Talk:Mickey Mouse/Archive 1

Through the Keyhole
Just thought it would amuse you to know that someone else literally edited the name section (mortimer) at the same time that they had just seen the same TV programme re Mickey Rooney. I've checked it out, and yes, it appears that Mickey Rooney's claim to be the first 'Mickey' has very common currency.Iamlondon 14:54, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Mickey's behavior
Mickey Mouse started his career as what has been described as "at best a fresh and bratty kid, at worst a dimunitive and sadistic monster". In Steamboat Willie, he honks ducks with tight hugs, uses the teeth of a cow as a xylophone, and winds the tail of a goat like a music box. Mickey wasn't truly depraved; he just engaged in "pure, amoral, very boyish mischief". Because Mickey was somewhat fashioned after Charlie Chaplin, there were many similarities between these two characters.

Parents were alarmed with Mickey's obnoxious and crass behavior; a deluge of letters flooded Walt Disney's office, demanding a "kinder, gentler" mouse. Accompanying Mickey's physical makeover came a definite shift in behavior. Mickey was no longer loud and brash, but more quiet and charming. Mickey, then and now, is not particularly funny; he is attractive in a pleasant and appealing fashion. This is a trait that was inherited from Disney himself, who was not known to be truly humorous. Mickey abandoned slapsick comedy; he would forever be destined to be a "nice guy" with this major alteration.

Mickey's persona continued to soften as his physical traits smoothed out. One can say that he became a "goody-two shoes"; Mickey would never do anything questionable. He also gained more human traits: Mickey is probably the first mouse to wash a car or to conduct a symphony orchestra. Unlike the average mouse, he would never carry parasitic mites or nibble on electrical wiring. In essence, Mickey became a perfect gentleman-- but in the body of a mouse.

As Mickey grew in popularity around the world (although his heyday was quite brief; after World War II, Mickey ranked third in a poll regarding favorite cartoon characters-- Donald Duck took first while Bugs Bunny landed second), Mickey's abilities increased. He could do anything and everything well; he would never be doing anything remotely immoral. Should something terrible befall Mickey, there is always an innocent reason behind the trouble. Because of this angelic construction, there are definite parameters as to what Mickey can and cannot do. Mickey is expected to be a lovable and sweet mouse. Thus, his wild days must stay in the past... but everybody loves Mickey nonetheless.

These days, Mickey is still widely known for his charm, manners, and shy kindness. "Mickey" is synonymous with all that is good and benign; he is the ultimate symbol of happiness and delight. Mickey has survived through the ravages of World War II (where his name was the code word for the entire Allied mission) as well as the different trends that the world has followed. Whether he is donning an immaculate tuxedo or clad only in swimming trunks, Mickey will forever be hailed as the greatest mouse to grace the earth.
 * from User:213.146.192.200


 * It's sort of not NPOV (Neutral Point of View). Good, but keep it a NPOV.Abby724 05:38, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

First appearance?
When did Mickey Mouse actually make his first appearance? The current page states that it was on November 18 1928; the September 18 page states that Steamboat Willie was first released in 1928 on that day; and the entry on Steamboat Willie says the movie was released on July 29 1928. I'm a bit lost... -- Schnee 03:17, 18 Sep 2003 (UTC)

ImdB says November 18. I'll make the correction. RickK 03:29, 18 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Mickey Mouse did not debut in Steamboat Willie. He debuted in an earlier cartoon, Plane Crazy, on May 15, 1928

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Silly and Irrelevant image
Removed this from the page, as it is silly and irrelevant:


 * ''On November 14, 2002, the following image was discovered during restoration of a church's outside wall in the town of Malta in Austria. It is part of a 14th century fresco depicting Saint Christopher of the Catholic Church, who is often shown accompanied by fabulous creatures:




 * Mickey Mouse bears a striking resemblance to this image.


 * I thought it was kinda funny, trivial as it might be...


 * "Silly" perhaps (though any more so than Mickey himself?), but I thought it was useful having a clearly public domain image that gives a pretty good idea of what Mickey looks like. I'd like this to go back in the article. -- Infrogmation 00:26, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * I also liked that image. Maybe it shouldn't be the main one, but I think it should be in there somewhere. LizardWizard 02:33, Jan 24, 2005 (UTC)


 * More than silly, this dubious claim is uncited and un-sourced. Please include a citation or ditch it. Looks bogus to me. Zosodada 8 July 2005 22:02 (UTC)


 * Well sourced or un-sourced, the photo caused a media storm when it was released, after the image was found. The Walt Disney Company were reported to have purchased the fresco to keep it in their reception area at the Walt Disney Studios in Burbank, but I believe that is trash. Anyway, it is real. --Speedway July 9, 2005 18:17 (UTC)


 * I just restored the 14th century picture as there is no copyright problem with that and removed the original Mickey mouse picture and the one that was showing Disney signing. These are copyrighted. I'm not sure how to arrange the text and links that have been in the text? Could somebody take care of this? Or I'll go into this the next days. (anon)


 * I have a photo of a 15th century fresco in a church in Gotland, Sweden, depicting St. George fighting a dragon. Believe it or not, the dragon has Mickey ears! But, that, too, is trivia, and really doesn't belong in the article... --Janke | Talk 06:52, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

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Sections
Does anyone want to tackle the task of adding sections to this article? It'd make it much more accessible. If not, I may tackle it someday. &mdash;Frecklefoot 19:11, 18 Nov 2003 (UTC)

MM's height and weight?
Where is MM's height and weight documented? This article currently says: Standing 2'3" and weighing 23 pounds, the mouse rapidly rose to the  pinnacle of American culture, being more widely recognized overseas   than any other American icon but the US flag. Bevo 04:11, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I'm not sure where this came from, but it sounded odd as included in the opening paragraph. I removed it. kmccoy (talk) 09:33, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Mickey Mouse as private eye?
Almost all recent (ie. 1980 and onwards) Mickey Mouse comics depict him as a private detective, who cooperates with Chief O'Hara to stop Black Pete or the Phantom Blot. Is this well known outside of Europe? Was it invented by American or Italian artist? When did it start? arj 18:29, 26 Jan 2004 (UTC)
 * I know about it, but I'm a fairly big Disney nut. Most Canadians, and even more Americans, have no clue there is even Disney comics, let alone ones where Mickey is a private eye. I'm guessing an American writer created it, and the plots took flight when the Italians got a hold of it, seeing how much they helped shape the Disney comic universe. -- user:zanimum
 * Doesn't this originally stem from Paul Murry's 60's-70's Mickey comics, or am I off-track here?
 * Mickey as a private detective goes definitively further back, possibly the first clear 'mystery-thriller' plot in which he acts more or less as a private eye/detective is the story 'Mickey Mouse Outwits The Phantom Blot' by Floyd Gottfredson published in 1941! BTW: as a child that story really scared me. Although many stories by Gottfredson had a mistery tone, I agree that the most 'classic' Mickey detective stories have been written in Italy but already since the '50s, one of the best of that period is Romano Scarpa's "Kali's Nail" (Topolino e l'unghia di Kalí). I think something on this side of Mickey should be added to the article. Plch 01:08, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

WDP's creation?
The term Walt Disney Pictures is used since 1980s. Even after 1980s, WDP can't stand for the whole Sections about animation in The Walt Disney Company. So I think this term should be changed.Mickeymousechen 16:18, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)mickeymousechen

Mickey on parade
Just heard on the news that Mickey Mouse is going to be Grand Marshall of the 2005 Rose Bowl parade. Even though this is just a guy in a suit, maybe this could somehow be added to the article as reference to his appearances in and links to modern culture beyond cartoons?
 * I saw the thing too, and it's been added. Mickey is a character, and as long as it fits within his copyrightable tome, it fits. Also, who's to say it's a guy in there? -- user:zanimum

