Talk:Middle Tennessee State University/Archive 1

Concrete Industry Management
Can you write about the Concrete Industry Management program at MTSU?? http://www.mtsu.edu/~concrete/index.html...plus the program has 100% job placement upon graduation.

I think it's high time we got some pictures on this page, whaddya think? Zpb52 22:17, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Then go for it. Add a pic of the KOM and BAS and Floyd Stadium etc. I'm not good with the image copyright policy on Wiki or I would-Raider ATO 17:02, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorority Houses
I am fairly sure there was never any law in Tennessee, or any other state, to prohibit sorority houses on the grounds that they legally constitute a brothel. Snopes weighs in on this (http://www.snopes.com/college/halls/brothel.asp )...bottom line is that the original edit that the houses were prohibited, or the later edit that stated the law was repealed, is dubious. Sorority houses are actually fairly rare on American college campuses, and the reason for them not being built is something somewhat mundane (along the lines of "there was no demand for them"). Thunderbunny 04:28, 11 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Click here to see the 2003 law that allowed Sorority Houses in Tennessee. Zpb52 05:49, July 11, 2005 (UTC)


 * ...okay, but that doesn't say anything about brothels. Thunderbunny 04:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Parking
I think it would be nice if a more detailed area on parking were added so new people to the school could navigate the confusion therein.


 * That's a little outside of the scope of Wikipedia. Perhaps you should check the MTSU web site? Thunderbunny 02:10, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Middle
I know its small beans but just so there isn't a revert war, Middle is used as a nickname. The 1510 guys say that all the time. Rmt2m 19:50, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes they do, but the University never refers to itself as simply "Middle", and if you read carefully, you'll see that the sentence is talking about the University Athletic Department's abbreviations. Reverting again. --Zpb52 20:49, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't see anything in the sentence about the department officially, just what the teams refer to themselves as. But whatever, I really didn't think it was that big of a deal.  Rmt2m 23:10, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The university's athletic teams simply refer to the school as "Middle Tennessee" or "MT", abandoning the words "State University". --Zpb52 18:25, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey thanks for bolding and italicizing it. Still don't see anything about the department officially, "just what the teams refer to themselves as".  But like I said before, I really didn't think it was that big of a deal.  As you will see since I haven't reverted it.  Rmt2m 23:34, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Greek Life
A sorority was founded at MTSU very recently that is not mentioned in the article. I've added it to the list.

Fair use rationale for Image:Mtlogo.gif
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General Article Cleanup
Would anyone want to help me clean this thing up? It is full of trivial and irrelevant information, and isn't quite up to par with others entries about colleges/universities. I love knowing all the trivia listed here, but it seems extraneous. Thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.237.162.37 (talk) 06:33, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I've got fingers in so many pies, that I really can't take on a major cleanup task, but I'd be more than happy to support you in such an effort. If some of the trivia can be integrated into prose, that's fine, but otherwise it needs to be entirely killed off. You might actually find it easier to start by writing out an ideal table of contents and start rewriting based on that. Just don't forget to provide citations as often as possible. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 06:39, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Same guy here. I've started a big clean-up project that should take a few days. I'm taking out a lot of extraneous information to make it look similar to other colleges and universities. I'm mainly focusing on clarity and brevity. In a few days, I will be taking some old pictures off (mainly the old disco-esque MTSU logo and the campus map from the 1950s) and putting new ones of the campus on. I'm also looking to start new articles for the athletics section and the alumni section. Feel free to help me out some! - MTSUGoRaidersGo 11:05, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks again for taking on such a monumental task. Getting rid of the trivia section will be a huge improvement, though to be honest, I'd love getting rid of (or significantly reducing) the Greek section as well. It seems way too prominent and list-y in the article. Regarding an athletics article, if you want to merge in Middle Tennessee Blue Raiders football and any similar stuff, that would be welcome as well. If you are creating new images for use on the article, that is fantastic, though I would ask that they be uploaded to Commons rather than here. See commons:Category:Middle Tennessee State University for the applicable category. If you need any help with them, I'm well-versed in dealing with images here.
 * I'm not big on writing, but I'll do any copyediting that is needed. I do plan on reorganizing the categories for MTSU...hopefully make them more streamlined. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 22:45, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * No problem. I just submitted an article for "Middle Tennessee Blue Raiders" and should it get accepted, I'll try to merge the football article into it. I agree on the Greek section. Maybe I'll just list how many fraternities and sororities are on MTSU's campus. Some campuses with larger Greek systems have their own separate page for the Greek life, however I don't think that applies here (and I'm a Greek myself). I'm continuing to chip away at the trivia. I like knowing some of the random stuff, but most of it was not even noteworthy. I'll keep trying to implement all this stuff. MTSUGoRaidersGo 05:50, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I've gone ahead and moved it into the article space, at Middle Tennessee Blue Raiders. Feel free to tear into it however you want. If you can find additional sources (from Sidelines or other newspapers, or any other reliable source), that would also help solidify the article. Note that Articles for Creation is really only meant for anonymous, unregistered users...in the future, you should be able to create articles in the main space on your own. And sure, some Greek stuff is certainly worth keeping, but it feels like the list is just entirely too long as-is. If any of the trivia material can be merged into the rest of the article, then by all means do so in any way you wish...Wikipedia just doesn't like standalone sections. Oi, I wish I were better at writing, I should have dealt with all this stuff long ago, rather than putting it off and making someone else do it! :/ — Huntster (t • @ • c) 11:47, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm about done with this article. I added a picture of Mass Comm to Wikimedia, however it's not showing up quite yet. Should it be right though, I think I've done all that I wanted to do. I'll continue to make edits if I think of anything else though. Cheers! MTSUGoRaidersGo 04:57, 27 February 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MTSUGoRaidersGo (talk • contribs)

