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Mouseton ≠ Duckburg
"The city they live in is called Mouseton, according to the comic books under the Disney Comics Imprint. (...) It is also occasionally identified as Duckburg," Mouseton and Duckburg are two distinct towns. Also, while in Disney cartoons characters from Mouseton (e.g. Mickey Mouse, Goofy, Horace Collarhorse...) and from Duckburg (Donald Duck, Uncle Scrooge, Chip 'n Dale...) are allowed to meet, according to the stricter rules applied by the Walt Disney Company to comics, in nowadays comic books there should be no contact between the universe of Duckburg and that of Mouseton. I hope this helps. :) Hroswith 18:07, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * "Mouseton and Duckburg are two distinct towns." This is language-dependent. In some languages, such as Italian, they are always different towns ("Topolinia" and "Paperopoli" respectively). In other languages, such as Swedish, they are always one and the same (or at least carry the same name: "Ankeborg"). In yet other languages, such as English, they are sometimes different towns, and sometimes one and the same. The naming of Mickey's home town in English is inconsistent. (Stefan2 (talk) 19:24, 13 January 2008 (UTC))
 * Surely only the language the comics were actually written in should count? --DocumentN (talk) 21:06, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The rule (somewhat recent) that standardises the use of Disney characters in comics states that the two towns are distinct and that characters living in one cannot meet chracters from the other (rare exceptions are still possible in special circumstances, such special anniversaries). This rule does not affect animation, as it is only effective in comics. This dictat is very strictly observed by the Walt Disney Company - Italy (which is the official international referrer for Disney comic production). On the other hand, local productions, such as stories published in the Nordic countries or South America may not follow this rule, as they adhere to a different local tradition. Source: official. I hope this helps a bit. Hroswith (talk) 16:20, 3 July 2008 (UTC):::

Acceptions
What characters are considered "part" of the universe?Mouseton and Duckburg are both places made up for Mickey Mouse and his friends to live,so which places are considered of these places,shouldnt the Mickey Mouse Universe be any characters relating to Mickey Mouse?In a specific cartoon,not in shows like House Of Mouse where many characters are gathered.--D3t3ctiv3 (talk) 17:33, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Oswald?
Does Oswald live in this universe? Or did he at one point, if one follows the story of Epic Mickey? -unknownwarrior33 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.161.196.136 (talk) 04:26, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Article a mess
This article is a mess, it seems to confuse the animated universe (such as House of Mouse etc. with the comics universe, which is a lot more strict. Too many ducks, etc. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 21:09, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * And why is the use of AJAX products (!) the first fact we state about the MM Universe? And who decided that the main characters were called "VIP" characters—a term I've never heard in my 18 years of professional Disney work? I'm going to change this. Ramapith (talk) 23:42, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Be consequent
Duck universe are not longer allowed to be named "Donald Duck universe", and that creates confusion. Either, it should get it's old name again, or else this articled should be named "Mouse universe" or something like this. And I know that many characters are not mouses, but there's even many characters in the other universe who are not ducks.--Buggwiki (talk) 14:11, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Unsourced
This article needs sources, and lots of them. Pjrich (talk) 14:50, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

J. Audubon Woodlore
This park ranger is a Duck universe character operating in Duckburg. He should be on the equivalent Duck universe page, not here. I'd move him, but I'm unsure of how to get him out of menus, etc. related to this page. Ramapith (talk) 19:40, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Arizona Goof origin
According to a search on INDUCKS the first story was I predatori del tempio perduto, by Bruno Sarda and illustrated by Maria Luisa Uggetti, not Massimo de Vita. Does anyone know where to verify/resolve this? –St.nerol (talk) 19:41, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Long dog (dachshund?) in early Mickey Mouse cartoons
Is there a name for the long, flexible dog character seen in early Mickey Mouse cartoons (for example, the skinny dog in Plane Crazy, or in  [see, for example, 5:22 of the latter])? πr2 (t • c) 20:30, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Is it even a dog? πr2 (t • c) 20:31, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

The long dog is indeed a dachshund and his name is Wienie, as given in the very first comics written by Walt Disney himself. Ramapith (talk) 18:43, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Simple Confusion Made Easy
Is it just me or is everyone missing three very simple facts. It is already said in this that the official explanation for a lot of non-sequitur locations and odd naming is that Mickey, Donald etc are all actors employed by Disney (According to the proper continuity).