Images
Are we able to get one of Mickey Mouse? - Ta bu shi da yu 05:19, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Disney is NOTORIOUS about not allowing and "Fairuse" of images of Mickey. I rather like the one above (removed by someone who didn't sign themselves), and would like it back in the article. Who objects? ... At the right is my own contribution of a Mickey image... Hm.... -- Infrogmation 00:29, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * I should be able to get a photo from public property of one of the displays at the entrance to Disney World, like the one at but better quality. Or, if that's not OK (since the display is on private property), how about the one at right? This sign is on public property owned by the Reedy Creek Improvement District. --SPUI 07:30, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * I added the road sign to the 'The icon' section, since it does a decent job of showing a use of the Mickey ears without any copyright problems. --SPUI 02:03, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Copyright
Mickey is often said to be "copyrighted", but a character cannot be copyrighted. A copyright applies to a concrete work such as a book or a film, not a character. A drawing of a character can be copyrighted, but the character itself cannot be. So I'm puzzled why it's said that Mickey Mouse will fall into the public domain when Steamboat Willie does, since Mickey Mouse is protected by trademark law, not copyright law. Would the expiration of the copyright also result in the expiration of the trademark? The only reason I can imagine is the argument that a trademark that is undefended is invalid, but I don't think that would hold here. - furrykef (Talk at me) 14:50, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * As I understand it, any drawing or photo of Mickey is a derivative work, just as if I take a photo of a recent sculpture. --SPUI 22:23, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I'm confused. A photo of a sculpture can still be copyrighted even if the sculpture is ancient, if I understand correctly. This suggests that a work derived from the public domain is not itself public domain. But then, if I did take a photo of a recent sculpture that was itself copyrighted, I'd have to get rights to redistribute the photo. But all this suggests to me is that Disney need no longer be paid when somebody distributes Steamboat Willie, which I can't imagine being a large source of revenue. It oughtn't affect later works, unless that free distribution affects the ability to defend the trademark... is that it? Sounds very contrived to me, even for intellectual property law. - furrykef (Talk at me) 05:45, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * Yeah, a photo can be copyrighted, but if you take a picture of one you can release it to the public domain. However, if you take a photo of a copyrighted sculpture, you can only release your additional parts to the public domain (so that when the sculpture itself passes, or when it would pass if Disney didn't control copyright law, your photo will too). If I make an exact or close copy of that sculpture, it's a derivative work, and similarly cannot be public domain. If I make a drawing or photo of Mickey, I believe it would be the same sort of thing. Steamboat Willie (and every depiction of Mickey) is still copyrighted, thanks to Mr. Bono. I'm not a lawyer though, and I may be wrong. --SPUI 06:21, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I still don't buy this explanation. Yes, when you take a photo of a sculpture you can only claim copyright on "the additional parts", but that does not mean your copyright expires when the copyright on the sculpture expires. In other words, the copyright on the photo and the copyright on the sculpture are entirely separate, in my understanding. The photo would indeed be a derivative work, but that only means that the holder of the copyright on the sculpture could restrict the distribution of the photograph (except in cases of fair use, of course); it doesn't mean that the copyright of the one is "tied" to that of the other. The same goes for copying the sculpture, except it's much less likely that you can copyright it at all since you have essentially copied the sculpture itself, which is the thing being protected. (Likewise you can't copyright your version if the original was public domain, unless it's part of a larger work that can be. However, you can still copyright a photograph of a public domain piece. So, again, I don't see how the analogy fits.) - furrykef (Talk at me) 12:00, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure if I'm interpreting you correctly, but you seem to be assuming that Mickey himself is public domain. This is false. Disney's servants have and probably will continue to extend copyright to keep Mickey from falling into the public domain. Thus the only possible grounds for use of a picture of Mickey will be fair use. --SPUI 12:58, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Where did I suggest that? I have said quite explicitly that Mickey Mouse is trademarked (but not copyrighted). What I'm not understanding is how copyright would have anything to do with Mickey (as opposed to an individual cartoon) becoming public domain. - furrykef (Talk at me) 02:23, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * The character will leave copyright once the first work using the character enters the public domain. Note that the ways to draw the character changed over the years so each of those different ways will not enter the public domain until that particular version has entered the public domain. The 2003 US Supreme Court decision in Dastar Corp. v. Twentieth Century Fox Film Corp. found that you cannot use a trademark on a public domain work to make an infinite copyright term using trademark law instead of copyright law. Note also that any drawing made by another person whcih copies the essential elements of the character as it has been drawn by the original copyright holder may be a derivative work and possible copyright infringment (or possible fair use, depending on the circumstances). Jamesday 16:44, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The phrase, "The character will leave copyright" pretty much ignores everything I've said. ;) I have been arguing this whole time that Mickey Mouse is not copyrighted because a character cannot be copyrighted, an idea that is made clear by pretty much any website explaining copyright. I don't think Dastar v. Fox really applies here. The tricky thing with that was that Dastar actually used the public domain work, rather than, say, creating a new series with the same characters. I think the latter would still be trademark infringement. In other words, this would seem to suggest that I could do whatever I want with a reworking of Steamboat Willie (again, if it were public domain), but I can't just create a Mickey Mouse cartoon with no connection to Steamboat Willie. So even though copyright law may trump trademark law, a character being in a public domain work does not seem to suggest that the character's trademark effectively expires. - furrykef (Talk at me) 02:23, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * You can't copyright a character, but you can copyright an image. Suppose I draw a cartoon mouse that looks exactly like Mickey, but I gve him a different name and use him as a dour spaceship captain in a sci-fi comic book.  The character wouldn't be anything like Disney's Mickey, but Disney could prevent me from using a drawing that was sufficiently close to Mickey to constitute a copyright violation.


 * You're right that trademark is separate. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney also had a trademark on the character, along with the copyright on the image. JamesMLane 01:11, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Allow me to dispel a widely-reported urban legend about copyright and Disney. In 1993, the European Union adopted a directive extending copyright terms. Because this extended term was made available within the EU to non-EU copyright owners on the basis of reciprocity, the directive was one of the main arguments in favor of the Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act passed by the U.S. Congress. The trend over the last few decades has been for U.S. copyright law to move into conformity with international copyright law and intellectual property conventions. Of course Disney supported the extension of copyright terms — so did virtually the entire publishing and entertainment industry! The idea that the U.S. Congress acted primarily to keep Mickey Mouse cartoons from falling into the public domain is just silly. There are larger issues involved here. Walloon 11:02, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Fired or quit?
Oswald the Lucky Rabbit states that Walt Disney quit in disgust when his budget was cut: the article on Mickey Mouse states that Charles B. Mintz fired him. Which is correct? --Phil | Talk 08:50, July 11, 2005 (UTC)


 * Disney quit in disgust. – Pietro 21:14, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Banned in Germany?
A couple edits ago an IP address added:

"'In 1936, Adolf Hitler declared Mickey Mouse to be an enemy of the state in Nazi Germany.'"

Sine Hitler is a favourite subject of vandals, I tried to verify this, but as can be imagined google searches for such things return too many spurious results. Can anyone verify this? Qutezuce 06:44, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

On my last trip to Germany about 15 years ago one of the museums in Berlin had an exhibition called something like "In the reich of Mickey Mouse" (In das Reich des Mickey Maus?). The exhibition had posters and other documents giving a chronicle (in German with a bit of English translations here and there) of the rise and fall of Mickey Mouse cartoons in Germany between the two world wars. It noted that Adolf Hitler was enraged at the great popularity of those foreign movies, and was most angry when he was told that members of the Nazi party would sometimes come to assemblies with Mickey Mouse pins on their lapels. This eventually led to a legal ban once he had come to power. It was all part of his campaign against foreign influences. --AlainV 03:47, 2 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Hitler actually enjoyed Disney's shorts. However, when he saw the 1929 Mickey Mouse cartoon, The Barnyard Battle, his opinion quickly changed.  The short depicted World War I German soldiers as feline foils for Mickey.  This could have been a reason that eventual lead towards the character being banned from Nazi Germany.  Actually, I'm not sure if he was completely banned at all.  In any case, I added this information to the article.  You guys can determine if it's useful or not. - Pietro 02:41, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

I have removed the claim that Hitler declared Mickey Mouse an "enemy of the state" in 1936. Documentation for this claim (repeated on many Internet sites, many simply echoing Wikipedia) is lacking. It should be noted that Hitler's propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels wrote in his diary on December 22, 1937,
 * "Ich schenke dem Führer 30 Klassefilme der letzten Jahre und 18 Micky-Maus-Filme. (...) Er freut sich darüber. Ist ganz glücklich über diesen Schatz." ("I am giving the Führer . . . 18 Mickey Mouse films [for Christmas]. He is very excited about it. He is completely happy about this treasure.”)

The exhibition "Als Mickey Mouse Nach Deutschland Kam" (When Mickey Mouse Came to Germany), at the Haus der Geschichte der Bundesrepublik Deutschland (Museum of the History of the Federal Republic of Germany), which ought to be considered an authoritative source, says,
 * After Hitler's takeover in 1933, Mickey Mouse initially remained on the German scene; but in 1941, when war was declared on the USA, he was banned in Germany.