I lied about quitting. I'm still working on this thing. Today I made the History section match the Detailed History on MTSU's website, added the Campus Layout section, posted a few pictures I took last fall, and am starting to work on the introductory paragraph. What I'd really like to do (for aesthetics sake) is to make the introductory paragraph long enough so that it combined with the Table of Contents stops the Infobox from bleeding down into the History section. Also, I'd like to get a better introductory paragraph, as it seems kind of weak at the moment. Another thing I'd like to work on is the Academic section. Though MTSU isn't exactly known as being a high-quality university, it'd be nice to have some sort of academic ranking to tote about on there. We could possibly add some admissions stats in a table as well. Essentially I'm looking to make this similar to these universities' wiki pages: Michigan, Clemson, Duke, Michigan State, and Florida. I think they are all very well respected universities with the Wikis to match it. They provide good (if not great) examples to follow. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MTSUGoRaidersGo (talk • contribs) 06:41, 24 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I for one am certainly glad to have you aboard. You've done good work so far. Regarding academic rankings, check out the University of Tennessee article for some possible sources. One of the big things that drives me nuts about MTSU is its significant lack of PR, and thus, lack of third-party sources that talk about it. Only time the media talk about MTSU seems to be when something goes wrong, like the gunman that ran into KUC yesterday. However, if I may caution, don't get so into this article that you burn out. Don't be afraid to find other topics and articles to edit...more fun to mix things up :) Let me know if you need anything. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 11:21, 24 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Agreed about the PR thing. Thanks for the advice! MTSUGoRaidersGo 13:59, 24 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MTSUGoRaidersGo (talk • contribs)

MTSU 727
Is the issue that the RW is too short, or that the tarmac cannot support the weight of a loaded 727. Thats the explination i've been given.T18 (talk) 05:34, 30 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure. I think the surface isn't a major problem...after all, they did land it there, which puts significantly more stress on the runway. The Boeing 727 article indicates that a runway of 5800 ft is required for takeoff at max weight, and the Murfreesboro Airport runway is only 3898 ft. Even at absolute minimum weight, it would be a major challenge getting it off the ground in that distance...it was likely a challenge just to land it. This is just my reasoning based on experience and data at hand, though, so I don't know the exact reasons. Also note that the registration for the aircraft has been cancelled, so MTSU would have to reapply to the FAA and prove airworthiness again. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 07:26, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Dry Campus
Unless someone can show me otherwise, MTSU's campus is dry at all times, regardless of whether it's game day or not. The police just tend to not enforce the policy (because that would be really lame), but it's still a policy nonetheless. I've seen this pop up every now and then, and I don't want to get stuck in a revert war. So if you have the citation for the campus not being dry on game day, then please by all means, put it next to your edit. I hope that didn't sound too snarky! MTSUGoRaidersGo 03:54, 20 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, there aren't technically exceptions to football games...it just isn't enforced, just as it isn't inside Greek Row houses. There is no policy regarding this, just a matter of tradition. We are more concerned with keeping the crowd under control during games, rather than policing what everyone is drinking. Just not enough manpower. Drinking outside the stadium and immediate area, however, is not really tolerated. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 07:23, 20 March 2009 (UTC)


 * An update on this: I tracked down the most recent official policy and updated the relevant paragraph in the article. MTSU prohibits all students from possession of alcohol on any area controlled by the university, but does allow exceptions for events, provided the organizers get prior approval from the university president. A PDF of the the official policy is cited as source. — Justinthrelkeld (talk) 13:12, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Fraternities and Sororities
I don't want to be stuck constantly editing the Greek life section, so I provided a place for all four types of fraternities: social, professional, honorary, and service. If your fraternity is at MTSU but not in the article, go ahead and slap it in wherever it applies. Be sure to link to the fraternity's Wiki article if one exists.

