Talk:Microsoft Paint/Archive 1

Resizing Jack
I have the damned thing set to "200px" but it's still so huge! WTF?! --NLUT

I think Microsoft should bundle GIMP with Windows.
 * Paint.NET is much better and will come on Longhorn. Mateusc 19:05, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Shouldn't we mention the Z-Soft heritage somewhere. I'm quite sure the original Paintbrush for Windows was developed by them. They were previously producing PC Paintbrush, a drawing program for DOS. R4p70r 02:48, 12 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Maybe yes, and I guess it has something to do with the .PCX format not longer being supported by Paint since the days it was still called Paintbrush, as PCX is a Z-Soft proprietary format, essentially an RLE-encoded bitmap format EpiVictor 07:07, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

I discovered something
In the magnafying option, click on 8x. Then if you click below it like one pixel more, you can magnify 10x. Can we put that in this article?--198.147.225.76 00:20, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Whoa yes! I didn't knew that! Put it there, man! ☢ Ҡieff | Talk 01:48, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Alright but under what? It's obviously not a feature.--TKGB 00:53, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Cool! Put it there! --seifip 18:12, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Now if only you could figure out how to get 4x in the dropdown instead of having to up and pick "large size"...

Where is this 8x option? I only have view > zoom > custom > 100%, 200%, 400%, 600%, 800% and they're radio buttons. What version are you talking about?
 * First sign your comments(with ' ~ '). Second, click on the magnifying glass in the sidebar. BioTube 02:37, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * You have to click the magnifying glass. 71.131.176.42 01:41, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

The SHIFT key
This article mentions the SHIFT key to be used for the "Trail Mode" in the selection of the image but the SHIFT key has other functions: I'll add them to the article later but I'd have to clean it up first. --TKGB 00:59, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Select a shape tool (circle, rectangle, and Ellipse) and hold down shift to make a perfect shape.
 * Select the line or curve and hold down shift to make a perfect line (though the curve will still be free to move around)
 * Select pencil and hold down shift the draw a perfect line, though unlike the line, only one axis is available and you cannot shrink it once you draw it.

New version?
Does the new Windows Vista will have a new version of Paint? MarioV 21:17, 20 January 2006 (UTC) –Yes, it is slightly upgraded visually.

Is it possible to get hold of Paintbrush on WinXP, and use alongside MS Paint?
I miss the color replace tool, that was removed from the new version.
 * Huh? Not it wasn't. The color replace tool is just the eraser used with the right mouse button. ☢ Ҡieff⌇↯
 * It is possible, I tried to copy the win 3.1 files from the old computer to a directory on the new one, and it just worked :-) However, it is not without side effects: e.g. now the "normal" MS-Paint is unable to open files from the "open with..." menu. The only way this can be useful, is if you want to open .MSP or .PCX files (I remember on a real win 3.1 system, it could also open RLE and WMF) EpiVictor 15:13, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Bigger pencil tip?
A friend of mine dropped his keyboard and said that now his pencil tool was making two-pixel wide marks instead of the regular one. Has this happened to anyone? To cure it, I just recommended he save, close, and reopen, and that fixed it, but I am still curious.
 * CTRL + "+" and CTRL + "-", from the number pad at the right of the keyboard, can be used to change width of the line, but this bugs the undo feature so I don't recommend it ☢  Ҡ i∊ ff   ⌇  ↯  16:33, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, it isn't bugged up. The undo function for the pencil tool was built so that when you undo, a rectangular marquee is automatically put around the original 1-px line and that area is deleted, hence if you do the Control + "+" there may be areas outside the 1-px line, and those won't get deleted, it's not really a bug. -cyber
 * How's that not a bug? ☢  Ҡ i∊ ff   ⌇  ↯  19:23, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

paint for drawings
does anybody else use this as their primary source of image creation?

i put a bunch my drawings on photobucket[], and i would like to see any one elses drawings...to take tips from.
 * Nope, I use IRL tools like pencils, colors, paint and brushes... Shandristhe azylean 18:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Trail mode w/ shift key
The way "trail mode" is described in this article is incorrect:

''For the stamp mode, the user can select part of the image, hold the control key, and move it to another part of the canvas. This, instead of cutting the piece out, creates a copy of it. The process can be repeated as many times as desired, as long as the control key is held down. The trail mode works exactly the same, but it uses the shift key instead of the control key.''