The Mickey Mouse cartoon The Barnyard Battle was actually banned in 1930, three years before the Nazi Party came into power; it was permitted in 1931 after the offensive scenes were edited out. — Walloon 04:24, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Mickey Rooney...?
Is it worth it putting the fact that Mickey Rooney claims Mickey is really named after him? (More info on his page)... Kreachure 03:27, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
 * ...only if it's noted that the claim is not true. --FuriousFreddy 03:30, 3 August 2005 (UTC)


 * It might well be true, although it is impossible to verify. It does deserve to be included on the page.

Space Jam reference
It was not the Monstarrs that Bugs was referring to, but the suggestion of Daffy that their team, the Toon Squad, be named the "Ducks". As the Walt Disney Company had some influence in the naming of the Anaheim Mighty Ducks with their Mighty Ducks movies, that would be the "Mickey Mouse organization". --Geopgeop 12:50, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Pejorative use of Mickey's name
The reference to Finns' apparent prejudice towards Microsoft I think is a bit over-blown. This reference is probably sustained within a very small group and I have never personally encountered it. Unless someone can cite it I think it should be removed.

Mickey Films
Section currently states:

"Mickey has only starred in one feature film: the "Mickey and the Beanstalk" segment of Fun and Fancy Free (1947). He has also starred in two half-hour theatrical featurettes, Mickey's Christmas Carol (1983, screened in front of a re-issue of The Rescuers) and The Prince and the Pauper (1990, screened in front of The Rescuers Down Under)."

So the Sorceror's Apprentice segment of Fantasia (the section that inspired and was built upon to form Fantasia) doesn't count then?

When almost bust, Disney used Fantasia as either a last ditch effort to boost popularity, or as a final farewell as the studio couldn't afford to carry on production... Guess which happened!

Gretzky incident
Just wanted to mention that I fixed the Gretzky part, removing this:

"Wayne Gretzky once described the New Jersey Devils as a "Mickey Mouse" organization. The laugh was on him as they went on to win several Stanley Cups but Wayne did not."

If the person who wrote that ever reads this, I want to tell them they are a moron, and shouldn't be adding things unless they do a minimal amount of research first. It is quite well known that Gretzky won 4 Stanley Cups, 3 of which came after this incident.

first film/creation date not aligned?
How can the character be created in November 1928, yet the first film released is in May 1928?

Images
Every image now has a fair-use, all the right tags and has a summary. I also salvaged the kingdom hearts one from deletion. I was interested in nominating this for Esperanza/Programs if I'd could get some interest. I'm interested in getting this up to featured, so I might ask for a peer review too. Any other ideas of what to do? H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 21:28, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Incorrect caption?
The caption for Image:Mickey-025.gif appears to be incorrect on several counts - steamboat willie (which should at least be capitalized) was not Mickey's first appearance. Also, is anyone certain that the image is actually from that particular cartoon in the first place? Even if it is, there are already several screencaps from Steamboat Willie included in the article so I'm not sure that image qualifies for fair use. -Big Smooth 19:38, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay. I've removed the "steamboat willie" party. Ace Class Shadow 19:51, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Symbol of America

 * "Aside from the national flag, Mickey Mouse may be the most recognizable symbol of modern America."

Says who? I see no citations. There are also claims that Ronald McDonald is the most recognized icon of America, being second only after Santa Claus.


 * Next to Santa Claus, the most instantly recognised figure in the world by children is Ronald McDonald, the annoying clown who serves as the company's “chief happiness officer”.
 * The Economist, October 2004.

bogdan 16:09, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


 * This isn't conclusive, but perhaps lends some credence to the idea of Mickey representing America. In 1934, with tensions mounting between the two countries, a Japanese animator created a cartoon of what is obviously Mickey Mouse (with a robber's mask covering his eyes) terrorizing a South Pacific population. He is defeated by heroic "Kuroneko Banzai" ("Black Cat Banzai") and heroes from Japanese mythology.
 * The Anime Encyclopedia by Jonathan Clements & Helen McCarthy (p. 461) has an image of it with:
 * "Cunningly wearing a mask so that his true identity is never revealed, an unidentified foreign rodent threatens an innocent rag doll on a South Pacific beach. The Wartime Anime Black Cat Banzai was made in 1934, after the annexation of Manchuria, but only released in 1936. It was one of several anime that depicted the foreign threat to islanders who seek Japanese 'help'-- a reference to Japan's mandate over the Inner South Pacific region, which was revoked by the League of Nations in 1935."
 * and page 438:
 * "In Takao Nakano's Black Cat Banzai (1933, Kuroneko Banzai), a peaceful parade of toys is disrupted by a fleet of flying bat-bombers, each ridden by a clone of Mickey Mouse..."
 * See also:
 * Kuroneko Banzai
 * http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0438290/]
 * and:
 * http://mag.awn.com/index.php?int_check=yes&ltype=search&sval=Anime&article_no=1076&page=2]
 * "The most striking is the last image, taken from wartime anime Black Cat Banzai; it shows an evil and decidedly unauthorised Mickey Mouse."
 * Not sure whether it's worth putting into this article... interesting though. -- Rizzleboffin 18:47, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Super mario more ICONIC then Mickey mouse?
I heard somewhere that the Mario charecter was more iconic then Mckey mouse, this true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.189.99.161 (talk)


 * Please use article Talk pages for discussing improvements to the article. Jkelly 01:57, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Look buddy the guy has a question, and while I know talk pages aren't for this stuff, at least answer him. now then Mario was ,at one point, more recognizable than mickey. This was at the hight of Nintendo's Popularity of the NES era dont have a username

Bring WikiProject Disney to life!
Disney fans rejoince, WikiProject Disney has been propsed, just add your name to the category of intrrested Wikipedians to join here(it's at the bottom). Make sure to spread the word and bring the project to a goood start! Julz

"Firsts"
Some entries in the list of "firsts" provide little or no context to motivate them. Why do we care when Mickey's "first encounter with ghosts" or "first adventure at sea" was? These things seem like so much trivia. Are these somehow signature elements of Mickey Mouse in some way that just wasn't made clear? 66.30.205.65 21:49, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with everything you say. There is no need to making these trivial "firsts" into major portions of this article. If someone wants to make them into separate articles about each Mickey Mouse short, fine. But they don't belong in the main article on MM. You should have seen how those sections used to be, before I edited out the complete names and birth-death years of composers whose themes were used as a music cue in a particular MM cartoon. Some people lack all sense of proportion. — Walloon 02:12, 17 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm removing them --⁪froth T C  23:20, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Michael?
He is mentioned in the header as Michael Mouse, with "Mickey" given in quotes as a nickname. What is the basis for this? Mickey usually being a nickname for Michael aside, I know of no reference to this in the cartoons. Either the origin of this supposed true name should be mentioned somewhere in the article, or it the opening paragraph should simply read "Mickey Mouse".131.194.200.148 09:21, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree that there is no basis for Mickey's 'Michael' designation. I have a great interest in Walt Disney and the early history of the Disney Company, and my literature all seems to indicate that he was Mickey directly after his conception as Mortimer. I cannot find any prominent source listing his name as Michael. Also, the edition of this article that names him 'Michael' appears to have originated rather late in the article's history. The same editor also originally edited his name to read 'Mickael' before re-editing his change to read 'Michael' (refer to |06:50, 12 August 2006 and |06:50, 12 August 2006 both by anonymous user 60.224.67.247). In light of this, I am removing that content as patent nonsense. OBriain 04:01, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Evolution of Mickey Mouse, missing images
The article is supposed to show 4 images on the evolution of Mickey Mouse but none of the images seem to display. -Philwiki 01:26, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Help
I would like you guys to persuade the people doing donalds page to put up a KH's section to keep The two and goofy uniform. They keep reverting any efforts. PLEASE! Lego3400: The Sage of Time 17:02, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Kingdom Hearts Proportion
Anyone else find it odd that the Kingdom Hearts section is so large? It seems a bit out of wack with the rest of the article, especially when you compared it to the amount depth that is taken in his other appearances. Most appearances give you the name and the date released and that’s about it. It doesn't bother me too much, it is easy to skip over if you don't care and is easy to find and read about if you do. I just find it weird.