There's lots of Greek organizations at MTSU, and there are especially professional and honorary fraternities. Most other colleges don't list their professional fraternities for brevity and notability, so if it gets too large, I may just reduce it to social organizations to match other universities' Wiki articles. MTSUGoRaidersGo 03:54, 20 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Also to whomever keeps editing it, I would be more careful next time in your listings of organizations. You deleted several, and put one in the wrong category. You're going to make me poopyheaded if you don't stop it. MTSUGoRaidersGo 15:54, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Budget Crisis
Is this really notable? And should this really be on the university's Wiki page? It makes us look awful. It also seems to be heavily slighted towards the philosophy department, though many other programs are also meeting their demise as well. If this is a form of protest by trying to draw public light to this, I commend your efforts, but I think that is outside the scope of this article. The point of this article is to convey notable information about our university. For an example, please look at other more notable universities, and then compare it to ours. I'm going to edit it out but leave the text there by using comment brackets for now just because I don't want to be the jerk that deletes a whole paragraph. MTSUGoRaidersGo 15:54, 20 March 2009 (UTC)


 * As I was discussing with someone over at the UTK article, Wikipedia articles such as these shouldn't focus on current events when they have such a long history...one hundred years in MTSU's case, two hundred for UTK. Feel free to remove that section, though if you can find a way to weave some of its content in elsewhere, that would be fine. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 19:47, 20 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep the section: I believe that at this PRESENT time the section should remain as it is, unchanged. (At least until the President's final decision is made..) The purpose of this section is to outline changes that have just begun but will change the shape of the university and its colleges in the very near future! Obviously the relevance is obvious; nonetheless, I agree that it may appear to show an emphasis on a certain department's termination, BUT it is fact and that single department alone is taking the fall- THAT should be noted. This act will reshape the university and marks the end of notable period in MTSU's history. --- In the future I imagine this section will be converted over to something along the lines of 'Restructuring of the Colleges', but now is not the time or place. - I've reinstated the section for now unless better reasons are presented. Please keep in mind, we can't lean towards removing a section just because it makes a University "look awful" :) (Should we remove McPhee's love affair from his article because it makes him look awful? I think not!) - Riwc5s2 March 21, 2009 2:18am (Central) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Riwc5s2 (talk • contribs) 07:23, 21 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I am the same boat as you, as are most students: these budget cuts blow, and I don't want them either. As a graduating senior, I worry about the solvency of my degree from MTSU. Such changes to the university could possibly lower its status, possibly to the point of the university losing accreditation. Because this subject is so current and subject to change though, I feel like we should leave this section out until permanent decisions are made.  In addition, philosophy is not the only major or department "taking the fall," so to speak.  Seven are up for consolidation/merging, 11 are under further review (including Philosophy and Environmental Science & Technology), and 23 are up for total elimination.  As to the "looking awful" comments, I mean that statement from a PR perspective.  I spent many hours editing this page in order to bring a better image to the university, because frankly it reflected poorly on us beforehand.  (And why the school doesn't hire someone to maintain this page is beyond me.)  I am not saying we should suppress reporting the facts, however, it is in the best interest of the image of MTSU (and ultimately you, since you willingly pay to receive education here) to report facts in such a manner to minimize negative images of the college.  So, for now, let's compromise so we won't get stuck in a revert war: I will leave this section while making some small edits, and place it in a position more congruent with the rest of the article. Peace. Love. Happiness. MTSUGoRaidersGo 07:53, 21 March 2009 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by MTSUGoRaidersGo (talk • contribs)


