Talk:Midge Ure

SNP
Midge Ure has announced he's backing the SNP in the Scottish elections this year (http://www2.snp.org/midge_ure_backs_alex_salmond_and_headlines_snp_concert). Can someone who knows how to add references put this in?

Novello Awards
"He twice received an Ivor Novello Award with Geldof for co-writing "Do They Know It's Christmas?" " That makes no sense at all. Did he receive TWO Novello Awards for ONE SONG? This needs to be clarified. It should be stated what year(s) he won the award or awards, and what those awards were for. Does he SHARE the award with Geldof? Does he share one and have one for himself? The article needs (1) the correct information (2) a citation for that information and (3) the information to be expressed clearly and succinctly. Jdubowsky (talk) 10:14, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * See http://www.ascap.org/eventsawards/awards/ivors/2005/ - "Do They Know It’s Christmas?" won the second award in 2005 for the Band Aid 20 recording. Lastcent (talk) 22:35, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Whoa dude! Check out that page! It lists nominees AND winners. The song only won once. Asterisk indicates winner. The rest are nominees. Going to fix / update the page now. Thanks for the link. Jdubowsky (talk) 07:37, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

I am sensing there is some animosity between Geldof and Ure, based on some of the text in the main article. Can we please get sources on this, and what is the basis for the animosity? Is this an artistic, business, or personal difference? Is it public or verifiable enough to warrant inclusion in an article on a living person? If so, can we flesh it out and have sources and references? Thanks!Jdubowsky 09:56, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

That's the worst picture of Midge I've ever seen. He's a handsome guy, but here he looks like a used car salesman.128.147.38.10 05:01, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Sources, please. Ultravox, Visage, and so on are not obscure bands. There are decades of clippings, reviews, as well as books published on these bands and the New Wave and New Romantic movements as well. Jdubowsky 03:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Honorary Degrees
wow. what did midge get those degrees for? how did you hear about this? could you please elaborate on the degrees... generally honorary doctorates are awarded for some kind of stated reason; it would be interesting and culturally significant to list the reasons here. was it for the charity work? The use of borrowed chords in pop music? Also, it would be super great if you could cite your sources or references. If you don't know how to cite them, just slam them right into the text of the article. Someone will figure out how to sort them out and make them follow wiki style. The sources can be websites or newspapers (please add the date of publication and page #) or a magazine, anything. It's really cool to have sources. Thanks for your work on the Midge Ure article! Jdubowsky 09:05, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Chronology
Somebody needs to straighten this out. Visage started before he joined Ultravox - and is, in fact, how he came into contact with them (via Billy Currie) to begin with. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.130.102.236 (talk • contribs).

More subtitles
Hi, I'm adding more subtitles and information (bands like Slik and Rich Kids). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.230.125.214 (talk) 05:41, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Minor Discography detail
A very minor point, but regarding the entry - "Intimate Moments: April 12th - 22nd 2002 - (2002, Environment Records, ENV03) - Live album. Released exclusively via the web site." - Midge also (personally) sold this album directly to the audience at the end of (later) gigs on this solo tour, which is how I acquired my copy. I imagine the same may apply to "Intimate Moments 2 . . .". 87.81.230.195 (talk) 14:29, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Contradiction over Ultravox new recordings
"In late 2010 Ultravox started working (sic) their sixth album fronted by Ure."

yet later it also says: "Ultravox briefly reformed in 2009 and undertook a successful tour (as well as appearing at the Isle of Wight 2009 Festival) to celebrate, in their own words, the "anniversary of their classic line-up". There are, however, no plans for new recordings as Ure stated in a BBC interview in April 2009, "we are not trying to get our youth back, nor the hair that's fallen off already". I've removed the misleading contradictory statement as his official site confirms new material being recorded.

Rrose Selavy (talk) 23:48, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

New Romantic
"New Romantic" is not a style of music, it was a fashion movement that developed in the late 1970s in London nightclubs such as Billy's and The Blitz (both run by Steve Strange at one time). New Romantics were defined by make-up, eccentric hairstyles and classical 18th and 19th century clothing (the term comes from the Romantic period of European history). Many music acts adopted the look (even Bowie in his "Ashes to Ashes" video) but it isn't a style of music. Many people confuse it with synthpop. 88.104.30.107 (talk) 01:13, 15 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I realize that you're technically correct, but we also call things what they are commonly known as on Wikipedia, and even during the 80's the media was calling it New Romantic Music/Musicians/Songs/etc. There's a good likelihood that your edit will be reverted by another editor. If so, please don't take personal offense, as this is part of the 'democratic' process at Wikipedia. Discussing it here is good start.


