Talk:Middletown, New York/Archives/2015

Recent deletion of information
, could you please discuss the changes you wish to make, providing (as per WP:BURDEN) adequate and reliable sources which back up your edit? Thank you - SchroCat (talk) 08:57, 13 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't see what the problem is this time. The sources I provided are the federal government, specifically the Office of Management and Budget, whose job is to delineate MSAs.  Plain and simple, the Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown MSA was deleted by OMB in February 2013, and was absorbed into the New York City MSA (and split up between two Metropolitan Divisions).(Sources provided in the last revision: OMB Bulletin on Current MSA Definitions, p. 42, summary of the OMB's changes from the FHFA, p. 25). I'm honestly not sure what other explanation could be required here - the OMB is the final authority on MSAs, and is accepted throughout Wikipedia as WP:RS, especially with respect to MSAs.
 * I can understand that my changes were deleted the first time because I had left them unsourced in haste, but I'm not sure why they were reverted this time - can you provide an explanation as to why the citations provided do not satisfy WP:BURDEN, please? Thanks.  Vmanjr (talk) 13:13, 13 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, your first change, simply deleting references and leaving an unreferenced statement, appeared to be a vandal edit. Then, in your second attempt to make the change, you left an orphaned reference, so it still appeared that you did not know what you were doing. If you wish your edits to be taken seriously, please be more careful -- do not delete references, for example, until you have copied the ones that have a "ref name" and moved each such reference lower down to the next place where it is used.  I've restored your edits and cleaned up the census ref. -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:24, 13 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I can understand that - I missed the fact that the MSA cite in this article was the first usage of GR2. My fault for trying to edit several pages within a short span.  That said, before the second revert was done, a bot had already fixed the GR2 reference.  Not justifying my haste at all, but after the bot's fix, there really wasn't any sound reason for a revert, especially on the grounds of WP:BURDEN.  In any case, I'll be sure not to orphan named references in the future. Vmanjr (talk) 16:46, 13 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the explanation, and thanks for updating this aspect of the article, together with the essential references. All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:03, 13 February 2015 (UTC)