crave pics
hey i just found this here:klick me it looks like mickey mouse, seems like they know him years earlier.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 16:38, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

other stuff
but for this role he was depicted with exaggerated, orange lips; bushy, white sidewhiskers; and, of course, his now trademark white gloves. Animation utilizing darky iconography aired on U.S. television as late as the mid 1990s, but rarely has appeared since. From blackface deeceevoice 10:27, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * The first color Mickey Mouse cartoon was in 1935, so how could he have "orange lips" in a 1933 cartoon? — Walloon (talk) 17:50, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Here's a quote to support this notion, taken from Sacks, Howard L, and Sacks Judith (1993). Way up North in Dixie: A Black Family's Claim to the Confederate Anthem. Washington: Smithsonian Institution Press, p. 158: "Mickey Mouse is the most graphic offspring of blackface minstrels' portrayals of the plantation slave. Black, wild-eyed, childlike, falsetto-voiced, and ever the clown, Mickey Mouse even takes his costuming from the burnt-cork brotherhood: see the oversized white gloves, the suspender buttons (minus suspenders), big feet, coy stance." —Amcaja 16:05, 4 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I don't know that Disney is notable for a pattern of racism, but the debt that the old black-and-white cartoons owe to minstrelling seems like important context. I support the inclusion of this information, possibly in a separate article detailing the relationship of cartoon archetypes to the blackface tradition, with Mickey in the vanguard. Pjrich 20:51, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to try to add a section on this. (67.171.68.37 03:08, 12 February 2007 (UTC)) sb n-sn jkjkfnsjknvjkbnjkhbjksfjkbngsjhbufjdsgbnjkfnbjkshjiknj hjkghfdjkghd gjgfdshjgkfd jjkfdh/bn

You realize "minstrel" does not mean "blackface" and that the cartoon Ye Olden Days is a medieval fantasy? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.179.139.23 (talk) 05:23, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

DVD release of MM's short films?
Is there some list that shows the DVD releases of all of Mickey Mouse's short films since 1928? Siyavash 14:54, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's called Vintage Mickey Ryan Holloway 15:12, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

When was it released and in what regions? I would love to get it, as these are some of my favorite cartoons (next to the Roadrunner and Coyote ones, and you can't beat those). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.247.244.120 (talk) 01:28, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Origin...?
On a trip to Disneyworld we went to a pavilion about Mickey Mouse, and it explicitly told the story of the invention of Mickey Mouse: a train ride with his wife, drawing a mouse (just before he learned that he'd lost the rights to the lucky rabbit or something like that) and calling it Mortimer. His wife said that it was too pompous and said that he should call him Mickey. I didn't hear anything about the name "Moty." Can someone back me up on this, or is my memory fuzzier than I thought? BlueStarz 06:59, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

The only reference to "Moty" with regard to Mickey Mouse that I have ever seen is on Mickey's Wikipedia article page! Lillian Disney confirmed to me, back in the early 1990's, that the naming on the train story was "pretty much" true. The Mickey Rooney version of events seems very unoffical indeed, for example it is not mentioned under Mickey Rooney's entry in "The n+jkjkDisney A to Z - The Official Updated Encycolpedia" by Dave Smith, which is published by Disney's own publishing house, Hyperion. User: ukchris 06:05, 6 November 2006 (GMT)

"'Mortimer' had been Walt Disney's original name for Mickey before his wife Lillian convinced him to change it" - this statement appears in Mortimer Mouse - assuming it's true, isn't it worthy of mention in this article? Gr8white 06:35, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

- I remember a couple of cartoon characters called Morty and Ferdy appearing in Mickey Mouse annuals in my childhood; I think they were Mickey's brother's children, and I always assumed that Morty was a nod to Mickey's own original name TimothyJacobson 21:53, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

error in article
The article currently says: "When Disney asked oprah winphrey for a larger budget for his popular Oswald series, Mintz announced he had hired the bulk of Disney's staff but that Disney could keep doing the Oswald series as long as he agreed to a budget cut and went on the payroll." I have no idea why it says oprah winfrey but thought I should mention it here. I'd fix it but don't know what it should say instead, I'm assuming Mintz?

Homa24 20:16, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Mickey Mouse in politics
I've expanded Mickey_Mouse_clone_and_Hamas. A section on the use of Mickey Mouse in politics, e.g. in WWII allied propaganda, should be added, as they did in Wartime_Donald. Contemporary political (mis)uses like the Hamas issue would fit in there. Goebbels and Hitler were avid Mickey Mouse fans and had the allied embargo broken to enable private screenings for themselves, as officially Disney comics were deemed to be "degenerate". You'd have to research that.

Here's a World War II Poster and extensive info: Disney and World War II, "How Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck supported the U.S. and its Allies." --tickle me 01:59, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

The Complete Maus (Art Speigelman)
I was surprised that there is not a reference to the Nazi Paper quoation detalied on page 164 in the Book "Maus" by Art Speigelman.

To paraphrase the quote from the book:-"Mickey Mouse is the most miserable ideal ever revealed..." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jasey boy (talk • contribs) 15:21, 10 May 2007 (UTC).

Why would this reference be needed? --Disneystitch (talk) 17:51, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Because everyone loves Mickey. Except these stupid blackhearts. Post it. Now. No, I'm just kidding. It's not really impeccably necessary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.247.244.120 (talk) 01:30, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Ub Iwerks
JDawg32 keeps removing Ub Iwerks from the article, and I am getting sick of restoring it after every time. One since the quote is a book quote, can some one verify that Ub Iwerks is one of the creators. And what can we do? BeckyAnne(talk) 13:54, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Have you taken it to dispute resolution? I put Ub back in as creator, since that reference does back that fact up. I left Plane Crazy in as MM's first appearance - I'll leave that up to other editors to decide whether that or Steamboat Willy was his first appearance. It does seem clear that Disney considers SW to be MM's first official appearance. Derumi 20:27, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * No s/he just started a few days ago. BeckyAnne(talk) 21:40, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

If I may point out the fact that Walt Disney created, and did the very first drawing of, Mickey Mouse on a train a little while after all of the Oswald stuff went down. Ub Iwerks was the artist who first drew Mickey for publication (because Walt was never a very gifted artist). So, Ub Iwerks is not the creator, but, since he first drew the Mouse for publication, it could be said that he had a hand in his creation, or was one of the creators. But not THE creator. Xerotheory142 19:04, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Farfour is now dead
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1183053066461

Hamas TV on Friday broadcast what it said was the last episode of a weekly children's show featuring "Farfour," a Mickey Mouse look-alike who had made worldwide headlines for preaching Islamic domination and armed struggle to youngsters.

In the final skit, Farfour was beaten to death by an actor posing as an Israeli official trying to buy Farfour's land. At one point, Farfour called the Israeli a "terrorist."

That show is the most disgusting, ridiculous and Hell-worthy thing I have ever seen. Any supporters of it should be beaten and thrown in prison. Jews rock!

Mickey Mouse Operation
Redirects from Mickey Mouse Operation, does not explain the expression.

Seems to have been merged at some stage. I don't know enough to find the discussion that led to this move. I suggest a page be created for the expression in wikionary and a link provided -- EWR

Commonly used phrase meaning unprofessional or something done half heartedly i.e. "Joe went down to repair the valve but forgot his tools so he did a Mickey Mouse job with duct tape and clamps." Xear818 (talk) 18:35, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Farfur Query
I know much of the Disney family has been in uproar over the now-deceased Farfur character, but does anyone know if there had been any criticism of the character's usage by The Walt Disney Company (considering how protective they are about Mickey's image)? WAVY 10 15:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Image Clutter
Can we get some consensus on what images are representative and necessary, and where they should go? As of right now, this article has 19 images, up from the 11 images that were on the article just last week. One subsection has at least 3 images, and some of the images disrupt the flow of the article by spilling into other sections. For example, the Steamboat Willy image in this version occurs far below the section it was placed in (First Appearance of Black Pete), and I am operating on a 1440-wide screen.

I've removed the unsourced "Mickey" fresco as irrelevant and have moved the headshot to the top to take up some of the available whitespace. --健次 (derumi)talk 17:32, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Ship Anecdote
I've read of this story before. Dr. Toon's column in _Animation World Magazine_ for 9/29/07 (He's also commenting about Farfour):

"'There is a story dating back to the 1960s that tells of how a U.S. hospital ship had to solve the problem of getting children to come to the shore for health services. One doctor came up with the idea of painting a picture of Mickey Mouse on the side of the ship. Despite having no previous exposure to the Mouse, the kids were immediately attracted to the painting of a smiling Mickey, and hit the beach in swarms.'"