 * At least the proposed cuts aren't quite as bad as originally feared. I'm rather annoyed that Astronomy is in the crosshairs, but at least Physics seems safe. Not that there is much work being done, given the antiquity of Wiser-Patton building. Anyway, my concern, as I stated above, was that this business feels more "newsy" than encyclopedic, and considering the age of the university, I simply think that the article should reflect much more broad topics than current events like this. I'm sure this isn't the first time the university has faced financial problems...just the first since Wikipedia came about. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 10:20, 21 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Agreed. I was trying to quell any possible revert wars. I really do not like this section. MTSUGoRaidersGo 23:35, 23 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MTSUGoRaidersGo (talk • contribs)

Why the hell would you take out important information just because you don't like it. Regardless of whether you like it, its all information and that is what encyclopedias are for. They aren't for adverising a school. You all are robbing the supporters and the readers of this university of legitimate information by being so biased. I guess if we did things your way of just plucking information out that doesn't look nice, Germany shouldn't even have a section on its third reich "(at least until the president's final decision is made)" and and I quess the whole article about the war on terrorism shouldn't even exist because its not even history anyway, according to you all. And don't even think about saying that this info is not significant enough becuase if you feel like removing it because "it makes you look awful" it is significant information. You don't have to have a whole section. It could be just a few words because it is significant in the history of the school, but the words budget or endowment arent even in the article like money isn't even important. There is not even one single little ole bitty dollar sign in the entire article. I guess thats the attitude and the quality of education you get coming from a publicly assisted school. Somewhere in the discussion page you wanted the article article to look like the articles of other universities, but how many other universities completly avoid the topic of funds. You all sound like politicians trying to make yourselves look better on an encyclopedia page by deleting your controversy sections! How low down can you get? Thangfries 01:23, 9 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Having detailed budget information like this is giving undue weight to the issue. Why do you consider the event so important in the history of the university...do you have any evidence of this being unique? The school has never cut their budget in the past? Also, your comparison to Germany's Third Reich is completely off base, considering World War II is one of the biggest events of the 20th century. You also assume the editors who oppose adding this have a vested interest in keeping it out...since you are editing from an MTSU IP address, should I assume you have a vested interest in keeping it in for some reason? Please don't make unfounded accusations in the future. — Huntster (t @ c) 01:55, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Wrong Link
The link to Hillary Scott from Lady Antebellum is actually directed to a a porn star of the same name. This should probably be changed to refelct the appropriate Hillary Scott. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.193.216.80 (talk) 19:38, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Addition needed to history section
I understand that the president of MTSU during the 1990s tried to change the name of the school to increase its appeal beyond that of a regional university, but that the powers that be (state legislators from Knoxville and Memphis) blocked the move. What name did he want, and can anyone from the area or knowledgeable on the subject add something to the history section about this? HuskyHuskie (talk) 04:13, 26 October 2011 (UTC)


 * The idea was to change the name to University of Middle Tennessee. The athletics department, for example, changed their logos to the current "MT" design to ease any transition. From what I understand, the alumni lobbied to stop any name change, an effort that continues to this day. I've never seen an official statement (or even press) about this situation; it tends to be a word-of-mouth thing. I think it would be a great move that would inspire the idea that MTSU is more than just a low-end state school. — Huntster (t @ c) 06:55, 26 October 2011 (UTC)


 * The alumni? Maybe. But they weathered the earlier name changes without complaint. In the version of the story I heard, TSU was the main source of opposition. I agree (with Husky) that Memphis and UT were also not too happy. And I agree with you Huntster that UMT, even though it sounds like "You Empty", would be a better name. --Anthon.Eff (talk) 01:35, 27 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Interesting stuff, both of you. I'm more convinced than yesterday that this warrants inclusion somewhere in the article.  I know nothing of Tennessee (other than it seems to be the southernmost location I can successfully hunt down a bag of White Castles), so I hope someone else with access to the facts can add this material.HuskyHuskie (talk) 04:09, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Inaccurate info?
Stumbled across this on MTSU's Facebook page today: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150469757871235&set=a.446075916234.248276.13178216234&type=1&theater

It's a 1936 aerial photo of the MTSU Campus. Quote MTSU:

"This photo seems to be evidence that Wikipedia is incorrect on some of Floyd Stadium's history. Horace Jones Field did open on October 14, 1933 with a scoreless tie against Jacksonville State Teachers College. However, as this photo demonstrates the field had portable bleachers on the West side rather than stands on both sides of a track as Wikipedia states. The track and concrete grandstands were added in 1940. Here's a much more thorough history of Floyd Stadium and Blue Raider football http://www.goblueraiders.com/content.cfm/id/19703"

Just figured I'd post this here in hopes someone would update the article, because I'm a novice when it comes to editing Wiki articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.180.233.59 (talk) 00:21, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

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