Therefore the information on locations needs to be broken into two parts.

The Real (fictional) world
 * Which contains all the real places as well as Mickey's Toon Town which is part of a wider USA and probably has it's back against toontowns from other companies. It is:
 * Somewhere near Hollywood and includes Mickey's Castle. He is regent king of the area.
 * The area contains a number of suburbs such as Mouseton, topolina, the farm he used to live on, etc.

And the Fictional towns created in the shows they act
 * which is in the fictional state of Calisota
 * includes cities such as DuckBerg, Silo Centre, st canard, eureka etc
 * and is actually a set of backlots, stages, accessed through a dimensional portal (goodness knows what),

I'm sure by going along and drawing a dividing line it would soon become obvious what areas are most likely in the real (fictional) world and which are contextually related to shows that Mickey and his friends have worked on or starred in as actors? Wildwinni (talk) 14:45, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, and please remember that there is a clear timeline to the stories. So all the names of places he's lived may be where he has lived, but not where he is today. It would make sense. I mean, people do move town sometimes :D Wildwinni (talk) 14:57, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Wildwinni, you've made everything much more confusing. You can't just mix Roger Rabbit, Disneyland, Kingdom Hearts, and Mickey comics continuity. Mickey is only a king in Kingdom Hearts. Mickey only lives in Toontown in Roger Rabbit and Disneyland continuity.

Oh, and please learn to spell Duckburg (it's not "DuckBerg")! Ramapith (talk) 18:47, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Article is a mess
More than a year after I pointed out that J. Audubon Woodlore is a Duck universe character unrelated to Mickey Mouse, he is still here.

"Herman Beetle" also belongs in the Duck universe and, as presented here, is an unsourced fan amalgamation of two characters. In the old Disney shorts, Grandpa Bootle Beetle had two grandsons, Ezra and Herman (both appear in Morris the Midget Moose, 1950). In later TV specials, Herman was Ludwig Von Drake's assistant/pet. The writer here has mistakenly blurred Herman and Grandpa into one.

There's a character called "Jessie Mouse" who appears to be a fanon creation, added to the page as a joke.

Who edits this mess? Ramapith (talk) 05:01, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Minnie Mouse's real name is Minerva Mouse, so should her name be Minerva "Minnie" Mouse? I know it is rarely used but it is technically more correct.JhanJensen (talk) 16:51, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Ortensia the Cat
This paragraph contains false infromation:

As a side note, Ortensia is an Italian name that means "gardener", something that some of her art related to Epic Mickey shows to be a hobby of hers.

In Italian, ortensia means hydrangea. A person who takes care of a garden is a giardiniere; a person who cultivates small edible vegetables is an ortolano (female: ortolana). It is true that a market garden is called an orto in Italian but ortensia is just a flower, not a female ortolano.--Carnby (talk) 14:39, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Pete's Species
Pete isn't a wolf, he's a cat, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:0:7180:330:353F:2F7C:60D6:E1F7 (talk) 03:50, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

No, Pete has ALWAYS been supposed to be a wolf. I beleave Pete of not being a cat ("Who ever heard of a cat had a canine-like snout?!") I fixed this article to wolf for Pete's species, But he was formerly a cat with his tail only. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:989:0:3D7E:198E:BBCC:D24F:8EFB (talk) 00:46, 21 June 2015 (UTC)


 * See these references here and here, where disney books describe the character as a cat.  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   14:13, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Ajax as a fictional company
While Ajax in this article is identified as a counterpart to Warner's ACME, some Warner Bros. pictures actually substituted ACME for...a fictional company called Ajax. Some examples: in "Daffy Dilly", the Ajax Rib Tickler. In "The Ducksters", Ajax Broadcasting Company. Et cetera. As in Disney's case, we have no clue if the name is based on the real life companies or perhaps a reference to the Hudson and Landry radio show. Regardless, it should be noted that both companies have used that name. In fact, the ACME article (using the lowercase "Acme", mind you, I won't go into semantics) has an Ajax redirect to this article's Ajax section under "See also". Perhaps some clarification is in order. --198.72.11.1 (talk) 14:14, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Casty's characters
Maybe some of Casty's additions to the MM universe could be added to this article. Eurasia Tost in particular, she has quite a few fans among the European comic readers :) Jules TH 16 (talk) 09:54, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