Is this pertinent to Wikipedia article? 71.206.221.118 21:34, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Evil mouse in Betty Boop
A mouse looking exactly like Mickey (except it has no pants) pops up in Fleischer's Betty Boop cartoons, "Jack and the Beanstalk" from 1931 and "Bimbo's initiation" the same year. This mouse is evil: in the first film it attempts more or less to rape a tied-up Betty, in the second, it locks Bimbo in the underworld. Is this a slur on a competing studio? Were there any legal consequences? Sponsianus 21:12, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Responses to above debates
I'm currently reading "Building A Company: Roy O Disney and The Creation of An Entertainment Empire" by Bob Thomas. Although I fear the book may be somewhat biased toward the company, it does answer some of the issues discussed above

TimothyJacobson 20:34, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It which claims Steamboat Willie was the first cartoon ever to use sound
 * It tells quite few anecdotes relating to copyright, with regards to both selling toys in the likeness of the Mouse, or the early attempts to create cartoons with similar looking mice.  In many cases, Walt threatened litigation, and settlements were made in his favour
 * Ironically, in one of the above cases, there was a deal made authorising a large company to be the only official merchandiser in Germany, then (less than a year later) all Mickey references in Germany were badmouthed by Hitler

Response to Flurry of Vandalism
I've noticed the page is being vandalized several times daily by many ill-meaning IPs, and I've reverted quite a bit of such on the page itself over the last few days. Is there any chance that this page could be locked so that only established users can edit it? No one has to do so, I'm just making a suggestion and trying to help. — Cinemaniac (talk) 01:01, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Disney magical quest, optional
I been wondering about an old game long ago related to the disney magical quest series. There was once a section where you can play 2 players as mickey and minney mouse both working together while they go through something as such with a different series of costumes. First costume was a vacuum attire for sucking in enemies or blowing them out. A second was a cowboy attire for riding along and shooting long range, and a third one was possibly a climbers outfit for hiking. I can't seem to find such information on the related links to mickey mouse. Can someone help? Mialover730 (talk) 12:53, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Strange, uncredited Mickey "facts"
I've researched Mickey and Disney for years, having worked for several licensees and even contributed to some published books. But I'm dubious about some uncredited "facts" that appear on the page presently:

• That "Mickey was created as a replacement for Oswald the Lucky Rabbit, an earlier cartoon character created by the Disney studio for Christian Mitchell of Universal Studios." Where does the name Christian Mitchell come from? I don't find it in Merritt and Kaufman's WALT IN WONDERLAND or the recent Oswald Rabbit DVD. Or maybe I overlooked it somehow?

• "Walt Disney got the inspiration for Mickey Mouse when he saw a dead mouse on the traintracks." What? It's often accepted that Walt came up with Mickey on a train trip, but I've never heard of a dead mouse on the tracks.

• Under PLANE CRAZY there is now a discussion of Hugh Harman and Rudy Ising still working with Disney at the time the cartoon was made, and perhaps (it's unclear) into 1929. Harman and Ising were working with Disney at the time PLANE CRAZY was made, but they did not work on PLANE CRAZY; rather, they worked on the remaining Oswald shorts. According to several sources, the only Oswald staffer who both worked on PLANE CRAZY and left to go to Mintz was Ben Clopton. So why are we mentioning Hugh and Rudy here?

Finally, I'm highly dubious that an incredibly detailed, highly emotional and "fannish" recounting of the Disney on Ice "The Incredibles" performance really belongs here. By the same token we could include descriptions of almost every Disney on Ice or Disney theme park show, as Mickey and Minnie costumed characters play major parts in huge numbers of them. Ramapith (talk) 01:12, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Speaking as Railroad Conductor, I can say in my whole Railroad career I have never seen a dead mouse on the tracks, and I can also say that from a passenger car it would be harder to see one. BeckyAnne(talk) 01:38, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

A Mickey Mouse "precursor"?
I'd like to propose to add the following interesting curiosity to Mickey Mouse article:

The logo of the old Neapolitan liquor and syrup factory La Sorgente, designed in 1920, is surprisingly similar to the first version of Mickey Mouse, though it was designed eariler than Disney's character. Guarracino (talk) 11:55, 24 Jan 2008 (CET)


 * If you've got a reference for it, then definitely go ahead. It really needs an external website that can very that this claim is correct. &mdash; alex.muller (talk • edits) 11:00, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


 * To me, the character on the bottle resembles a later 1940s Mickey Mouse, not the early one. Disneystitch (talk) 16:17, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

What about the following discussion (in Italian, sorry...) ? It does report the fact, but adds no "official" document. It reports that there was also a legal dispute long ago whose sentence was that the two characters were independently designed in a "converging" way. (talk) 14:44, 24 Jan 2008 (CET)


 * By the way, I registered, but still have no permission to edit this page (talk) 15:53, 24 Jan 2008 (CET)


 * The page is semi-protected, so your account has to be 4 days old to edit (I think). I'll have a look at that link later and reply here. Thanks &mdash; alex.muller (talk • edits) 14:56, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, something more than that discussion is needed, I'm afraid. Keep having a look (as will I) and we'll see if there's anything out there. &mdash; alex.muller (talk • edits) 22:02, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The same user, Guarracino, added that paragraph on it.wiki (italian article is not semi-protected). An administrator removed it, and Guarracino (or his sockpuppet) added it again. Please, cite a reliable source: in that forum page, people talk about a lawsuit, but they don't even remember when it happened. If you google for words like "lawsuit", "la sorgente", "disney", etc, you don't find anything related. Maybe the company was created in 1920, but it started later to use Mickey as a logo, maybe with Disney's permission, who knows? Again: we need a reliable source. Please, Guarracino, do talk about it in the italian talk page, as Marcok (italian admin) and I advised you... --KingFanel (talk) 15:14, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism?
"Disney got the inspiration for Mickey Mouse when he saw a dead mouse on the traintracks."

I believe this is vandalism. 76.126.29.36 (talk) 02:15, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Comic Book
This page should link to this page Mickey Mouse (comic book) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.253.64.213 (talk) 15:23, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

DHS Logo Appearance
Is Mickey's being in the Disney's Hollywood Studios logo mentioned in the article? 68DANNY2 (talk) 22:10, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Pat Powers?
has anyone noticed this sect5ion at the bottom of the article - it's badly written unsourced and confusing... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.234.243.2 (talk) 14:51, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Suggested section deletions
The article currently contains section-long discussions of MM cartoons without any real justification for the discussions. In other words, an encyclopedia article should try to be succinct, and present important information about a topic, not seemingly random strolls through the early MM catalog, with fannish attention to trivia. I recommend that the following sections be deleted: Mickey as suitor Depiction as regular mouse Mickey as soldier Mickey entering the Depression Era (except the last sentence, about MM Clubs) Classical music performances Departure of a co-creator and consequences (delete most of first paragraph) — Walloon (talk) 14:10, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Disney land
I think a section on mickey mouse at disneyland would be good. I know it may not seen that notable of an appearance, but unlike hte other costume characters, mickey mouse appears in his own attraction, mickey, where you get to meet him in a small group, unlike the other characters who just wander about and you don't get a chance to meet.

I dunno if anyone knows anything about mickey mouse's first appearance at disneyland or the other park or when the mickey's house attraction where you get to meet mickey was made, (the one at California disney looked like a newer atraction, certainly not as old as the origional rides like small world etc). What does everyone think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by OktoberSunset (talk • contribs) 13:34, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Mickey Mouse appeared at Disneyland when it opened and has been greeting fans ever since that time. --Disneystitch (talk) 18:11, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Hot dog
His catchphrase, as shown in The Mickey Mouse Clubhouse, is now "Hot dog". This links back to his first spoken words. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.108.6.10 (talk) 12:30, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Michael?
The headline above his picture says his name is Michael "Mickey" Mouse. Is there a source that confirms his actual name is Michael? I have never heard that before. MarkMc1990 (talk) 01:33, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Me neither! According to the article itself, however, "In the House of Mouse episode "Mickey and the Culture Clash", it is revealed that Mickey's real name is "Michael Mouse", with his first name pronouced as "Mee-khael"." I've got a mind to get rid of this information, as it seems a rather trivial bit with no real encyclopedic value. Anyone else agree? &mdash; Cinemaniac (talk •  contribs) 15:37, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


 * After waiting for several days for a response and seeing none here, I decided to be bold and cut that information out of the article, on the grounds that it appears to be just a "one-shot" gag not to be taken seriously. &mdash; Cinemaniac (talk •  contribs) 15:09, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry for a late response here, but Mickey was called Maestro "Mee-shell" Mouse when he appeared as the conductor in a late color Disney short. I'll try to find the title of the short soon.  Although, the name, again, is a joke on Mickey, it further supports the idea that "Mickey" comes from Michael. --Disneystitch (talk) 18:07, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, yes, I remember now! That cartoon was Symphony Hour.  Still, I don't believe it's anything more than some one-shot gag.  But then again, I could be wrong &mdash; y'know? :) &mdash; Cinemaniac (talk  •  contribs) 23:07, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Farfour.jpg
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Non pejorative use of Mickey's name
Worth noting that Cole Porter uses Mickey in the song "You're the Top" as one of his examples of things that are, well, the top. Cmnewman (talk) 01:54, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Mickey Mouse Act
There is a law regarding extending the copyriht of Mickey Mouse. Maybe this should be included218.103.220.149 (talk) 02:38, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Please remove non-NPOV tripe

 * Due to the fact that Mickey is such a cute, nice and appealing character to children he's also an irresistible target for cruel sexual, uncivilized and violent parodies.