Trail mode doesn't work in the same way as stamp mode- it creates a trail of copies, not just one. I think this should be reworded.

Stamp mode a "hidden function"? Why?

 * Why does the article say that stamp mode is a hidden function not mentioned in the help file? I quote from the Windows XP Paint help file, under the heading "Work with Pictures", subheading "Copy or paste part of a picture": "You can paste multiple copies of an object by holding down CTRL while you drag the object to a new location. Repeat as needed." Sure, it doesn't call it "stamp mode", but it certainly does document the feature. Right? --WillNL 22:54, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Corrected. --seifip 10:55, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

SVG images
Is Paint really capable of opening SVG images if SVG Reader is installed? Is this maybe a Vista thing? I can't get this to work on XP. J Ditalk 12:35, 2 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Much of the introduction actually, implies that just by installing certain plugins/filters, MS-Paint can somehow automatically support more image formats. However, I have no idea to what extent this is true, and under which versions. From my experience: older (Win 3.1 and previous) versions "natively" support only BMP, PCX and MSP formats. Later versions have built in support for GIF and maybe JPEG (Windows 95 and beyond?), Windows XP and NT versions surely support the PNG format too (without objects and layers, just as a flat bitmap), and some other weird format may or may not appear depending on system settings, e.g. WMF, RLE etc. The PCX and MSP formats appear definitively dropped, however. EpiVictor 11:17, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Paint.NET
I removed the link to Paint.NET, as it has no association with Microsoft Paint apart from happening to have a similar name. Jibjibjib 01:33, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Third colour
You can have 3 colours to paint with. Simply Ctrl + click a colour on the pallet to choose your third colour. Hold down ctrl while painting to paint with your "third colour" 124.178.71.202 13:55, 4 November 2006 (UTC) dude, thats cool!

Paint's UI in Windows Vista
Is Paint changes the interface for Windows Vista from Windows XP? &mdash; Jigs41793  Talk 13:25, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Image
How does my image cause many potential violations? Soxrock 18:45, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Your image Image:1-1-2007.jpg had several different team logos. You can't really use logos like that here on Wikipedia, since most of them are considered fair use and their usage is very restricted (usually, they're only allowed on their respective articles.)
 * Besides, your image was just a simple montage. It had nothing to add to this article. &mdash; Kieff 19:19, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I had the image on the article because it was supposed to show completed work on Paint. But I do see about the logos, and how they may be inappropriate and not fair use. My bad Soxrock 20:08, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Infobox Image
Image:Vista Paint.png Image:Paint Vista.png

Which of the two images to the right do you prefer? I recently uploaded the first picture to go on Features new to Windows Vista; it was removed/orphaned recently. I then put it on Paint (software) because I honestly feel it is a better image, and it was reverted by the same user. Which of these do you, the other editors of this article, think does a better job of illustrating the program and its interface? In my opinion, the one I uploaded makes a better thumbnail because it focuses on the UI and has less "dead space." Opinions? —Disavian (talk/contribs) 03:32, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The new image is inconsistent with other screenshots of Windows Vista due to the wallpaper in the background; therefore, the old image is preferred. Themodernizer 23:28, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Can you cite a policy to this effect? —Disavian (talk/contribs) 01:59, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It is also notable that the new screenshot is from a pre-release version of Vista, whereas the old screenshot is from the released version. Themodernizer 22:00, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I certainly can't tell a difference. It looks the same to me. LaMenta3 22:31, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The menu and title bar styles are slightly different. Themodernizer 00:55, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Picture
No need to use Windows Vista Paint as the first image. It's already on the page under "Versions". Replay7 18:42, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Stop promoting your image. You already violated the Three Revert Rule you are already aware of, a report has been filed. This edit contradicts your claims. &mdash; Kieff | Talk 21:28, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Well fine, if you hate me that much. Replay7 21:38, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I've deleted the "drawing" - a bunch of random scrawls - as patent nonsense. Sandstein 21:40, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. &mdash; Kieff | Talk 21:43, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Please, bring it back. Just long enough for me to save it back to my computer. Replay7 21:42, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Draw Smooth Shapes
This option did exist for me but now it doesn't. I'm running full Aero display with full 32-bit depth colour so I can't understand why the option has suddenly disappeared. Any ideas? 86.148.108.242 (talk) 15:50, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