The Origin of Mortimer Mouse
The origin of Mortimer is somewhat incorrect, he was originally introduced as Minnie's Uncle in 1930 but this was retconned by 1936 and has instead been Mickey's rival ever since as well Minnie's ex-boyfriend. 24.152.143.149 (talk) 20:04, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Minnie's nephew
Minnie has a nephew named Manfred in the comic Mickey Mouse #243. https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Walt-Disney-s-Mickey-Mouse/Issue-243?id=76106#27 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.21.24.53 (talk) 04:50, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

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Merge proposal
Sylvester Shyster needs to have his own page like the other characters. He also needs to be called out in the "Main characters" section - not tagged onto Pete. I have research for this character and can change this later (I need to make an account here first). Vidarr  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:7F7:A881:9090:41B7:669D:1C7:3DBB (talk) 14:40, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

I come with this proposal to merge the following characters into this article under the characters section:


 * Eli Squinch
 * Sylvester Shyster
 * Chief O'Hara
 * Detective Casey
 * Eega Beeva
 * Clara Cluck
 * Willie the Giant
 * Salty the Seal
 * Fifi the Peke
 * Dinah the Dachshund
 * Butch the Bulldog
 * Doctor Vulter
 * Sleuth (Disney)
 * Kat Nipp
 * Doctor Einmug
 * Arizona Goof
 * Ellsworth (character)

This is because none of these characters have managed to prove notability outside Disney media (comics, series, short films, etc.) With this, I mean that none have received deep coverage by reliable secondary sources independent from the primary works, and also none of them have impact in popular culture the same way as the main core of characters (Mickey, Donald, Pluto, etc.)

I am fully aware that some of these characters like Clara Cluck are also in the Donald Duck universe. In this case, they will also be featured in the list of characters of the Duck universe with a link to this page. -- LoЯd  ۞pεth  00:49, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Which characters should be considered part of the Mickey Mouse universe? The article Scrooge McDuck universe seems to have some fixed criteria largely emanating from Carl Barks' stories, but this article is a mess. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 00:13, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Amen! Why is J. Audubon Woodlore (who usually appears with Donald Duck) here? Why are the Beagle Boys here? I'm okay with Lord Opeth's original merge proposal, but that's because the characters he listed are actually associated more with Mickey than with the Ducks.Ramapith (talk) 23:16, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Personally I'd think an article concerning Mickey Mouse comics would make the most sense, but at least we should have more clearly defined criteria. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 17:02, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 November 2018
Spelling correction: change "The Three Muskateers" to "The Three Musketeers" in paragraph 3 of Continuity Development.

Usage correction: change "The character was adopted to comics of Italian artists" to "The character was adapted to comics of Italian artists" in paragraph 2 of Eega Beeva. Borbickle Smoop (talk) 02:40, 9 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done Gulumeemee (talk) 07:48, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Eega Beeva doesn't eat mothballs
Whoever wrote this article, translated it from Italian. Eega Beeva eats kumquats, chinese mandarins, translated as mothballs in Italy. I can't fix it personally because the article is protected. Shelidon (talk) 15:12, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Fixed. --Newblackwhite (talk) 14:31, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Drafts
List of Mickey Mouse universe media is now in drafts for people who wa to work on it. Fan Of Lion King 🦁 (talk) 08:53, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Is that supposed to be a US-only thing? I feel compelled to add Topolino, one of the longest running weeklies and a major source of Disney comics, especially these days. Jules TH 16 (talk) 20:35, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Where's Captain Doberman and Gloomy the mechanic??
They were featured in multiple classic comic strip adventures of the mid-1930's and also appeared in the Italian comics! Along with the 1940's detective stories, these were some of Mickey's all-time greatest and most-beloved adventures!

The characters were co-created by artist/writer/studio director Floyd Gottfredson who drew and plotted the stories and scriptwriter Ted Osborne. 72.220.73.191 (talk) 21:40, 30 June 2022 (UTC)