Talk:Microbrewery/Archive 1

Rename to "Craft Beer"?
If any organization in america should define microbrewing, brew pubs, and craft brewing, it is the brewers association. This is basically the beverage industry organization that represents brewers other than the macros and collects market data and that sort of stuff which member breweries have access to.

The Brewer's Association regards "craft brewing" as an approach to making beer that tries to make flavorful and distinctive beer rather than watery american light lager. Within the industry, there are regional craft brewers, microbreweries and brewpubs. The former may make up to 2,000,000 barrels a year; mircobreweries cap out at 15,000 barrels per year; brew pubs are defined by selling 25% or more of the breweries product in an on-site pub.

This classification seems to me to offer a better representation of the landscape of non-macro american beer. Many former microbrews are not any longer, and that's because the beer is good (along with being well marketed), not because they've betrayed the spirit of craft brewing.philosofool (talk) 21:46, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Here's a link on the subject of these definitions from the BA: philosofool (talk) 21:47, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

merged with brewpub?
Brew pub is specifically diferent than a microbrew, sure they both make beer... but seriously there are many diferences'

craft brew
This needs to be better defined, lots of beers are adjunct heavy and still craft brews. One thing is absolutly certain Samuel Adams is NOT craft brew. It is budwiser with added color and god knows what else they put into their beers, some are just aweful.


 * The Brewer's Association (the largest association of breweries in america which includes almost all of them) is defined on this page. While that definition is somewhat vague ("use of adjuncts to enhance flavor rather than lighten it"), the definition is no worse than anyone you could give for "chair" craft brewing defined.

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Note: the number of microbreweries is highly suspect, most sites claim 1000+ or 1500+. Another source is needed.

Merge Craft beer into this article
They overlap and deal with the same thing. BalfourCentre 13:19, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Done.  SilkTork  * SilkyTalk 09:11, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Craft beer talk page
Hey, now .. . someone has made a well-intentioned start on a topic that's of interest to me, and I'd think to you too, based on your post. I'd agree, though that this could use expansion and editing, although 'craft beer' is a loose enough term that there's sure to be a wide range of interpretations of what it means. I'd certainly like to see this page developed further, and I'll try to take some time to make some contributions myself in the near future. --Shorn again 20:56, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

OK, so I made an edit. I removed the Brew Guild link as it seemed to place disproportionate importance on one local brewing supply store. If anyone feels strongly it should be included, I would propose a page for brewing supply retailers. I also external-linked the Brewer's Association website to the reference made to it. I tried to massage the language a bit to promote NPOV and better flow, and added some general history. It still needs a lot of work, and particularly more citations and facts. Something about the percent of the marker craft beer represents would be good. And what the heck are the 'rules of alternating proprietorship' anyhow and who follows them? --Shorn again 02:15, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Merge into Micro brewery
They are related and the terms are almost/sometimes are interchangeable BalfourCentre 13:20, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Merge Brewpub
A brewpub is a type of microbrewery, as such it is appropriate that it should have a section within this article.  SilkTork  * SilkyTalk 15:27, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

WHERE are the four surviving brewpubs?
At the end of the third paragraph about brewpubs, the claim is made that four pubs (All Nations, The Old Swan, the Three Tuns and the Blue Anchor) managed to survive the 20th century trend of brewpub closures; the claim is even sourced - Good Beer Guide 1985. Can someone with access to the Good Beer Guide 1985 add the LOCATION of these brewpubs to the article? There are Three Tuns in Gateshead, Hay on Wye, Canterbury, Marylebone (London), Durham, Osmotherley (North Yorks), Bishops Castle (Shropshire), etc., etc., etc. Which one is the Three Tuns in question? (I can't begin to imagine how many Old Swans there must be!) Many thanks! --Blake the bookbinder (talk) 17:31, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Craft Breweries Per Capita?
That is a truly meaningless statistic in the context of this article. I think readers would be far more interested in the number of craft breweries per state. At simple glance it looks like Montana has a whole lot or microbreweries. Then you read closer and realize that that gigantic state only may have about 20 since there's less than a million people there. Would anyone object if I found a better graphic?Discordian (talk) 20:58, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I find the microbreweries-per-capita map fairly useful; it enables the viewer to see at a glance the degree to which craft-brew culture has flourished in some parts of the country (the Pacific Northwest and northern New England) much more than in others (the Midwest and the Deep South). I'd vote for keeping it. 65.213.77.129 (talk) 19:33, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

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Definition section
I think the Definition section could use some work. First of all, it's near the end of the article...normally, a section with a definition would be most natural appearing at the beginning of the article, as the first section. Of course, the section as it is now is nothing but a list of definitions, which might explain why it's being kept further down where it won't be seen so easily. If it were rewritten as one paragraph sort of summing up the aspects of various definitions, then it would fit perfectly at the beginning of the article. Right now, most of the definitions in the list are entirely unsourced and uncited, and besides they apparently were found through a random Google search, which is probably not the best way of putting together definitions. &mdash;Politizer( talk • contribs ) 23:33, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

List section
A list needs to be compiled of microbreweries around the world. It's quite a task, but I feel this article is limited in scope since beer is just as varied, if not more so, as wine or other liquors. I feel there is such variety that these small companies deserve to be acknowledged, in the least, under the article that describes them. I'll leave it up to someone else to do since I do not know the process of adding such a thing. A few mentioned under the craft brew section are actually microbreweries, a.la. Dogfish Head and Victory Brewing Company. To add: Magic Hat Brewing Company, Stone Brewing Company, and Iron Hill Brewery (may fall under Brewpub). I'll leave it up to you guys to fill in more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.248.156.216 (talk) 07:24, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Environmental impacts
I added some other CO2e numbers to give the ones from New Belgium context. Simply throwing numbers out there without any context, especially when combined with the amount of habitat which will be destroyed, is a bit alarmist. Yes, it is important that we understand that the foods have an impact on the environment, but all food has some impact on the environment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emoticon (talk • contribs) 15:18, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

this environmental impact is totally bogus it will differ between beers in the same brewery. Like a dark hoppy dopple beer will be less than a pilsner. And it has nothing to do with cokes impact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.58.53.78 (talk) 17:07, 8 July 2009 (UTC)