Stable. Cactus and Young briefly held the CWA tag titles in late 1988. [2] On November 20, Foley left CWA after being defeated in a Loser-Leaves-Town match and went to Texas-based World Class Championship Wrestling(later USWA).[3]"

In these two paragraphs it switches straight from his debut to calling him Cactus Jack. When I originally put these paragraphs in it did explain when he was first called that and the name he debuted under was here too("Cactus Jack Manson", from an original version. I believe it was was moved down to the next paragraph). My point is that it should explain the name he debuted as in the sentence "debuting in June 1985" or elsewhere. Maybe it should be explained how he came up with the name (although making the article even longer probably isn't a good idea). Didn't he originally want the name "Cactus Jack Foley" because of his father or a relative? I can't remember where he thought of it. 207.38.226.34 20:14, 28 April 2006 (UTC)


 * IDK, but it mentions something in Have a Nice Day about it.... i dunno what it was exactly, but it has the orgin of the name Doc Strange 12:48, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup
Some of the later sections of his career need to be cleaned up... they're a little crufty. Good rule of thumb is that the entire feud doesn't need to be chronicled, just the notable highpoints. Frackintoaster 15:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Trivia Section
It's gotta go. But is there anything in there that could be incorporated somewhere else in the article because it crosses the threshold from "interesting" to "important"? Frackintoaster 21:14, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Clean up
I tagged the article for clean up. 73kb is way too big. The career sections should be summarized using summary style and the details should be moved to their own article. The succession boxes can be replaced by lists. --Jtalledo (talk) 11:40, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I removed "Foley got the idea for the gimmick from Leatherface", as his book says it was Creative's idea. CanadianRed 05:08, 26 June 2006 (UTC)BLA BLA BLA

Mr. Socko a weapon?
How could you call Mr. Socko a weapon? I don't really see it as one. It came about later in the Mankind gimmick, but to say it's a weapon is a stretch. Mr. C.C. (talk <-> contribs) (review me) 06:00, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Good point. It should be removed from there. It's more of a prop than anything else. --Jtalledo (talk) 11:51, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

its part of his attire, although he does use it to gain an advantage, it is no more of a weapon than rikishi's thong when he does the stinkface 81.110.2.1 11:15, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

it should come back --82.23.235.59 22:26, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay then, list a REASON why it should come back. --PlaguedKiller —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.130.21 (talk) 23:45, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Retired??
Since 2000 Mick Foley has appeared on wwf/wwe television numurous times. And has also been in a few feuds such as with Randy Orton and more recently with Ric Flair. I personally think that the retired section in the infobox should be left blank for the time being since he is still technically active. Bill102 22:38, 17 July 2006 (UTC) i dont know how you could count robots as active that aint wrestling!

Terrible Picture
Seriously, I know we can do better than a faded out family photograph for Mick Foley, one of the most important wrestling personalities of his day. --Pathogen 01:54, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Are you referring to Image:Mick_Foley.jpg? In that case, I'm not sure where the gripe is - it's a good quality image, with Foley looking straight at the camera (unlike some of the free wrestler photos) and it's free. --Jtalledo (talk)
 * Who cares if he is looking straight at the camera? Any of those other pictures you're referencing are still of far better quality than this one. A photograph taken by a professional will have better definition, look "professional" (as it were) and for that matter not look like an eye-sore. Long story short, that picture is awful. I would take a side profile of George W. Bush or something over a poorly-lit family photo. Consider the appearance of the "official" Bush picture that is put up in government offices. --Pathogen 20:54, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