If paint.exe was deleted...
Is it possible to download it off the net? I know it's possible for windows 95, but I haven't been able to find anything for XP... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kooolcow (talk • contribs) 01:52, 6 May 2007 (UTC).
 * You haven't been looking in the right places - I don't think they're discussed here.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 04:45, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

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Former names for Paint
At one time you could buy Microsoft Paintbrush for DOS by itself; it was even bundled along with the Microsoft Mouse at one time. --Edwin Herdman 19:16, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Paint was a new application with Windows 95. Previous versions of Windows included Paintbrush; a different application with a different codebase (licensed from ZSoft in part). Much of the history section in this article is just plain wrong. --82.7.199.50 14:51, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

It would be good if the article could clarify the relationship between Paint and PC Paintbrush. It would seem that calling the 3.1 version Paintbrush would be impossible were it not for involvement between MS and ZSoft, but memory is murky and references are few--Lionelbrits 03:43, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Another MS Paint Secret.
See when you use the Line tool while you hold down the Shift key, you can draw "straight" lines. horizontal, vertical, and diagonal. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PNiddy (talk • contribs).


 * That's not really a secret- it's quite well-known. Sorry :-) Fourohfour 19:02, 5 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Not to me! 99.230.152.143 01:05, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

"Strange Brush" - Now a bug in Vista
When I click "just to the right" of the small brush in Vista's paint, I get an "insufficient memory" error message. So maybe it was a memory bug in the XP version which couldn't repro in Vista because of the improved memory error handling? 80.176.249.204 18:05, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I managed to reproduce the effect on XP by selecting right next to the smallest square brush size, rather than the round one, in other words on the second line... I think it just has to lose focus. If I select to the right of the round one, I get the same error. Doing the same for the diagonal brushes does the same, but the line is thinner. All in all the easter egg is quite dumb and quite possibly buggy.--Lionelbrits 03:38, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

This bug is a result of no paintbrush highlighted. I use the Windows Vista Version and whenever I click JUST TO THE RIGHT of any "brush", the one previously highlighted is no longer highlighted. Thus the computer can't complete the task of painting if there is nothing to paint with. Zippo Prower of DrunkDuck.com 10:31 PM September 22 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.168.119.66 (talk) 02:32, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Color Eraser glitch
Here's a glitch I found back in around 2003 with the XP version of Paint (might happen with other versions as well). Make an image zoomed enough for the scroll bars to show, then use the Color Eraser tool (hold the right button instead of the left) to turn a matching foreground color chosen in your palette, to the background color also chosen in your palette (e.g. a black foreground color with a white 'eraser' will turn all black parts of the image white while holding the right button). If you happen to go across a scroll bar and let go of the mouse button, a menu pops up asking you if you want to scroll here. Upon closing the menu, the eraser continues to erase the color underneath the cursor without holding the button, and this 'automatic' color erasing cannot be undone since it hasn't tracked a mouse click since the scroll bar menu popped up; however, the Undo command will still undo your previous work up to when you clicked on the scroll bar, leaving the mess which the auto-erase left. The only way to stop the eraser from inadvertently removing more color data is to either click the mouse again or press the Escape key after closing the menu. 123.243.99.227 (talk) 03:28, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Another bug is scrolling while erasing in XP - it produces a near-random erase path across the image; sometimes several paths. I use a MS tilt-wheel mouse, which makes this bug very easy to invoke. I haven't noticed it in Vista, and it appears to be gone in 7. Steve8394 (talk) 06:27, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Photo edit
Can I place a photo edit here? Mallerd 19:45, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Well I have been very naughty, and done just that! Perhaps Wikipedia would like to display an exhibition of MS Paint Artwork. I would love to put up an educational Video Instruction Screen Capture (say 5 to 10 minutes) with something like TechSmith 'Camtasia Studio 5' Perhaps do the entire "Fairest Daughter of heaven and waves" or "Birth of Venus", by Sandro Botticelli (Alessandro di Mariano Fillipeppi) c. 1486 from The Florence Galeria delgi Uffizi. Speed draw it in ten minutes? (about five hours in real time) It would be a pleasure to undertake it.(Alastair Carnegie (talk) 00:23, 11 February 2008 (UTC))

