Talk:Microsoft Office Picture Manager/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: CelestialWeevil (talk · contribs) 18:14, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

whaddup, my name's Ian too! I'll do this review for ya. CelestialWeevil (talk) 18:14, 31 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Infobox and lead


 * The wikilinking on SharePoint Library seems off. The second link, the library link, no longer directs to the proper subsection. (It's missing the comma between 'lists' and 'libraries'.)


 * Should not all items in the 'Excel, Outlook, PowerPoint, and Word' list be wikilinked? Word is wikilinked in the third and final paragraph of the lead, but not in the second paragraph, where it is first mentioned.


 * The website link on the infobox is dead.


 * Why is there a 'last release' entry but no 'initial release' entry on the infobox? I don't edit in this wikispace, so I'm genuinely asking.


 * History
 * Picture Manager (then Picture Library) was... – This is a little ambiguous. I know you mean it used to be titled Picture Library, but 'then' could also imply future tense, like it was 'later known as Picture Library'. I would replace the parenthetical information with "(known at the time as Picture Library)".


 * ...it is no longer included... – it >was< no longer included


 * The article would look a little better if the third paragraph was made bigger or merged into the second paragraph.


 * Features


 * Users can manually add shortcuts of folders with images to the shortcut pane or automatically populate it with folders that include images through a Locate Pictures command, which eliminates the need for users to create new categories for images or to import them from another location. – This sentence is kind of a doozy. It's tough to read without being very slow and deliberate. Is the 'it' in 'populate it' referring to the shortcut pane? 'shortcuts of folders' sounds strange; why not 'folder shortcuts'? And is 'with images' necessary?


 * All editing capabilities are exposed via an... – 'exposed' is a weird word. Maybe 'listed on' or something like that.


 * Again, I would merge the third paragraph with the second.


 * The image on this section is just about impossible to read. You might want to crop some of the negative space on the bottom or on the right so the low-res upload still has readable text. Or not, if you just want to show the shape of the pane; your choice.


 * Comparison with Photo Editor
 * These paragraphs are reaaaaal short. I think this whole section would be better as one or two larger paragraphs smoothed with some prose.


 * See also
 * As per MOS:SEEALSO, this section seems good.


 * References
 * Like I said above, I'm no expert in these types of Wikipedia articles, but I'm a little caught up with the abundance of primary sources. If I'm counting it right, there are 15 primary sources and 3 secondary sources. As per WP:GNG and WP:PSTS, secondary sources are desired in establishing notability. What do you think about this?
 * On reference 5, 'is' in the title should be capitalized as per MOS:TITLECAPS
 * Reference 6 is in sentence case, where the first 5 references are in title case. As per Help:Citation Style 1, please use either title or sentence case consistently.
 * On reference 8, 'photos' should be capitalized in the title
 * As per MOS:ALLCAPS, please turn 'FREE' into 'Free' on reference 10
 * On reference 11, please capitalize 'shortcuts'
 * References 12, 14, 15, 16, and 17 are also in sentence case


 * Overall

This is a neat article. I like the topic. There are a couple of important concerns above (including at least one point that needs discussion); please let me know when you've addressed everything! CelestialWeevil (talk) 19:39, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Addressing your comments
I apologize to you for being so late to respond. I had not thought that a reviewer would arrive so quickly. I am fortunate to be working with you—one who shares my name! I really liked your unique response. (Ian Wolfman (talk) 01:56, 5 January 2019 (UTC))
 * No problem! I'm sick right now, so my responses may be a little delayed as well. CelestialWeevil (talk) 16:51, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I hope that you recover soon. (Ian Wolfman (talk) 18:51, 6 January 2019 (UTC))


 * Infobox and lead


 * I repaired the second link so that it includes the comma between the two items.
 * I have wikilinked the items that you mentioned. That they were not wikilinked is an oversight and I apologize.
 * It is not my intention for there to even be a link in that infobox, with the possible exception of an archived website (which, if memory serves, is not allowable). I do not know how to remove it.
 * This is an excellent question, though one for which I am afraid I do not have an answer. I am not seeing any parameters for release version in the template, but based on your question the initial year of release was added to this article.