 * The current image is fine. Not every article has to have a studio quality photograph. McPhail 00:08, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * "Who cares...?" I take umbrage to that. It's hard to find good free photos. Anybody can do a Google Image search, upload an image here and slap a fair use tag on it. Take a look at Image use policy, which says "As a general rule of thumb, Wikipedia allows low-resolution images of copyrighted material if they are unlikely to affect the potential market for the material, are used for the purposes of analysis or criticism, and for which there is no alternative, non- or free-copyrighted replacement available"
 * There is an alternative here. It's a picture of Mick Foley - not of Dude Love, Catcus Jack or Mankind and Foley is the subject of this article. If we cared as much about the infobox pictures as much we did as the article, then this article wouldn't be a 70KB clean up case. --Jtalledo (talk) 19:45, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * If you want to upload another photo, even if it is fair use, fine. I've had my fill about arguing with people about how "terrible" the pictures in the infoboxes are. I'll stick to editing the text. --Jtalledo (talk) 19:47, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup and verb forms
Obviously, there is way too much content here. I would not be opposed to someone just picking up the razor and going nuts making cuts. Additionally, this article should mostly be in the PAST tense. The word "would" is in this article 70+ times, and nearly every time it described an event that happened, not something that conditionally would happen. For instance: "After several years of wrestling...Foley's next stop would be Memphis-based CWA." Would it be? Or was it? He wrestled there, so that WAS his next stop. Cut first, then go through and change all the tense mistakes. If I have a lot of free time one of these days, I may go through and do it myself. Croctotheface 09:13, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

The initial picture should sort of encapsulate the man and his craft. I think a picture from one of Mick's bloody wars would be best, with lots of blood and barbed wire everywhere. After all, Mick is the most famous of all the "hardcore" wrestlers WHICH NOW I CHANGED MY MIND BECAUSE FINLAY IS.

Huey Foley?
I can't find a source for Huey Foley, except that it would be pretty funny if Mick named his sons Huey and Dewey. Google searches indicated that Randy Orton mentioned "Huey" at some point during the feud, and then I found a forum post from someone who said that there actually was a Huey. Otherwise, no sources. If there is a real source for the Huey Foley, feel free to put the information back with a citation. In the meantime, I'll keep reverting it. Croctotheface 02:35, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, so, Foley himself mentioned Huey on TV yesterday. I'm inclined to consider that a reliable enough source, unless he's actually doing it to confuse the fans. I wouldn't be opposed to someone putting it in the article. Croctotheface 00:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

JR wished Huey a happy birthday during Foley's Entrance at WM 20


 * Foley talks a little about his youngest son Huey (as well as middle son Mickey) in The Hardcore Diaries, so cite THAT as a reference. --86.4.62.160 00:49, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Austin/Dude match finish
For my money, the finish of the match is not relevant to an article on Mick Foley, unless we think that it's especially important AND Foley somehow came up with the idea. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, and this article is still too long as it is--if it were 18kb instead of 48kb, I wouldn't be so adamant about keeping this out. Notable feuds and spots should be in the article. The feud is notable, but the way Austin won the match isn't really relevant to an encylopedia article about Mick Foley. I'm going to revert it again. If others think that it should stay, let's have that discussion here. Croctotheface 06:54, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Changes to the Trivia section
I removed entries becuse they were either non-notable or mentioned in the article itself. Croctotheface 18:05, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

New book
In his latest blog on wwe.com Foley mentions he is writing a new book called "The Hardcore Diaries". Unfortunately, due to his on-screen firing, everything Foley-related has been removed from wwe.com, so it can't be sourced currently... You can actually find it via Google's cached version though.

---This week on Raw(2/19/07) Foley was in an interview talking about his new book. I suspect once it hits stores he will be back in the ring.Gundam94 17:10, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

---I have a copy of The Hardcore Diaries, so yeah. Uhhhh.... He has a 3 year contract with the WWE to wrestle 2 matches on PPV every year, plus 1 extra PPV appearance ,as well as any TV tapings to help build up to said appearances. --86.4.62.160 00:46, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Fired
Doesn any body know what happened to Foley where he lives or any thing is he retired? cause I am tired of only seeing kayfabe down there.--Yowiki 15:33, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree, but there would need to be a source other than, like, a rumors site, and I doubt we could find something reliable. Croctotheface 08:55, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Expect him to be back before Wrestlemania 23 for a match with Vince...