Color box moving
I moved the color box somehow. How do I get it back over there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.218.15.231 (talk) 00:42, 8 September 2007 (UTC) Click on it and move it. It's easy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.152.143 (talk) 16:34, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

WikiPaint!
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t172/racooon/th_Wikipediafinish.png I made this picture of the Wikipedia Globe using Paint. I don't know how to upload images though, so feel free to save a copy and upload it. Racooon 08:54, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * This should probably belong to WikiMedia Commons and should be appropriately licensed parallel to the main WikiPedia logo. -Mardus 16:25, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll add that image there ASAP.--Megamanfan3 (talk) 13:41, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. It is found here —Preceding unsigned comment added by Megamanfan3 (talk • contribs) 13:51, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Nickname
Paint being the ephemeral default drawing program for oft-vilified Windows operating systems has gotten a telling nickname &mdash; that of MsPain :-) &mdash; http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=349765&cid=21254307 -Mardus 16:27, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Vista Updates
I'm a longtime user of MS paint and I wondered if anyone thought It'd be a good idea to make 2 tables of the default pallet colours in MS Paint before Vista and in Vista. I'll go through and grab the Hex codes if someone wants. I'm not sure how to do the table though. --The Lone Bard (talk) 04:18, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Edit: threw this together quickly. Someone else can probably do a better job or clean it up.

Windows 95 through XP Paint

Windows Vista Paint

--The Lone Bard (talk) 05:31, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

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Future development
Has development of this program ceased due to Paint.NET? Will/Has Paint.NET replaced Paint? --Stefán Örvarr Sigmundsson (talk) 00:14, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * You realize that Paint.Net isnt made by Microsoft right? it has nothing to do with Microsoft Paint. --The Lone Bard (talk) 02:58, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I know, it was made by some students. But the intro into the Paint.NET article "Paint.NET has evolved from a simple replacement for the Microsoft Paint program included with Windows" makes me believe that the program comes with every copy of Windows, perhaps with Vista. --Stefán Örvarr Sigmundsson (talk) 04:20, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Nope. I believe what that means is that it's a replacement for the Microsoft Paint Program (which is included with windows). Maybe someone should edit that sentence because it does seem a bit confusing. --The Lone Bard 16:57, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Alright. But it would be a good idea to completely replace the old Paint with Paint.NET. --Stefán Örvarr Sigmundsson (talk) 16:47, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * That would be a stupid idea. Paint.NET Sucks.

Dos Version?
I seem to remember using a Dos version of MS Paint on an Amstrad XT.. is this older or newer than the windows 1.0 version? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.88.45.5 (talk) 23:54, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting, but do you have proof? We cannot add that information until there is valid proof that there might be a DOS version of MS Paint.--Megamanfan3 (talk) 13:38, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I am holding in my hand "Microsoft Mouse & Microsoft Paintbrush : Paintbrush; Setup & Utilities; For DOS Systems" Copyright 1986-1991 ZSoft and Microsoft. I don't know that this counts but the article said it was renamed from said name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.183.158.176 (talk) 20:44, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Which version of MS Windows didn't have the paint software?
It is said in the introduction of this article that almost all versions of Windows have had the Paint software built in to the operating system. I think all of them had Paint, so we should remove the word "almost". If I'm wrong, just ignore what I said here, but I strongly believe there was no version of Microsoft Windows without it.
 * Of all of the Windows OSes I've seen or used, all of them had Paint included as a standard.--Megamanfan3 (talk) 13:39, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Windows Mobile? It may seem like nitpicking, but it was named "Windows", and I don't remember any Paint on my mobile phone... --BjKa (talk) 12:14, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not aware of any version of Windows that has Paint built into the OS. But probably every desktop version has had it as an application included in the OS package. — Smjg (talk) 22:54, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Removed image from article
I removed Image:Paint.gif from the article, since it's unnecessary and distracting. It's also poorly named.