Overlooking how poorly written the sentence is to begin with, the terms "cute", "nice", "appealing", "irresistible", "cruel" and "uncivilized" are incompatible with the word "fact". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.251.93.156 (talk) 15:23, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * A good point, and well made. pablo hablo. 15:29, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Mickey Mouse
In the spring of 2007 Mickey Mouse aka "Mighty Mick" plead out to charges of cocaine distribution. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jakesomedevil41 (talk • contribs) 17:44, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

"Electoral Career"
Given the context of the article, it seems like referring to the use of Mickey Mouse's name as a protest vote as an "electoral career" is intended as a tongue in cheek joke. While that is funny, it seems inappropriate for an encyclopedia. "Use in politics" would seem more serious, and it would allow the section to be expanded to deal with other uses of Mickey Mouse's name in politics, such as in fraudulent voter registrations.--Antodav2007 (talk) 06:34, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Mickey Mouse is 2 ft. tall but 4 ft. wide —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.82.122.196 (talk) 23:57, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Wayne Allwine
It has come to my attention that Wayne Allwine, the voice of Mickey for 26 years, died yesterday from diabetes. It can be confirmed here and here. As of right now, there is currently no voice actor of Mickey. ''' Dyla nlip (talk) 03:37, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


 * It's going to be a while until Disney can get a new voice actor for Mickey Mouse. In my opinion, Allwine had the "best" voice for Mickey Mouse. However, did Allwine start voicing Mickey in 1977 with The New Mickey Mouse Club or 1983 with Mickey's Christmas Carol. I would like to know so the voice actors for Mickey timeline can be straightened out? talk 21:19, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


 * A true loss for the Disney corporation. It's Sher Khan all over again. User:Werehog21 8:39 PM 5/20/2009 (UTC)

Mickey Mouse Correction Request
What does 'we all' mean at the end of the sentence: the redesign between 1938 and 1940 also put Mickey at the peak of his popularity. Surely this is an error of some sort. It's located in 'Departure of a co-creator and consequences' —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexander The Vegan (talk • contribs) 03:34, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

 I love Alex RumboI love Alex Rumbo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.216.215.229 (talk) 15:19, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

1994?
There appears to be a typo under "Departure of a co-creator and consequences", judging by it's position in the text, I would assume it is supposed to say '1934' not 1994' By 1934, Mickey merchandise had also earned $600,000.00 a year.[17]

In 1994, The Band Concert was voted the third-greatest cartoon of all time in a poll of animation professionals. By colorizing and partially redesigning Mickey, Walt would put Mickey back on top once again, and Mickey would also reach popularity he never reached before as audiences now gave him more appeal;[14] in 1935,... SirenHound (talk) 04:23, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Not done: I agree that the year appears ou of place, but the vote occurred in 1994. Celestra (talk) 05:08, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

1988 video game
There was a video game for home computers released in 1988 entitled "Mickey Mouse" by Gremlin Graphics - does WP have an article on it? 2fort5r (talk) 16:56, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

another Video game
Mickey was also in another video game called Disney's Meteos. This is a game for Nintendo DS and features many characters such as from Toy Story, the Little Mermaid, Lion King, and more. In this level of the game, Mickey and his friends are putting on the fireworks at Walt Disney World, and somethin has gone wrong. While you progress, Mickey and his friends become happy while the fireworks are back on.Silabub14 (talk) 05:10, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

-- Special Old, Very Very Old Game -- There was a side scrolling point click game with mickey mouse back in the early 90es or maybe some years before that, you could do a day of mickey with many features, who made it is not something I know or what it was called only that it was very old and that a whole of a lot of people are searching for this game, it isnt anywhere on this page so it surely needs to be if someone know anything about it, I will hold you updated if I find out what it is called, and when I find out I want to write the source, well just thought I wanted you to know... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deepfree (talk • contribs) 08:34, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

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Billy West
Is he really taking over Mickey Mouse? We'll soon find out. ~User:BuddyBoy600
 * I believe it's just a rumor! I couldn't find any specific citation that he will be the next voice for Mickey Mouse. (talk) 21:57, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Mickey's new voice
I just recently made an edit about Bret Iwan being the new voice actor for Mickey. There is reference here, so please do not delete: http://www.laughingplace.com/Latest.asp?I1=ID&I2=4303 --Ryan Holloway (talk) 20:59, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

UK article connects Hitler and Micky Mouse (not kidding)
Recently developed lip-reading technology has revealed Hitler to have been a fan of Mickey Mouse. Info is here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1534830/New-technology-catches-Hitler-off-guard.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.129.11.13 (talk) 09:40, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

1930
the comics about mickey suicide is not mentioned here 201.22.219.86 (talk) 10:47, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

CGI Mickey
There needs to be reference to Mickey being in CGI since 2003. The information from the last two paragraphs under Premise in Mickey Mouse Clubhouse needs to somehow be integrated into this article. I don't know whether we are supposed to use the most recent incarnation of a fictional character in the info box or not, but we do need to include a pic of CGI Mickey somewhere on the page.

I'd do it myself, but I'm not sure where it would fit. I'd at least like to give the people who have contributed often to the article first dibs. — trlkly 07:35, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

All*Star Micky
I added the all star game mickeys. The Flier which I got at Disneyland shows each statue and their locations so you can visit them. I bought one of the small statues just before the game at the Big-A. Next: photo of miniature Micky and if I can get one of the statues I'll add that also. I wish I could afford the $7500 starting price for the auction for a the 991 pound statue for my front yard. I was told that someone took a hammer to one of the statues and one is listed as damaged on the auction site. Eventually I'll add something to the All Star Game Article.

My wife noted that even the miniature has raised stitching on the ball! Saltysailor (talk) 06:31, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Mickey and his shadow
What's the Mickey Mouse cartoon in which he was animated with a real, dynamic shadow that changed according to the light source in a "real" way? I remember Rolf Harris explaining and demonstrating about it on his cartoon show. I think he said that the time/expense involved meant it wasn't viable to produce animation like that so the film in question remains an interesting anomaly. I think the story had a medieval setting with a king, a princess, and a bad dragon/giant/etc that Mickey had to fight. I'd like to track this film down and watch it. Does anyone know the one I'm talking about? Thanks Oliver9184 (talk) 10:41, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Voices in other languages
Ukrainian
 * Yuriy Kudriavets: 2007 - present —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yuraflash (talk • contribs) 11:21, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Colorization?
The article says " In later years, old Disney cartoons originally produced in black and white would undergo the colorization process." But the are no references to this. Is there any list where all the colorized shorts a included? 84.210.29.167 (talk) 02:28, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Good question. I found that that unsourced claim was added 13 December 2009 by an anonymous IP user. The credible articles and refs. pertaining to colorization list many such examples from Warner Bros. and other studios, but not Disney, so I have removed that statement from the article. The entire "Addition of color" section, which was originally only three sentences, was added by that same anon. user, and was out of place because Mickey first appeared in a color cartoon in 1935, which could not be considered an "Early landmark". The rest of the article deals with color in proper context, explaining how the character of Mickey evolved, such as the addition of his white gloves during the B&W years, and how the introduction of color helped the Disney studio boost Mickey's popularity in the pre-war years. The two-sentence item on color ("Mickey first appeared in color in 1935. The first Technicolor Disney film was Flowers and Trees from 1932.") disrupted the continuity of the article, since it appeared out of chronological sequence and did not follow the outline of this part of the article, which focuses on how Mickey evolved in his first few years. NameIsRon (talk) 04:02, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

The sucide mouse dilemma.
I know the video is a fake but in the cultural references section i think it should be mentioned. This would also help when people see the video and want to learn more about it and come here. When they see the link on the mickey mouse page they may finnally learn about the hoax. just wondering if it should be mentioned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.187.157.59 (talk) 22:00, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

MISTAKES

 * The second paragraph of the "Creation and Debut" section seems to be missing important information.  The sentence begining "Disney was dismayed at the betrayal by his staff..." is confusing because nothing in the preceding material mentions any betrayal by his staff.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.237.253.19 (talk) 03:56, 24 January 2011 (UTC)