NOT REALY BECAUSE I TALK A LOAD OF RUBBISH (UTC)
 * He lives on Long Island, New York. Source: Him.
 * Better yet, he lives in Long Island, New York. Source: The Hardcore Diaries, written by him. There ya go. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.4.62.160 (talk) 00:44, 2 March 2007 (UTC).

NJPW Triple Crown Title match with Kawada
I quote obsessedwithwrestling.com's Foley bio: May 8, 2004 - Z1 Hustle-3: Toshiaki Kawada defeated Mick Foley to retain the Triple Crown. Since the Triple Crown is so presteigous, I think Foley's title match is worth a mention. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.4.58.237 (talk) 22:45, 17 January 2007 (UTC).
 * reasonable suggestion. Suriel1981 11:28, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

hes best known for his time in the WWF not ECW and WCW

"generic" music
Does not Foley state in "Have a nice day" that the generic Cactus Jack song used in WWF was written by Michael Hayes? Worth a mention, if its in triva. And does anyone else remember the same music being used when he first came out in WCW in the early 90s (or I could be confused by WWF pasting the music over whatever was actually used on its DVDs)?

The piece of classical strings music that Mankind initially used as his entrance theme is Samuel Barber's "Adagio For Strings" 195.194.77.109 16:01, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Speaking of theme music, what song does he use for entrance music in IWA's King of the Deathmatch?!? 24.68.69.28 (talk) 06:58, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

He never used a Megadeth song to my knowledge. The song you hear from his WCW days and IWA Deathmatches sounds more like the 'Meat Puppets', vocally anyway. I wish someone could find out who did it and what its called. --Somedude —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.74.237.76 (talk) 04:36, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

In "Have a nice day" Mick explains that the idea of Mankind having a seperate theme for his entrance and exit was based on a scene in the film adaption of "Silence of the Lambs" where Hannibal is preparing to kill someone. In the scene the music playing is slow and in a minor key before Hannibal kills the man and in a major key and beautiful after he has commited the act. I think this would be worth adding. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RWCNT (talk • contribs) 14:40, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

New commons headshot if needed
Here's a head shot that can be cropped, and used if needed, with commons licence. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Mick-foley-at-signing.jpg Cactusrob 13:17, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much. --  Oakster  Talk  21:14, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Deleted Trivia
These have been deleted: Both are true. Foley's first book is a reference to the first piece and the Royal Rumble DVD can be used as a reference to the second. Cactusrob 19:30, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) Foley took his trademark catchphrase "Bang, Bang!" from the B-52's song "Love Shack." The song was running through his head at the end of a match, and he held his fingers up like pistols while reciting the "bang bang bang on the door..." verse.
 * 2) At the 1998 Royal Rumble Foley appeared as Cactus Jack, Mankind, and Dude Love, the only time in which one performer appeared in the Rumble under multiple gimmicks, thus making him the only man in history to lose the Royal Rumble three times in one night.

Picture
Just wanted to say that the motion pictures in this article are really good it would be great to see them used more on wikipedia.

Actual height
On a podcast interview he says that he is 6.4 not 6.2. Bencey 22:35, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Final ECW Match Billing
I'm not going to add it since I don't have any sources for this other than a vivid memory of seeing it on "Hardcore TV," but I feel it would fit in with the article. When he wrestled his last match in ECW, the ring announcer said "From Stamford, Connecticut, the greatest place known to Mankind, Cactus Jack!" or something very similar to that. Again, i don't have a source on it, so I didn't want to add it myself. Stupid5pin 07:29, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

FMW
There is piece of Foley's career missing. It is the time spent wrestling in FMW. I am not the most knowledgable on this part of his career. Mr. C.C. 18:10, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Children's b-days
Should they be added on here since I believe that they are in his books? I knows that his oldest two children's birthdays are in his first book. Noelle's birthday is Dec. 15, 1995 is anyone wants to add it. (MgTurtle 23:29, 17 July 2007 (UTC)).