I also feel that this page is starting to be used as a place for people to showcase their own creations, and removing this image should hopefully provide a precedent to discourage future additions. CountingPine (talk) 23:26, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

applications of paint programme
can u please tell me in points that what are the applications of ms-paint.i have to make a powerpoint presentation on the topic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.157.92.20 (talk) 14:38, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

I've heard that it is a popular image editor for spriters and sprite artist —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.190.141.117 (talk) 19:59, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Colour Replacement In Vista
I recently got a new laptop, which came with Vista. I've been using Paint for editing sprites, and the colour replacement feature (right-clicking with the eraser) has gotten quite handy.... But it doesn't seem to be working on Vista. Any help? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.50.117 (talk) 16:26, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

The colour replacement feature works fine for me in Vista. Gerry246 (talk) 07:33, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Zoom slider in Vista
The article refers to a zoom slider in the Vista version. Is this correct? Where's the slider? Actually, I think the article has Vista confused with Windows 7, which does have slider, according to http://www.online-tech-tips.com/windows-7/windows-7-first-look-ms-paint/Gerry246 (talk) 07:33, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Apple equivalent?
Is there an equivalent program of MS Paint on Apple computers? 72.209.42.92 (talk) 21:38, 7 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Perhaps some time in the '80s. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.74.232.162 (talk) 10:16, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Infobox: Name of executable missing
Could someone add the name of the executable to the Infobox please? (I don't know the name, don't have Windows...) &#65293; Cy21(talk)  13:24, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

color erase
Paint brush was for many people the first introduction to drawing and painting directly into a computer image file and quite a few artist found the color erase function useful for creating layout lines in a selected color that could then be erased or blended into the finished drawing. An additional application of the function was to remove red eye from photographs by simply setting the erased color to red and the back ground color to black.

Though the modification to the color erase function from paint brush to paint was minor the change was not noted coherently in the help files, the apparent loss of function in this particularly useful tool produced a great many hard feelings and drove a substantial number of artists to purchase more "Serious" software, often with only approximately similar capabilities.

71.56.255.218 (talk) 03:55, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

I've noticed that the replace feature of the color eraser is not noted in the (pitiful) Help in any version of Paint. Is there a way to include it in the article? By selecting a foreground color (color #1) that exists in the image, and a different background (color #2), and then erasing using the RIGHT mouse button, any pixel OF COLOR #1 that the eraser passes over is changed to color #2. This is distinct from the normal left erase in which ALL colors are replaced by color #2; not strictly color #1 as with right erase. Steve8394 (talk) 06:32, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

PNG transparency in win7 paint
MS Paint in win7 will +not+ let you save transparency info in PNG files. Apparently it still can only save to 24-bit PNG files which lack alpha channel info. There are no tools within paint7 to set transparency anyhow.

I have edited the main article to correct misleading paragraph that said "can view and save transparent PNG" with "can view but not save". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.28.216.82 (talk) 02:25, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Paint and Paintbrush
As far as I know, Paint and Paintbrush are two completely different programs. Paint was not licensed from ZSoft, Paintbrush was. It would not make much sense to license the program and then not use the file format.—Graf Bobby (talk) 17:13, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Microsoft Paint (PAINT.EXE, PBRUSH.EXE, mspaint.exe) is a program included in Windows 1, 2, 4 (95/98/ME), 5 (2000/XP) and 6 (Vista/7).
 * Microsoft Paintbrush (PBRUSH.EXE) is a program included in Windows 3.
 * The ZSoft program appears to be called PC Paintbrush. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.247.11.156 (talk) 22:32, 10 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, PaintBrush and Paint is the same program. PC Paintbrush is another. --AlvaroBecerra (talk) 22:01, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Trick Question
Trick Question can paint make animations using the gif format?~74.163.16.27~-Tailsman67 of Sonic News Network and others — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.163.16.27 (talk) 00:42, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Timeline of file format support
The information on pre-Win95 Paint/Paintbrush was hopelessly mixed up; I've just corrected it. At least, I assume Paint under Windows 1 used MSP format – my first experience of Windows was version 2.03. PCX and BMP were both added in 3.0. But I forget when exactly MSP and PCX were dropped – can anyone enlighten? (Indeed, did the Win95 version natively support any format other than BMP/DIB?)