 * The first daily strip drawn by Gottfredson was the 1930-05-05 one.
 * "In 1938, based on the Ministry of Popular Culture's recommendation that a reform was necessary "to raise children in the firm and imperialist spirit of the Fascist revolution," the Italian Government banned Mickey and other foreign Children's literature.[51]" THIS IS WRONG!!! Benito Mussolini did like Mickey Mouse (his children read the weekly "Topolino") so in 1938 he banned foreign comics except Mickey Mouse. If you don't believe me, go to INDUCKS and search "Topolino (giornale) #468" (1941), #477" (1942) exc. You'll find out that, until to February 3, 1942 (#477), Mickey's Gottfredson stories are still published. Mickey Mouse was banned on February 3 1942 (Topolino #477) because the United States declared war to Italy). Topolino (Mickey's italian name) was replaced by Tuffolino, an human character very similar to Mickey (a plagiarism). The first Tuffolino story is a remake of Gottfredson's Mickey Mouse Supersalesman (1941).--79.30.173.69 (talk) 20:23, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

I was right. Mickey wasn't banned in Italy in 1938:
 * " The productions of Mr. Walt Disney are to be exempted from a general decree of the Ministry of Popular Culture that everything of foreign inspiration is to disappear from, juvenile periodicals in Italy by the end of the year, said the Rome correspondent of "The Times" on November 18. The decree was prompted by the feeling that an excellent opportunity, of inculcating Fascist ideals in the youthful Italian mind was being neglected by allowing pure fancy to run riot in the pictures and "comic strips" of the coloured' juvenile weeklies which are as common in Italy as in any other country. Publishers and editors were accordingly informed that these periodicals must in future be used to exalt the military and heroic virtues of the Italian race. The foreign stuff was to go. But an exception has now been made in favour of Mr. Walt Disney on account of the acknowledged artistic merit' of his work. This will be good news to Italian boys and girls, who were threatened with the loss of Mickey Mouse (well known in every Italian household under the name of Topolino) and many another familiar friend. " (Evening Post, Volume CXXVI, Issue 151, 23 December 1938, Page 16. Article "Mickey Mouse reprieved.")




 * Please, correct this article. I suggest everyone to be more careful. The Times itself said at page 12 of the issue of November 19, 1938 that Mickey was exempted from the decree. Who inserted this false fact read only the article published in the issue of 16th november, who said that fascism wanted to forbid Mickey but he/she didn't read the fact that fascism changed its mind on November 18. We have to read many different sources before writing an article or a part of it, in this way the risk of making mistakes become lower. Michele from Italy--79.23.147.24 (talk) 12:50, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The article has been fixed. Burpelson AFB (talk) 02:06, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Toy and Games
Mickey has also been seen in the Balloon industry for ever from printed birthday balloons to Balloon Twisting. I my self have even created Mickey look a like balloon characters and hats. Mickey Mouse Balloon Hat

TheBalloonBandit (talk) 10:29, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Mickey is a nickname?
This is the first I've heard of Mickey not being his real name, and the references are rather obscure. I've just finished watching both Symphony Hour and "Mickey and the Culture Clash". In the first, he is introduced as Maestro Mitchell Mouse (but I don't think anyone would argue that Pete's real name is Sylvester Macaroni, as his character is called in this short). The House of Mouse episode follows the storyline of Mickey trying to seem more sophisticated. He calls himself Michael (or possibly Mitchell) Mouse, Esquire. Is anyone able to find some more concrete evidence that Mickey is a nickname? It doesn't appear in any of the Disney-published books I own. Vpw (talk) 06:17, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

"Mickey Mouse is the most miserable ideal..."
I have trouble dating the quote to the Nazi era because nobody revealed what year that phrase was typed in a newspaper in Pomerania. All of the sources I looked up said that "Micky Maus ist das schändlichste Vorbild" was put in some anonymous Pomeranian newspaper in the "mid-1930s", and even then, the information seems to have originated with Art Spiegelman's Maus. So where did Spiegelmann get the quote from, exactly? And when was it published? June 22, 1979 (talk) 07:32, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Please note that my username might be confusing in this context. I am interested in when in the 1930s that article came about... thank you very much. June 22, 1979 (talk) 07:38, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Mickey's First appearance
There is a citation in the infobox that says that Steamboat Willie is the first Mickey Mouse cartoon, yet the information keeps being changed to Plane Crazy. The Disney company accepts that Steamboat Willie is the first as well. Although both Plane Crazy and The Gallopin' Gaucho were animated before Steamboat Willie, they were not released until after Steamboat Willie. They were previewed for studio executives, but none of them were purchased for distribution. Never has a previewed film ever been considered as a release. Since the Walt Disney Company considers Steamboat Willie as Mickey's first film, it should be annotated as such here.-- JOJ Hutton  00:24, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Pejorative use of Mickey's name
We do not need a list of every time the phrase has been used in pop culture. None of these instances are significant to warrant being listed. Stating the origin of the term as a pejorative would be more useful to include. --Havermayer (talk) 05:45, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Mickey Minstrel?
In the 'Parodies and criticism' section, it reads:

Mickey Mouse was originally portrayed as a minstrel character.

No, he wasn't. In Plane Crazy he was a pilot, in Steamboat Willie he was at a ship's wheel, etc. etc. No source is cited that suggests otherwise.

From 1929 to well into the 1930s the character of Mickey Mouse was understood and openly described as "minstrel".

No, he wasn't. He was a minstrel in Ye Olden Days (as the source says) - but so what? I get the feeling that someone (possibly with an agenda) is trying to equate being a minstrel with racial stereotypes, but a quick look at the cartoon in question dispels this instantly. He's a minstrel in the old English sense.

These portrayals can be seen in early depictions such as the original version of "Steamboat Willie"

Again, no. The cited source is merely the cartoon's IMDB page, which says nothing that backs up this statement.

as well as "Mickey's Mellerdrammer", the advertising for which featured Mickey in blackface with pronounced facial features understood to resemble caricatures of African-Americans in the 1930s.

This is the only part of the while paragraph that actually holds any water - but it desperately needs to be reworded. He's still not a minstrel. In Mickey's Mellerdrama, Mickey is taking part in a play, and blacks up for his role. Nothing out of the ordinary in the days of Al Jolson, so I don't actually know how much criticism it actually received (bear in mind this is in the 'Parodies and criticism' section). No sources are cited - again. I strongly suspect that someone is trying to go down the "Disney was a racist" route, but in this case at least, they're making a mountain out of a molehill. Any thoughts? 213.107.110.183 (talk) 19:11, 17 May 2011 (UTC)


 * ✅ Pigby (talk) 05:21, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Place of creation
Is there a citation stating that Mickey Mouse was actually created "in" the studio as the lead now suggests, or simply animated there?-- JOJ Hutton  00:20, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I haven't read the citation, but the first sentence means that the first Mickey films were made "at" the studio, which is from other sources. I'm not sure what the difference is between Mickey's actual creation and his first animation, since it seems Mickey's first appearance was animated. You could get endlessly technical with this one. For instance, was Mickey really created during Walt's train trip from New York to Los Angeles, and if so are we talking about Mickey as an idea or Mickey as an actual cartoon on paper. Also, should concept art be considered Mickey or not. All that might be covered elsewhere in the article, but for the lead section I thought this was the best, most succinct way of putting it. Feel free to change it if you want. Pigby (talk) 00:45, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Its just semantics, but as I read it now, it looks like Mickey was actually brainstormed in the building.-- JOJ Hutton  03:01, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I think you're reading too much into it. Brainstorming is kind of synonymous with "conceived," "dreamed up," " was inspired by," etc. But this is not what the sentence says. It reads "Mickey Mouse [was] created ... at The Walt Disney Studio." "Created" is synonymous with "came to life," "manifest," or "established the existence of." Again, I won't feel hurt if you want to change it, I just think you're reading what's not there. I thought it was important right away to establish the connection between Mickey's creation and the animation studio, since he was first a movie star.
 * Oh, one more point, "The Walt Disney Studio" refers to the company, since split into the parent company and the animation studios, and doesn't necessarily refer to the physical buildings. For example, there are separate Wikipedia articles for Walt Disney Studios (Burbank) and Walt Disney Animation Studios. So it doesn't necessarily specify whether or not Walt or Ub created Mickey while working in the office or at home or wherever. But they did create him as part of their work for the studio. Don't you love getting into the nitty-gritty? :) Pigby (talk) 05:18, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Hollywood Party (1934) on Full Length Films
Mickey Mouse appeared in the Full Length MGM Film Hollywood Party animated by Walt Disney Productions. This film should be added to the list of Full Length Films. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jenandlaw (talk • contribs) 17:38, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Use in politics
The 1932 song ''What! No Mickey Mouse?'' has lyrics that encourage people to vote Mickey Mouse for President. Is this song the source of the "Mickey Mouse protest vote" that continues even today? Evan1975 (talk) 01:44, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Apparant free alternative available
After a discussion over at commons, it's been concluded that Disney have forgotten to renew the copyright of → Aza Toth 22:32, 22 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Added! I replaced the intro image; the others seem defensible at this stage - David Gerard (talk) 23:11, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Can't say that I'm thrilled with that image in the info box. Seems too busy, and really detracts from the article.-- JOJ Hutton  23:14, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Is there a free alternative available that is better? Kevin (talk) 23:21, 22 October 2011 (UTC)