Front teeth
Where in Have a nice day does it state that Foley "Lost his ten front teeth in a match with the Killer Bees"? Foley states that he lost his two front teeth in a car accident during his tenure with WCW, in said book. He doesn't have ten missing teeth anyway...Daigo 14:56, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Someone vandalized the article by changing the number two to ten. I changed the information and added it back. Also, new posts on talk pages go at the bottom under a header, not at the top. Nikki311 19:33, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

That's cool, but I'm pretty sure Foley states in H.A.N.D. that he lost his two front teeth in a car accident during his WCW tenure...he had previously claimed in kayfabe that Sting kicked them out during a match in Raleigh. All he says about the Killer bees match is that his jaw swelled from the injury caused by Dynamite Kid, causing him to bite his lip and his mouth to bleed. I'll check tonight. If that's what the book states I'll change the article and add references. Daigo 07:51, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, he lost the teeth during his first stint with WCW, I'll change the article and add the reference...Daigo NLI

also, Vader didn't powerbomb Foley over the ropes to the outside in their injury spot in WCW, it happened outside the ring, I've seen the tape Daigo 11:56, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Foley reality show
Can someone find a reference and/or link to add to the A&E reality show statement? I took a quick look on Google, but was unable to find one. If one cannot be found it should be deleted for now. Thanks! Josborne2382 01:34, 29 October 2007 (UTC) I'm afraid I can't remember where I heard or read it, but I swear Foley called the whole thing off on grounds of not wanting to expose his kids to public limelight too much. --86.4.52.35 (talk) 01:07, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

new smcakdown color guy
just announced on WWE.com. EDIT IT IN BABY! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Herotastic (talk • contribs) 19:25, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Done. Source is here http://www.wwe.com/shows/backlash/exclusives/foleybacklash. Linknumbers (talk) 19:50, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

MICK FOLEY LEAVING!!!!!! i read this http://www.longislandpress.com/main.asp?SectionID=3&SubSectionID=3&ArticleID=16407&TM=40935.82 can any of you guys in long island confirm this to be true i read this the other day and wanted to know if this was printed in the paper? should it be added to page or wait till september? hate too see him leave and it does seem far fetched i was thinking of setting up a petition if confirmed to get vince to stop being an ass and show mick we all love him, what do you reckon? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.241.204.26 (talk) 18:38, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

some one has added that foley is going to TNA where has this come from, after speaking to WWE on the phone they said they are investigating the above link and will issue a report shortly as it may be a fake, i qoute "mick foley has not had his contract reviewed as we have not had reasons to review it till we deem nescisary, as far as TNA is concerned there are no reliable sources to say he is leaving and as far as we at WWE are concerned mick foley is very happy here and has made no resignation statment yet" this was a phone conversation i had earlier this week, can some one either add a reliable source to his move or delete the segment —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.217.157 (talk) 05:50, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

TNA
Mick Foley is not currently working for TNA, since he is still under a WWE contract. So don't say that he is until it's official. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.226.223.210 (talk) 11:21, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Foley hasent left to join TNA there is an article placed on this link http://www.letstalkwrestling.com/2008/08/foley-denies-signing-with-tna-at-wwe.html and foley himself has denied Signing with TNA at the moment anyway he would be in breach of his contract if he was to sign with tna while under a wwe contract and seeing this article is from mick foleys own mouth should it be taken into consideration that the TNA signing remains a rumour and off the Mick Foley page until it is true or not.Deadman lastride666 (talk) 09:57, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, Mick has said in his own words, I have not signed with TNA, though i may try out a ppv with them, so the whole TNA thing should be removed at this point. 58.6.87.138 (talk) 05:31, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I refined the wording in the TNA section a bit. There just seemed to be too much ambiguity if the statement was read by itself without a header. I threw in a date for the press release and some other specifics, and removed the comment about appearing in the near future as the press release did not state that when regarding TNA.  Hazardous   Matt   13:35, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