It would be nice to see more detailed information on file format support as it progressed through the history of Paint/Paintbrush. Something like this: Of course, this is only an example of both the data itself and the format of presentation, but it shows the level of information it would be nice to have in the article. (Of course, it should also be noted if a given version can open but not save a given format.) — Smjg (talk) 23:13, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Zoom out
I use MSPaint XP a lot. Sometimes I'm annoyed by its inability to zoom out, to get an overwiew of a picture which is bigger than the window. Has this been fixed in the Vista or Win7 versions? Maybe worth mentioning in the article? --BjKa (talk) 12:05, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Windows 8?
Is there still Paint in Windows 8, and if there is, why isn't there any information about it? Llightex (talk) 00:07, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

My ribbon is messed up
"File," "Edit," "Tool," "Help," etc. are all missing. I clicked something and now my ribbon is all screwed up. How do I fix it? And yes, before anyone asks, I DID try Google. None of my search results turned up anything even remotely related (typical). Josh (talk) 06:42, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * A screenshot of the issue would be nice, either that, or a better description of what you are experiencing. (67.58.241.6 (talk) 02:02, 19 December 2012 (UTC))

Are all the menus really necessary?
In the Features section, particularly in the Windows 7 subsection, it merely expands every menu with a cryptic description. Can't we condense the important features into a paragraph? Currently it takes up a lot of space and only two of the three columns allotted for it. 94.222.101.42 (talk) 11:35, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 25 March 2016

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: moved. Number   5  7  20:35, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Paint (software) → Microsoft Paint – This is the official name as used by Microsoft (see ). It is also the WP:COMMONNAME in other sources (see ). - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 08:52, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Strong rename there are many software topics that concern paint or are called Paint, so this should not be using "(software)" -- 70.51.46.39 (talk) 06:15, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Support current title is ambiguous. SST  flyer  01:45, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Support a sensible suggestion as the current title is ambiguous and also per Commonname. Bazonka (talk) 08:20, 2 April 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

the logo image for MS Paint
What kind of paint brush is depicted on the logo for MS Paint? -- Bevo (talk) 16:15, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I think now that it is called a "mop brush" - http://www.utrechtart.com/Wash---Mop-Brushes-Watercolor-Brushes1.utrecht -- Bevo (talk) 01:57, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

MS Paint 3D -regarding edit by user:Codename Lisa
you reverted my last edit here. I'd like to clarify that I was just doing RC patrol when I saw that an IP has removed substantial amount of information without any summary. I reverted his/her edit and warned him/her. I'd no intention to cause any edit war.

Except that, now that I saw your edit summary, I'd like to add that paint 3D isn't just speculation, It's been officially announced and shown by Microsoft. It's also, to the best of my knowledge, available as a beta on preview builds so WP:CRYSTAL isn't applicable. Thank you :) Yashovardhan (talk) 11:05, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * No, I did not revert your edit. Look again.


 * I reverted 's edit which consisted of copyright violation in addition to WP:CRYSTAL violation. The images that he has uploaded are forbidden both here and on Commons. Commons does not accept fair-use image. We do not accept fair-use images that fail to comply with WP:NFCC. The WP:CRYSTAL bar will be removed in 11 days, so I advise everyone to wait instead of writing their own speculations.


 * Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 12:55, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh ok! No problem. Wikipedia notified me like "your edits to ... Were reverted" so... Nevermind!
 * And why 11 days? I'm not following Microsoft news as of late but are they finally releasing it officially now? Thanks Yashovardhan (talk) 13:00, 31 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes. They are. Update 1703 goes live on 11 April 2017. Also Commons has already deleted D3SG4MER24's uploads. —Codename Lisa (talk) 13:12, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Most common name
Hello, guys.

Can we have a full scale discussion and put the issue of the most common name to rest? A recent edit from PapiDimmi tried to establish "MS Paint" is the most common name by giving only three usage examples! Please correct me if I am wrong, but doing so only proves that three sources have used "MS Paint". Actually, one of the sources (Gizmodo) uses "Microsoft Paint" as well.

Speaking only for myself, the most common name I've heard was "Paint". But how do we know for sure that it, or any other name, is the most common name?

Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 04:03, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, we can start with Google search results:
 * "ms paint": About 775,000 results
 * "Microsoft Paint": About 3,410,000 results
 * However, I seem to remember a policy that says doing this is invalid. But I don't remember why or which policy.


 *  Fleet  Command ( Speak your mind! ) 05:30, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, clearly “MS Paint” is an extremely common name. Why should it not be included in the article as an alternate name for the software?
 * By the way, I don’t see how I was edit warring by undoing merely one revision. I did not violate the three-revert rule.Papí • talk 16:14, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, so far, your proof for "extremely common" has been equal to just three articles.
 * Also, it has to be the most common name. Extremely common isn't enough.
 * Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 04:18, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Just google it. Papí • talk 10:57, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * FleetCommand already did. "Microsoft Paint" was much more popular. —Codename Lisa (talk) 11:21, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Why does that mean that “MS Paint” shouldn’t be mentioned as an alternate name in the article?
 * By the way, why are you inserting line break tags above each one of your messages? It makes the page quite difficult to read. Papí • talk 11:23, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Because our policy only sanctions the use of the official name (inserted once) and the most common name (used throughout the article).


 * As for the, remember how you don't like people touching your messages? Well, I am not touching your messages. But I still need to a measure to counter the effect of . So I use its closing counterpart. All these are just so that I don't get a headache and don't have to remove the Wikipedia's Official Syntax Highlighter either.
 * Of course, if change your signature, all these shenanigans will be over.
 * Codename Lisa (talk) 11:31, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

I see you’re trying to manipulate me into changing my signature or letting you change my signature.

I don’t understand how inserting unnecessary line break tags achieves anything other than making the page difficult to read. How does inserting all these line break tags “solve” my signature? Papí • talk 11:36, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Why don't you activate Syntax Highlighter in your own Wikipedia user account and, in addition to taking advantage of all its great benefits, see the problem for yourself?
 * Instead of all these bad faith conspiracy theories like "me trying to manipulate you", realize that there is a simple problem that I am simply trying to solve. FleetCommand edit-warred with you. I am not. I am simply changing my own message. —Codename Lisa (talk) 11:46, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I do not care if an unclosed line break tag isn’t properly highlighted when using some sort of highlight tool. Changing my signature without correcting some sort of formatting error which renders my comment difficult to read goes against WP:TPO, and I don’t want you to do it.
 * FleetCommand edit-warred with you. I am not. I am simply changing my own message. And my messages. Papí • talk 11:49, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Say all you want. I am not edit-warring with you, even if beg me. Not over some pesky s. —Codename Lisa (talk) 11:51, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * That is literally exactly what you’ve been doing earlier. Papí • talk 15:05, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Back on topic here, WP:COMMONNAME is about article titles, not lead sentences. The applicable guideline here is WP:LEADSENTENCE, which says "When the page title is used as the subject of the first sentence, it may appear in a slightly different form, and it may include variations, including synonyms". It later calls out bolding any synonyms which are WP:OTHERNAMES, but that link says nothing about significant alternative names having to be "the most common name". MS Paint is a common enough synonym (and it derives from the name of the executable being called mspaint.exe since Windows 95 was introduced 22 years ago), so I don't see anything wrong with its inclusion as an alternative name in this article. --Ahecht (TALK PAGE ) 23:19, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, now, you are discussing the lead only. The original editor intended this action to be a preamble to move the page to "MS Paint". As long as you agree that we are not moving the article, and the title at the top of the infobox remains untouched, we can discuss this with a more open mind.