 * History


 * All of the issues were addressed.


 * Features


 * It did refer to the shortcut pane, but I made this explicit in the recent edit. I changed to folder shortcuts and removed the detail about images.
 * The wording for the features on the task pane was changed.
 * I merged the third paragraph with the second one as per your suggestion.
 * I am not sure how I would resize the image (I could crop the negative space as per your suggestion). What do you think would be ideal for an article of this type?
 * Completely up to you. You have more experience, so I leave it in your hands. I just thought I'd point it out. CelestialWeevil (talk) 16:51, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I just took another screenshot without resizing it. It shows the entire task pane and it seems sufficiently small while maintaining readability. (Ian Wolfman (talk) 18:51, 6 January 2019 (UTC))


 * Comparison with Photo Editor


 * Would you—I understand this is not your place—have any suggestions for prose? I am not sure what to add to this section other than the absence of support for the PCX format ("Like Photo Editor, Picture manager also does not...").
 * No problem! I think the second paragraph could easily just be added to the end of the first paragraph; they flow pretty well together, since the second is another feature not included. <b style="color: #0061ff;">CelestialWeevil</b> (<b style="color: #6f6177;">talk</b>) 16:51, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I joined the paragraphs as per your suggestion and I also added the detail regarding images in the PCX format. (Ian Wolfman (talk) 18:51, 6 January 2019 (UTC))


 * References


 * The reliance on primary sources is not ideal, but there are seemingly few secondary sources. There is a book by Ed Bott that discusses the ability to share with other Office applications, but it does not mention the applications (specifically Outlook) by name. The previously mentioned PCX detail is from a secondary source. I could add this if you desire.
 * Any secondary sources you can find, I think it would be a good idea to add. Since I'm not an editor in the software wikipspace, I'm not familiar with what sources are acceptable or not, but I found several that could be dumped in one small section on reinstallation. What do you think about these?: 1, 2, 3. 4, 5, and 6. I know they aren't great or groundbreaking, but they at least prove notability. <b style="color: #0061ff;">CelestialWeevil</b> (<b style="color: #6f6177;">talk</b>) 16:51, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for searching for these. I might be able to use a few of them. When you wrote about "one small section on reinstallation" are you proposing that I should add an additional section about this subject or? (Ian Wolfman (talk) 18:51, 6 January 2019 (UTC))
 * Nah, a whole new section isn't necessary. I leave it up to your discretion, but it could work just as a single sentence with 3 or 4 references on it. <b style="color: #0061ff;">CelestialWeevil</b> (<b style="color: #6f6177;">talk</b>) 20:10, 6 January 2019 (UTC)


 * It is now capitalized.
 * I have made no edits for title case or sentence case; I am leaning toward sentence case.
 * Sentence case is just fine! Either's good, as long as it's consistent. <b style="color: #0061ff;">CelestialWeevil</b> (<b style="color: #6f6177;">talk</b>) 16:51, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I am embarrassed to admit that I have no idea what I am doing in this regard. I think I will work with title case. (Ian Wolfman (talk) 18:51, 6 January 2019 (UTC))
 * It has been capitalized.
 * It has been changed.
 * It has been capitalized.


 * End notes
 * Thanks for all the corrections! I added a few responses scattered throughout above, but they're mostly minor. As soon as we come to a decision on the secondary sources thing, this will pass. Good job! <b style="color: #0061ff;">CelestialWeevil</b> (<b style="color: #6f6177;">talk</b>) 16:51, 5 January 2019 (UTC)


 * You've done a great job on this article and turned what could be boring and mundane into something interesting. It's a pass! I'll go ahead and put in a little title case refinements myself. Happy editing! <b style="color: #0061ff;">CelestialWeevil</b> (<b style="color: #6f6177;">talk</b>) 20:10, 6 January 2019 (UTC)