I heard him today on Opie and Anthony and he said that he was with TNA now, and was bad mouthing Vince in a way, pretty much talking out of the Mick Foley WWE character and more being the real "Mick Foley" that we love. But yeah, looks like Foley is now with TNA, should have it in the article now or at least mentioned it, i heard him say it on Opie and Athony from his own mouth on the morning of 10/20/08 on 92.3 Kiss FM in Cleveland Ohio.The Cleveland Browns are awesome! (talk) 15:44, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Freelance
The freelance section should be in the middle of the later WWE Career section not after the TNA Section Chortin (talk) 22:32, 3 September 2008 (UTC).

Kitchen Nightmares
He was on the September 10th episode of Kitchen Nightmares, someone should make a note of this on the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lavanga (talk • contribs) 03:14, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Foley's Comment on the Nielson Ratings
Foley has repeatedly stated his figure that "600,000" figure, stating that they instantly switched over to Raw. However, this is not a reliable source. Nielson ratings are not calculated to the second, and the statement was not made during a quarter hour, so there's absolutely no validity to the claim. I'm removing it until someone can provide a reliable source (Not stemming from WWE or Foley, and this includes Death of WCW since the claim is unsourced) to suggest that it deserves to be there.The Todd (talk) 19:08, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * We can solve this just by attributing the opinion. I agree that the prior version that stated it as fact is inappropriate, but Foley's opinion that the numbers show that people switched is certainly a valid interpretation of the data that we can include.  If there are other valid interpretations, we can include those, too.  Croctotheface (talk) 19:19, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

MID-SOUTH WRESTLING North American Champion
Cactus Jack: 6/10/95...Greenville, MS...Defeated the New Spoiler. This should be added to his Championships and accomplishments section. Reference http://www.midsouthwrestling.com/history.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deathcard9 (talk • contribs) 22:41, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Ear Incident
Is there a part in the article mentioning that he lost half of his right ear? Also, How? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.68.195.149 (talk) 00:42, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

"Kayfabe" vs. "storyline" in the article lead
Having watched this dispute for the last little bit, I have to come down on the side of "storyline." Accessibility is important, especially for the lead section of the article. Mick Foley is, more than most wrestlers, going to attract readers who are unfamiliar with wrestling, let alone wrestling lingo. In the lead of this article, should err on the side of making it more comprehensible to more people. While I appreciate John's desire to seek a compromise, inserting a parenthetical phrase to define the term just mucks up the writing. If we decide that "kayfabe" is better, I'd rather avoid using parentheses like that. In response to something John mentioned about the use of "kayfabe" in other wrestling articles, to be honest, they might all be better served to use "storyline" instead, at least much of the time. I think there's a strong argument to be made that "storyline" is more the meaning we're going for, and at the very least, I fail to see how it is less accurate. If we assume they are equally accurate, we should probably err on the side of more accessible in general, too. Croctotheface (talk) 20:28, 9 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, WP:PW is in the process of making the articles more accessible to all readers. We are trying to change words like "heel", "turned", "face", and "kayfabe" to words like "villain", "betrayed", "hero", and "storyline". Not all the articles have been changed, though. It was my mistake because I thought Foley's article had been already, which is apparently not the case. In any event, however, it is best not to add extra uses of the jargon-y words, because they'll eventually need to be changed if they want to achieve GA or FA status. It has been mentioned by countless reviewers that the wrestling articles are hard to understand to an outsider, so using common terms has really helped with the issue. Nikki  ♥  311  23:45, 9 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Generally, this is a good idea, especially as it pertains to changing "kayfabe," which is a word most wrestling fans probably don't even know, with "storyline," which is probably a more accurate word to use most of the time anyway. However, some of the terms you listed might be better served the other way around.  "Betrayed," for example, could give the impression that there was a real life betrayal, and besides, "she turned on him" is perfectly understandable anyway.  "Heel" and "babyface" are probably more accurate than "villain" and "hero," too, since a lot of babyfaces are anti-heros and "heel" has more of a connotation of someone who antagonizes the audience than villain does.  I recognize that pointing that out here probably won't do much, but I think that wrestling articles could use some of these terms some of the time, when they're most appropriate and define them when necessary.  More generally, I think that many wrestling articles suffer from having too much of an "in-universe" perspective for the wrestling storylines, and that if that problem were solved, the terminology issue would largely follow along with it.  Croctotheface (talk) 00:56, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Cactus Jack 1988 AWA
I was watching"Cheating Death Stealing Life" and there is a match Cactus Jack and Rock n' Roll RPMs vs. The Guerrero Brothers. I think his brief career with the AWA should be added User: Underfan Usertalk : Underfan / Talk 2:45, February 13 2009(UTC)