 * Would you consider signing up for an account? It looks like your IP address keeps changing, making it difficult to communicate with you effectively. Cheers – MrX 01:23, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello again. It is such a widely held misbelief that the New Romantic movement was a style of music as a lot of people just think that if any act used synths and wore make-up then they were automatically new romantics. Boy George was actually one of the more famous new romantics in the early 1980s, but he was never an electro artist (Culture Club tended to steer towards "white reggae" when they first arrived). By the same token, not all artists who wear make-up and use synths are new romantics (Gary Numan for example). It's actually questionable as to whether Midge Ure was at all, although he was very involved in the Blitz scene which is how he came to form Visage with Steve Strange and Billy Currie. I can't say I've ever seen Ure in new romantic gear though. 88.104.30.107 (talk) 01:27, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
 * True. I remember these same debates 30+ years ago. For a real treat, compare and contrast new wave, punk, hardcore, synthpop, etc.
 * It's all good. – MrX 01:37, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Ugghhhh....the term "new wave" just came to mean anything around that time. When I first heard it used in the mid 1970s, it was used to describe bands like The Jam. By the late 70s it was used to describe Blondie, Lene Lovich and Numan. It got even broader by the 80s and almost everything was thrown in, though it seemed to become more of an American term by then. Perhaps in its purest definition, "new wave" would probably just be an umbrella term for anything new from 1977 onwards since I can't think that The Jam and The Human League had much in common musically, even though they were both referred to as new wave. Remember when genres were just genres and not elaborate concepts? Simpler times. 88.104.30.107 (talk) 02:01, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed. – MrX 02:28, 15 September 2012 (UTC)


 * http://www.allmusic.com/style/new-romantic-ma0000002748 describes it as a music genre. "The New Romantics were a peculiar subgenre of new wave." I also found this source and many more: http://www.pure80spop.co.uk/romantics.htm Please see here under Ultravox: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=GJNXLSBlL7IC&pg=PT484&lpg=PT484&dq=new+romantic+music&source=bl&ots=R80yBauCoi&sig=KLDpiascrCBdNJ2JjeiKRwaYBtk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=TURUUKvcAcbG0QXljYCwAQ&ved=0CEMQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=new%20romantic%20music&f=false Regards, George Custer&#39;s Sabre (talk) 09:05, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The AllMusic source also states it was defined by "....Wearing heavy makeup and dressed in stylish clothing". Midge Ure has never worn heavy make-up, even in 1980. The only band it directly namechecks in the article is Duran Duran. It also suggests artists such as Tears For Fears, OMD and Jimmy Somerville were New Romantics (by the albums in its list) which proves how self-contradictory and completely inaccurate that article is. When did you ever see any of these artists wear make-up? Again, this is sloppily throwing every British early 80s band that ever used synths into the pot and simply labelling them as New Romantics when they aren't. The other source you cite (Pure Pop 80s) specifies New Romanticism as a "description of a specific time rather than a sound or style" which again suggests it is not a musical genre. The book source you also linked to (All Music Guide To Electronica) is filled with inaccuracies, which suggests that isn't a valid source for anything either (it says "Sleepwalk" reached no.2, it says Quartet was released in 1983, states the band were called "U-Vox" in the 1990s, etc). All of this is factually inaccurate and sloppily written by someone who obviously knows little about the subject. Early Duran, Spandau, Boy George and Steve Strange are typical examples of New Romantics, which you can clearly see in their visual appearance at the time. It isn't a style of music. 88.110.249.61 (talk) 11:21, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Deletion of "Breathe"
The explanation for the deletion of Breathe_(Midge_Ure_album) reads kinda strange! Can someone check that out? Thx, 85.179.11.188 (talk) 11:47, 19 August 2013 (UTC)Arnd
 * I believe it was speedy-deleted as per WP:CSD. I don't see a problem in re-creating it. Breathe didn't chart in the UK (OCC gives only up to 75 positions) or US; but it peaked at #22 in Switzerland and #10 in Austria. It also included the single "Breathe" which had some success. --Sk4170 (talk) 13:13, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Genres
I've reduced the number of genres in the info box to the five he would principally be associated with. Five seems sufficient since even David Bowie only has five and I'm sure Midge would be the first to admit he hasn't covered more musical ground than David Bowie. Rodericksilly (talk) 02:02, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

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1980 or 1981
This article gives the date for "Vienna" as 1980, but both the article on Ultravox and the article on Vienna (Ultravox song) give the date of this hit as 1981. Vorbee (talk) 19:55, 19 April 2018 (UTC)