 * Both due weight and common sense are still required. Including this certain name is like going to all articles about individuals and including "Mr. [Individual's name]" or "Ms. [Individual's name]" as the alternative. "MS Paint" isn't distinctive enough and is inferior writing form. Apart from that "Microsoft" is not part of the official title of this app. It is simply called "Paint". MS Paint would be a derivative of a derivative.


 * Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 04:23, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
 * What I am about to write, until further notice, is to be considered opinion only. I am not going to revert anyone or anything in this certain regard. In my opinion, Wikipedia is not a dumping ground for everyone's favorite made-up name for something, even if part of the official name is in that made-up name. We must only include one such name, the most common name. Official names, however, are negotiable because they have a purpose: You use them as a mean of identification. There are software written with those names and when you see them, they mean something to you.
 * Also, I don't think we should include all variations that on sight, can be plausibly identified as one of the names in the article. For example, we don't need to include "FireFox", "Starcraft" or "Github" in Firefox, StarCraft or GitHub articles because anyone who sees the former three knows that they mean the latter three.  Fleet  Command ( Speak your mind! ) 07:51, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
 * There might be a precedent for that. We don't write "MS Word", "MS Excel", "MS PowerPoint" or "MS Outlook", "MS Windows", or "MS Office" in the lead section of their corresponding articles either. "MS" is considered colloquial form. —Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 10:11, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Including specific version numbers
Under the History section, the different releases of MS Paint should include the program version numbers to help distinguish them from each other.

I've confirmed that Windows 7 uses Paint v6.1. I would appreciate it if other users could help check Paint's version number for other versions of Windows. (The specific version number can be found on the "About Paint" window.)



--Stevoisiak (talk) 17:40, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Paint does not have a version number of its own; it always displays the Windows version number. Windows 7's version number is NT 6.1.  Fleet  Command ( Speak your mind! ) 04:23, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Windows 10 deprecation
There seems to be a slow-witted edit war brewing over the quietly announced deprecation of MS Paint in the fall Creator's update, so I figured I'd add my two cents.

In my view, this is not a situation where WP:CRYSTAL applies. We shouldn't add *unverified* speculation, but this is not unverified. Planned deprecation of Paint has been reported on in multiple, verifiable, quality sources. Adding a single sentence noting this planned deprecation is not unverified. Please don't use WP:CRYSTAL as a kludgeon against anything occurring in the future; that is not its purpose. elektrik SHOOS  (talk) 18:24, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello.
 * You might be happy to know that Microsoft has overturned its decision: https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2017/07/24/ms-paint-stay/ Paint isn't going anywhere.
 * So, it appears I was right to doubt Microsoft's so-called "planned deprecation" this time too.
 * That's said, there are other parts of WP:NOT that editors must respect, because it is one our fundamental pillars. WP:NOTNEWS is one of them. This item does not have lasting value. As Peter Bright of Ars Technica said:"Deprecation states formally that the feature is no longer actively developed, and it serves as a warning that Microsoft may remove the feature in a future release. Removal isn't guaranteed, however; there are parts of the Win32 API that have been deprecated for 20 years but still haven't been removed. It's possible that Paint will continue to ship with Windows in a kind of zombie state: not subject to any active maintenance but kept around indefinitely since it's self-contained and not a security risk. Indeed, the end of the development of Paint is not going to surprise anyone who actually uses the thing; the last time it received any non-negligible improvements was in Windows 7, when its user interface was updated to use a ribbon control. Before that, it had an interface that had been largely untouched since Windows 3.1. As such, Microsoft's official deprecation is merely confirming something that was already obvious; it's not an indicator that anything has actually changed."
 * In addition, the is no edit war going on, as none of the reverting or reinstating editors up to this point have even been the same person. Edit war requires mens rea. There is none here.
 * Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 10:04, 25 July 2017 (UTC)