japan tune
does anyone know the name of the megadeth song he used in japan i cant find it anywhere infact shouldnt there be a refrence where it says he used a song by thrash metal band megadeth92.25.193.244 (talk) 23:29, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

It's really hard to tell what happened in reality and what was scripted, especially his firings and whatnot. 72.71.219.53 (talk) 01:19, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Amnesia gimmick "award"
Should we really list the "most disgusting promotional tactic" award as an award Foley "won". That award seems more aimed at Organizations for promoting such a gimmick/tactic/storyline and not towards the wrestlers themselves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.134.69.10 (talk) 23:56, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

music - uncited
Removed by an IP as uncited...please cite and replace. Off2riorob (talk) 17:22, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

haha
I was the one who said mick died at 4:32 am in a car crash on the highway. Lol people were stupid enough to believe it. Even Mick had to clear up the matter on his wiki. XD — Preceding unsigned comment added by Save us21 (talk • contribs) 21:02, 23 August 2011 (UTC)


 * 'Western Hardcore by Jimmy Hart, Tim Renwick and Zack Tepest (WWE) Cactus Jack's theme (1997–2006).

Hell in a Cell
Foley has said that for better or worse what he is most known for is 1998's Hell in a Cell. Someone not familiar with Foley, upon reading his Wikipedia bio should have the opportunity to be presented with this. What is written there should stay. If someone wants to click through and read more about it on another article that's their choice. Evenrød (talk) 07:18, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Hell in a Cell 'botch' lie.
Please, for the credibility of the site, stop stating that the cell roof was not supposed to give way. It's a ridiculous urban legend that isn't backed up by the source that was in place and has been refuted and contradicted time and again by everyone involved. There was even an article sourced on here a while ago that had watertight reasons in place as to why it couldn't possibly have been a botch but was removed because it was on 411mania, despite actually making critical arguments.

The whole 'botch' myth is based entirely on the fact that Foley was knocked unconscious. THAT was the botch, not the actual bump itself. The botch was Foley landing awkwardly and having the chair hit him in the face, which contrived to knock him out. If you still believe that this spot was unplanned then you either haven't seen it (it's blatantly choreographed, the cameras even zoom out especially for it and track it flawlessly) or you're just desperate to believe in the myth because it's more interesting to think WWF made a life-threatening error, especially after the tragic death of Owen Hart. The evidence and the sources simply do not uphold the lie.

So stop letting this crap get on the page. It's turning this article and the 1998 King of the Ring article into a joke.2.28.173.142 (talk) 09:13, 16 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Well the only problem with calling it a "lie" is that it contradicts what Mick Foley, The Undertaker, and Terry Funk have stated themselves.