 * It's public domain. Want to make a derivative? I might do so now - David Gerard (talk) 23:23, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * This is maybe just a personal opinion, but I think the old image did a better job of identifying Mickey, by showing him in his red shorts, etc.Pigby (talk) 23:26, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * But that image wasn't free. We can't use a fair use image when we have a free image that can replace it, can we? Kevin (talk) 23:28, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * From the policy statement on this page "Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose." I added my own emphasis of course. I just think the old image has a better encyclopedic value that the new image doesn't have, in that the old one does a better job of identifying the subject. But that's just my opinion.Pigby (talk) 23:38, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I hate the new image in the info box, but I'm torn on the whole non-free crap that is always at the center of these debates. If there is not a non-free image of just Mickey, and only Mickey available, as the original image was, then the two images do not serve the same encyclopedic purpose, and the fair use rationale would still exist for the previous image.-- JOJ Hutton  23:45, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * "Equivalent" in this case would mean "serving the same purpose". Whereas the film frame captures might be defensible as irreplaceable, the illustration at the top is purely illustrative. Saying "the nonfree version is nicer" is unlikely to be accepted.
 * I'm just uploading my cropped version and it too is much nicer. Wait a few minutes :-) - David Gerard (talk) 23:50, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No, i never said nicer, but its less busy. It depicts a more modern and full color image of the subject and gives greater detail and has less around it to detract from the article. So they do not serve the same purpose.-- JOJ Hutton  23:55, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * This argument would, in my experience, be really unlikely to fly. In any case, I've just uploaded and added a version (possibly the first ever entirely legal third-party derivative of Mickey Mouse to be made without the permission of the Walt Disney Company in recorded history) which is much less busy and much nicer - David Gerard (talk) 00:08, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Very nice job on the crop, David. Keegan (talk) 03:53, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

BTW, the - seems Disney slipped up and failed to renew this particular poster. Derivatives are in the clear to the impossibly paranoid standards of Commons if they only use the content of this precise poster, and don't pull in any other Disney material. Now to find Donald and the others ... - David Gerard (talk) 00:33, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Second commons DR has been closed as kept ( see ). → Aza Toth 22:50, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

"Developed by" infobox field
I put this in a short time back crediting Floyd Gottfredson and Fred Moore (animator). The reason was simply that I wanted the infobox to reflect a "big picture" of Mickey as much as possible, but hopefully not cluttering it in the process. From what I have read, these two men seem to have as much to do with who Mickey is today as Disney and Iwerks do. Gottfredson is called Mickey's "second father" in the book Mickey Mouse in Color and wrote and drew the comic strip for 45 years. Moore was the animator who redesigned Mickey and is largely responsible for his current appearance.

I only say this because someone deleted the field. Maybe it wasn't understood what the point was, or maybe it was. But for what it's worth, I thought I should put my thoughts out there. That's all. :) Pigby (talk) 02:59, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Mickey Mouse As A Soldier ...
Is it possible Mickey Mouse was a soldier ?173.178.93.250 (talk) 21:22, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
 * A little late on this, but yes, there is a cartoon in which Mickey is seen in a photograph in a soldiers uniform. Can't remember the name of it off hand, but it was an informational cartoon to educate people on why to save bacon grease and where to take it.-- JOJ Hutton  23:52, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look at the Walt Disney Treasures collection of war-time shorts and see if I can find it. I do know there's one where Minnie and Pluto appear to encourage saving bacon grease, but I don't recall Mickey appearing in it, unless it's a like a picture of Mickey in uniform that Minnie has in her home in the short. -- McDoob  AU  93  17:42, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Update: The short is called "Out of the Frying Pan into the Firing Line" and it's as described above. Minnie and Pluto learn about how used cooking fats can be used to make glycerin. When Pluto hears that waste fats can be turned into extra bullets for soldiers, he turns and sees a picture of Mickey in uniform. -- McDoob  AU  93  03:59, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Infobox image
I'm no expert on all of wikipedia's so-called image policies, and in fact most of it doesn't make much sense to me at all. Yet, until last month, we had a perfectly acceptable and fair-use image in the info box for years. Nobody questioned it until some purportedly "free" image was somehow discovered and switched out in the info box, based on the fair use policies of wikipedia. That image was not acceptable for the info box and was cropped for better clarity. Now that image was later deleted, as well as the previous image that had been in the article for several years. To be honest with everyone, it makes me sick and disgusted when people can not just leave well enough alone. Now we are left with an uncolored head shot of the subject that is less than perfect and unacceptable for the infobox.-- JOJ Hutton  17:39, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * My understanding is that having a free alternative (or "equivalent") available negated any fair-use rationale. But it seemed like the question came down to what defines "equivalent" which is a little subjective in this case. The policy defines it as serving the same "encyclopedic purpose." While I'm not very opinionated about it, I agree with you that the old image did a better job of this than either of the free alternatives. Seeing as how this wasn't discussed formally, I would say just go ahead and put the old picture back up there. If it gets challenged again then just make sure to set up a formal discussion. Pigby (talk) 04:58, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately the old picture was "bot" deleted because it was no longer being used in an article, which happened because it was no longer being used in this article because someone removed it in order to replace it with a "free" image, which now too has been deleted. Can you see the steam coming from my ears.-- JOJ Hutton  02:43, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * First of all, relax; it's not worth getting upset over. It's simple enough to upload a new image. I can put it back up myself if you want. Pigby (talk) 23:36, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Sweet Mother of Abraham Lincoln.-- JOJ <sup style="color:#CC9900;">Hutton  02:17, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Television and later films
In the 1950s, Mickey became more known for his appearances on television, particularly with the Mickey Mouse Club. Many of his theatrical cartoon shorts were rereleased on television series such as Ink & Paint Club, various forms of the Walt Disney anthology television series, and on home video. Mickey returned to theatrical animation in 1983 with Mickey's Christmas Carol, an adaptation of Charles Dickens' A Christmas Carol in which Mickey played Bob Cratchit. This was followed up in 1990 with The Prince and the Pauper. Throughout the decades, Mickey Mouse competed with Warner Bros.' Bugs Bunny for animated popularity. But in 1988, in a historic moment in motion picture history, the two rivals finally shared screen time in the Robert Zemeckis Disney/Amblin film Who Framed Roger Rabbit. Disney and Warner signed an agreement stating that each character had exactly the same amount of screen time, right down to the micro-second. Similar to his animated inclusion into a live-action film on Roger Rabbit, Mickey made a featured cameo appearance in the 1990 television special The Muppets at Walt Disney World where he met Kermit the Frog. The two are established in the story as having been old friends. The Muppets have otherwise spoofed and referenced Mickey over a dozen times since the 1970s. Eventually, The Muppets were purchased by the Walt Disney Company in 2004. Mickey appeared on several animated logos for Walt Disney Home Entertainment, starting with the "Neon Mickey" logo and then to the "Sorcerer Mickey" logos used for regular and Classics release titles. His most recent theatrical cartoon short was 1995's short Runaway Brain, while in 1999–2004, he appeared in made-for-video features, like Mickey's Once Upon a Christmas; Mickey, Donald, Goofy: The Three Musketeers; and the computer-animated Mickey's Twice Upon a Christmas. Many television programs have centered around Mickey, such as the recent ABC shows Mickey Mouse Works (1999—2000), Disney's House of Mouse (2001—2003) and the Disney Channel's Mickey Mouse Clubhouse (2006–present). Prior to all these, Mickey was also featured as an unseen character in the Bonkers episode "You Oughta Be In Toons".

Feature film
Mickey has recently been announced to star in two films. One is a live-action/CGI hybrid film based on the Magic Kingdom theme park at the Walt Disney World Resort, while the other is a film idea pitched by Walt Disney Animation Studios veteran Burny Mattinson centering around Mickey, Donald and Goofy. If greenlit, it will be the 54th film in the Disney Animated Features canon and the first starring Mickey and his friends.

Norcross1991 (talk) 16:37, 20 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I can't add the first para, because you didn't give any references. I'll add the referenced parts of the second, per WP:BRD.  Chzz  ► 22:50, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

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