 * When Mick Foley introduces the "Hell in a Cell" match at minute mark 1:39:44 on his DVD, he states: "The cage ripping and giving way was a complete surprise to both of us, [meaning Foley & the Undertaker] and it did a lot of damage." [Mick Foley: Greatest Hits & Misses. 2004]
 * In a sit-down interview with Off the Record with Michael Landsberg The Undertaker states: "That panel was not supposed to break loose. That panel gave way and the second one was far worse than the first one"  (see minute mark 2:15: ).
 * Then in Terry Funk's own words on page 198 of his autobiography [Terry Funk: More Than Just Hardcore] he writes: "The same prop guy was supposed to make sure the two sides of the cage were secure, so the impact of Mick's body would cause the top of the cage to sag and gradually come open, so Mick would tumble into the ring. It would be a hell of a spectacular bump, but Mick figured he'd have the cage breaking his fall."


 * Based upon what Funk wrote, that would make sense that among the many camera angles available during big events, if a "tumble" through the cage was planned, then why wouldn't there be cameras primed to track whatever was going to take place; i.e. a vertical fall of some type?


 * I suppose that Foley, Undertaker, and Funk could be conspiring and there is another "insider" story, but what credible sources do you have to prove that or show that this is as big a controversy as you're making it out to be? Evenrød (talk) 11:15, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Length?
This self-serving bio is longer than Winston Churchill's. Really? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.27.141.169 (talk) 03:50, 13 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Havent heard of Churchill.. Is he TNA guy or something? I think a WWE superstar deserves a longer article than some guy noone has ever heard of — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:C49B:42C0:A8DC:7725:6A9C:7F69 (talk) 23:43, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Well, there is a great deal of information to cover when talking about the career of a current athlete or performer. Also, the fact that Foley has written several autobiographical books add extra details of encyclopedic significance. His Have A Nice Day: A Tale of Blood and Sweatsocks is over 700 pages long even in his original manuscript. Breckham101 (talk) 17:45, 19 December 2014 (UTC)


 * It doesnt even cover his whole career. His stint in GWF isn't even coverd.68.51.193.141 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:36, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Last match
Was the 2012 Royal Rumble the last match Foley competed in? Or did he compete in any after this? Just wondering how recently active he is for a list of Grand Slam Champion contenders. Ranze (talk) 23:15, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Should Funeral March (WCW) be added to Mick Foley's and DDP's article pages?
Cactus Jack has an WCW unlisted Entrance theme music (which he used here was when he teamed with DDP to face to The Fabulous Freebirds in WCW] and that match is playable in 2K17's Hall of Fame Showcase mode with the same theme music]) that predates his famous Mr. Bang Bang theme though the unlisted WCW Entrance theme music sounds like Undertaker's famous Funeral March theme music. Should the Funeral March (WCW) theme be added to the articles of Mick Foley and DDP? - 2A02:C7D:C84:9900:683C:DF07:3D3D:C70E (talk) 13:13, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Harper Collins interview
http://web.archive.org/web/20011025043237/http://www.harpercollins.com/catalog/book_interview_xml.asp?isbn=0060002514 Found an interview at Harper Collins website... WhisperToMe (talk) 20:55, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Infobox Image
and Before you two break WP:3RR, I'm going going to revert back to the image that we started the day with and let's discuss, per WP:BRD. Let's try to reach consensus instead of edit warring. What are both of your thoughts? PrairieKid (talk) 07:05, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi,PrairieKid, Thankfully u are here dear, This guy is hell bent on my good faith edits where i just try to add better image of Subject Mic Foley from 2008 u can see even few days back Image of foley was from 2008 My point is simple we should add image of subject which looks good irrespective of age and i dont think that there is a rule that a recent image should be used the image i add has clearly better resolution than the one Hunterb212 is pushing,Infact even Vince Mcmahon image is Crap. Infobox image should be best irrespective of Age of Photo and neither image is 30 years old its just fron 2009. So Can i re add the photo of Mic PrairieKid, Will be gratefull. Thanks. Anachronistic 328 (talk) 07:11, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

I am all for Consensus if gentle editor like u are invloved but even u can get dear that my intentions arent bad neither i am disruptive nor want to be, Cheers Guys.Anachronistic 328 (talk) 07:13, 11 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Personally, I have no strong feelings one way or the other. I have a slight preference for the 2019 image over the 2009 image as it is significantly more recent and only slightly poorer in quality. Compared to the first image you added (from 2007), the 2019 is clearer much preferable. The decision is not up to me, as you imply, but all of us based on a consensus. That also means that you may not get your way at the end of this. If that's upsetting to hear, Wikipedia may not be the place for you.
 * Until the consensus is reached, however, we must revert to what we had at the start. Please read this policy (which I have already referred to several times) for further. You are also dangerously close to breaking the 3 Revert Rule, which could result in a temporary ban. Do not revert again. You also border on personal attacks on Hunter. Although you're not quite there, please remain civil and kind in your conversations with others.
 * One further note: I would recommend using correct spelling and grammar when discussing with other editors. It avoids confusion, and displays intelligence. Especially since you're a new editor trying to get your point across, using correct grammar is essential in being taken seriously and having your voice heard. PrairieKid (talk) 07:49, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

PrairieKid, Ok dear i got it now i will keep in mind what you said, Anyway i didn't made any personal attack too. So Can i add 2007 Photo Now as it's better resolution and Mic clearly looks better in that ??? I am adding it. Thanks, i will take it as Consensus has been established. Anachronistic 328 (talk) 09:04, 11 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Frankly, I do not see how you could see there being consensus here at all, especially for the 2007 image...? I am the only one who has commented aside from yourself, and I said the 2007 image was my least favorite. At this point (if anything), it appears there is more consensus toward the 2019 image (which Hunter and myself support) than the two you are suggesting. At best, I think you are really confused here. But I really am beginning to suspect you are knowingly being difficult and nonconstructive.
 * Further, you broke the three revert rule after multiple warnings about it (here and on your talk page). You are also not following WP:BRD. I have made a request here that you be temporarily blocked from editing. At this point, I am going to treat further reversions as deliberate vandalism and I will be reverting them. PrairieKid (talk) 09:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

I am novice editor so I am not Aware about Wikipedia rules still, Kindly don't block my editing Rights, I won't be disruptive again. Anachronistic 328 (talk) 10:25, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * To be fair, this account is new, but it's just another sock of who has pulled this on multiple articles, multiple times.  Other editors, please be aware.  Ravensfire  (talk) 22:53, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, as you probably saw, it continues today using various anonymous cell phone IP addresses on this article and the Shane McMahon article. Same photo. Same assurance of editing on good faith. NJZombie (talk) 00:17, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , reported to SPI . May want to request both articles be semi-protected. This editor will deceive, lie and do anything possible to get their version out there.  Ravensfire  (talk) 14:48, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

There are a few pics out there but the one currently is best, as it is the most recent. I couldn't find any pictures from 2020 or sooner. This user seems to think a particularly poor photo of Foley from 2008 (where you can't really make out his face) is better. I don't want to get into an edit war, so I brought it here.--Hmdwgf (talk) 02:07, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I found a better one.--Hmdwgf (talk) 04:53, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Saying you don't want to start an edit war but making the edit anyway is not avoiding an edit war. The discussion comes first, followed by gaining a consensus, and lastly comes the change IF a consensus to do so is reached.NJZombie (talk) 05:59, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Fine. But I still stand by that better pic I found.--Hmdwgf (talk) 06:32, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

So an argument has brewed up yet again about the infobox picture. I think it's this user again, he just never bothered to log in. I don't want to get any further into an edit war, and that picture he put in the infobox is actually displayed further down the page. I've changed it back to the 2019 picture because that seems to win consensus. But I found this picture: and I propose we use this image.--Hmdwgf (talk) 03:15, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Comment - An IP sock of Showbiz826 reverted back to their preferred image, again. My suggestion would be to revert, again, and ask for semi-protection, again.  Ravensfire  (talk) 17:45, 21 July 2021 (UTC)